Certainly no harm is done to anyone in the Mormon sealing. At the very least, we should be grateful for all the information they have gathered and made available to all who seek it. Grace owlandme@msn.com

Hi Folks, I have bought and used Broderbund products many times and I was grateful to get the information. I use FTM for my data base. However, I am a little hard headed when it comes to "giving" the fruits of my hard work to a company who then turns around and sells that same information for a profit. I will gladly and readily share it, for free---do not even charge copying or postage fee. Paradoxical to say the least! However, when a company advertises a product, I make the free choice to buy. I do resent Broderbund not paying for information or at least offering a gift certificate as a small compensation for work done. I commend their product and marvel at their ingeniousness in producing the program which makes the end-product possible. So, what do I do about having information which could be made available to others? I make a copy of my family group pages, the notes I've gathered, and an alphabetical index of the names within the group sheets; put it into a binder; and, donate it to my local library's genealogical section. I also donate a copy to libraries in the area from which my ancestors migrated as there may be relatives of sibling ancestors still living in the area. This costs very little and I am able to share with a large group of people. It may not have the "global" effect of publishing with Broderbund, but it serves the same purpose---sharing with others. Sometimes it has a residual effect of catching the attention of a "satellite" family and I get a whole wealth of information I never knew existed because I did not know the married name of a relative. Just my two cents worth. LCranston Remember: Today is the Future of your Ancestors and the Past of your Decendants.

Information submitted to the Ancestral File is added to that file for anyone to use, no LDS temple ordinances are done for anyone submitted that way. It is a tool for bringing together those researching the same lines. Temple work is only done on files submitted to the Church by a totally different method. ---------- From: marcia collins[SMTP:mcollins@sfths.sft434.k12.ks.us] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 6:04 PM To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Ancestral File (was: Re: FTM vs. Copyright) Well folks, at the risk of asking a dumb question, IF you submit a GEDCOM to LDS, Does this, or does this not then allow for them to be baptized or sealed? into the Mormon church. now, the reason I ask this is..I found an ancestral file via the LSD church. There is a date of Baptism into the Church, and the name of the submitted. I have made contact with the submittor, she is NOT Mormon, and had no idea how the sealed, baptized thing happened. ( the ancestor was a Baptist minister) While I am not unduly upset by this, and I do not want this to be a religious debate, the question remains? Who decides when or if a group of ancestors become sealed into the Mormon Church? Marcia -----Original Message----- From: Dolly Ziegler <dsz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 9:35 AM Subject: Ancestral File (was: Re: FTM vs. Copyright) >Hello to Linda and the list. Linda, you have hit a hot button with me. >Allow me to orate from the soapbox for a minute. I do not like the idea >of turning my research over to a company that is going to package it and >sell it. ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== Family Workings: http://www.familyworkings.com A site to help researchers break through those brickwalls.  Lots of links, subcatagorized, ancestor queries, tips, and cemetary research.  Looking for research donations of: Cemetaries, obits, volunteer researchers, and anything else that may be of interest to other researchers.  Submit links, ancestor queries and tips. Check it out

I have read all the many responses on this question also. I triled to personally thank each and every one who did - but may have missed some with this too. I really wanted to thank Kay Pacheco for forwarding my message to the Texahoma list for help. Many of those responses helped a great deal. Thank you all so very much. By way of update: I tried the 1910 Census Soundex already - with no luck. I need to check the 1900. Grandpa would not be on there - but maybe his parents would be. I contacted the Western Heritage Ranch Museum and they told me that all the brands are registered by county - there is no state agency which keeps a list of all of them. There may be a listing for Big O in many - or all - of the counties in Texas. The person at the Museum I spoke with took my name and telephone number and stated that if he came across any information in the normal course of his research - he would let me know. I also contacted the Department of Agriculture and they verified that counties are the ones who keep brand registers. The person I spoke with here said maybe Bigo meant Odessa - well maybe - no way to know for sure. I do not have a birth or death certificate for him. The record I have is documents from the Washington State Department of Corrections. Something just struck me. I will contact the County in which he was arrested and see if they can provide me with a copy of his case. Maybe this has more information. I do not believe he died in Texas and anyway - do not have a death date for him. I tried to search for a SS# - no luck. Thank you all so very much. Please keep me in mind should you have any other insights. I will keep you all updated. Deborah Donegan info@buyersmarketplace.com

I have read all the many messages sent to me in response to my post on this subject and I am very appreciative. I have tried to respond personally to each and every one of you - but may have missed some - so I wanted to thank you all here. I will try to contact NARA and the National Personnel Records Center to try to obtain more information regarding my grandfather. Thank you so much for all your help. Deborah Donegan info@buyersmarketplace.com

yes the newsgroups will try to send 5 times if box is full they unsub you thats why it is good idea to unsubscribe before you go away for a week or so and then re subscribe when you return  it helps them as well as you .  I sub to at least 50 of them and takes long time to sub and unsub but its worth it. barb

I don't like to keep info in my e-mail.  It only makes my e-mail too cumbersome. So,  if I have info in e-mail or mailing list, from web page or whatever, I use my edit feature and copy to the notebook or word pad ( if larger).  Then I go to my Genealogy folder and open the appropriate folder and paste.  This allows all my genealogy to be together. Within the large Genealogy folder, I have many folders.  Each family has a folder for info I am pretty certain about.  I have a Research folder  within each family for things I need to look into later. I also use Legacy to keep all my certain info together.  Each person has an info part that allows me to tell a story about a certain highlight of their life. I also have a folder that is for urls to look into later.  I use the same notebook feature to copy and paste.  Anytime I am searching or reading my mail, I open the notebook for easy access.  I just keep it minimized at the bottom of the screen.  That way I don't have to rely on my writing it down. If I want to go to it, I copy it and paste it in the web search area. I do house clean occasionally by deleting info in the folders if it is in Legacy. Paperwork is kept in a file cabinet.  It is organized like the computer for easy finding. Hope this helps. Karen Layus

This is the url for the cookbook: http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/7186/order.html <http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/7186/order.html> According to the site, they will ship mid-July.... Pattie -----Original Message----- From: Pam Villanueva [SMTP:pammijo@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 11:36 PM To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Cookbook Yes, they are selling a second edition. I think if you visit www.ancestry.com (I hope this is the right place... I definitely read about it this week) and read the newsletters that have been posted over the past week, it'll tell you about it and I think it also explains when the first edition will be shipped. --Pam in CA >Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:34:49 -0400 >From: Elaine Maddox <elainetm@worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: elainetm@worldnet.att.net >Subject: Re: Cookbook >To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > >I've read that they are already selling a second Homespun cookbook. Whether >this information is listed at the rootsweb site, I don't know. Hopefully, >someone knows. Good luck. > >Elaine > >marcia collins wrote: > >> hope not, I ordered one too. I did write to the list that advertised it, >> they said it would mail mid June. I am sure it will. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SKirby6119@aol.com <SKirby6119@aol.com> >> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 2:59 PM >> Subject: Cookbook >> >> >Date: 6/18/98 >> >From: Skirby6119@aol.com >> > >> >Does anyone recall back in February or March seeing a note about the >> "Homespun >> >Cookbook" which was being sold to assist one of the gen webs? I forgot to >> >save the address and I have not received the book yet? I am thinking it >> was >> >supposed to come out about now. Have I been had? >> > > > > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== Don't forget to stop by our business web page for FREE genealogy forms and charts! We are adding more all the time!!!! http://www.genrecords.com

At 12:17 AM 6/19/98 -0500, Medea1212@aol.com wrote: >I had to be off line a couple of days and when I returned my mail box was >full.  Since that time, I have not gotten any mail from the several lists I am >a subscriber to.  Do I need to re-subscribe?? > >Jeanette > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: >unsubscribe >To: >GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work! > > > > > Hi Jeanette, My guess would be yes. Most lists will attempt to send you mail 3 times and if it gets returned, the autorobot will remove you from that list. Thanks, Peggy Perry pegmar@mhtc.net Moderator for The Obituary Daily Times the email newspaper of obituaries from around the world! To subscribe: send a message to: GEN-OBIT-Request@rootsweb.com with the message: subscribe Visit our searchable web page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~obituary WI GenWeb coordinator for Iowa County - visit us at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiiowa President - Iowa County Wisconsin Genealogical Society http://www.friendsnfamily.net/wiiowagensoc/index.html Co-Owner of the GENMSC mailing list. To subscribe: send a message to: GENMSC-L-request@rootsweb.com with the message: subscribe

Dear George and List readers... One of the neat features that I really enjoy as a resource is the following address: http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html The USGS maintains this database of all the places in our country and some of their alternate names. So if you had Johnson Township back in the early 1800's it might now be Grant City or something like that. So I have used this service, and it will lead you to the townships. Remember though, that it shows what the place is called and where it is located NOW. You might need to check other sources to find out where it was at the time you are looking for. So far it has really worked well for me. --- Terry This E-Mail from Terry D. Smith 19 June 1998 E-Mail: tsmith@cleanup.net Personal Home page: http://www.cleanup.net/~tsmith/smith.html To snail.mail me use: 1978 Miner Way, Las Vegas, Nevada 89104-5214

There's a web site called Family Tree Climbers, which is trying to put up a site containing peoples' information where it can be gotten free. You can submit GEDCOMs, send obituaries from your local paper, etc, and they put it on the site. I think its intention was to avoid the part about having to pay for research that was done, for those who want to donate and share. The e-mail address is admin@familytreeclimbers.com I don't recall the url right now, sorry. Francesca Sutton

Because of several requests, I am pasting in a snip from the newsletter. I imagine a subscription may be had by writing the same address that is indicated for unsubscribing. Instead, use the word "subscribe." ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative Weekly News Vol. 1, No. 1, 17 June 1998 Copyright (c) 1998 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative Editors: Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG ***************************************************************** This is the premier issue of the RootsWeb Review, a weekly e-zine with news about RootsWeb happenings, new mailing lists and Web sites, a continuing tutorial on using RootsWeb's resources, monthly statistics, news from major hosted activities such as USGenWeb, USGenWeb Archives, WorldGenWeb, and Cyndi's List, schedules for IIGS/RootsWeb IRC, and other information of interest to RootsWeb users and the genealogical community. The initial list of subscribers consists of those we know have used RootsWeb or are subscribers to "Missing Links," which has just moved to RootsWeb. To continue to receive RootsWeb Review, do nothing. However, if you would prefer not to receive future issues of RootsWeb Review, just send a message to RootsWeb-Review-L-request@rootsweb.com and put the word "unsubscribe" (omit the quotation marks) in the subject line and in the body of the message. Please remember to turn off your signature file before sending the message.

Does anyone know address to subscribe to this much discussed list. Making me curious, too. Glenda in Memphis =================snip >A most reputable group. You must already subscribe to some of their links to have gotten this. Myra is the genealogy columnist >for the LOS ANGELES TIMES, and she also writes an excellent column for Ancestry.com, and heads one of their chat groups too. I >have learned a lot from her. Their genealogy chat groups are excellent. > >Elizabeth > >theshadow wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> Did anyone else get this msg. along with a 10 pg. block of info >> from these folks? I know I could just "unsubscribe", but am leery of >> sending out my address to just anyone who somehow or another has >> access to my address and appears to be using it to promote information >> I may or may not want. This is quite a bit of info generated into >> mailboxes without prior approval of the recipents---and, you have to >> "unsubscribe". If you do nothing, you will continue to receive this >> info. Not sure I like this, but haven't quite decided why not yet. >> What's your opinion? >> LCranston >> >> ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative Weekly News >> Vol. 1, No. 1, 17 June 1998 >> Copyright (c) 1998 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative >> >> Editors: Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG >> >> This is the premier issue of the RootsWeb Review, a weekly e-zine >> with news about RootsWeb happenings, new mailing lists and Web >> sites, a continuing tutorial on using RootsWeb's resources, >> monthly statistics, news from major hosted activities such as >> USGenWeb, USGenWeb Archives, WorldGenWeb, and Cyndi's List, >> schedules for IIGS/RootsWeb IRC, and other information of >> interest to RootsWeb users and the genealogical community. >> >> The initial list of subscribers consists of those we know have >> used RootsWeb or are subscribers to "Missing Links," which has >> just moved to RootsWeb. To continue to receive RootsWeb Review, >> do nothing. However, if you would prefer not to receive future >> issues of RootsWeb Review, just send a message to >> >> RootsWeb-Review-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >> and put the word "unsubscribe" (omit the quotation marks) in the >> subject line and in the body of the message. Please remember to >> turn off your signature file before sending the message. >> >> ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >> Are you having trouble unsubscribing to the list? You can subscribe and unsubscribe to the lists we own from our web page at: >> http://www.genrecords.com > > > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: >unsubscribe >To: >GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work! > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear List readers... GenServ is a commercial service. We do charge for memberships as muchas as $12 a year or $1 a month. For seniors it is .50 Cents a month. However, and here is what we believe is the "tip" portion of our service. We have many free services on GenServ. Let's say that you are searching, have run up against brick walls, and want to see if GenServ might be a possible resource for you. Our Free GenCount service would allow users to query the system to see if their particular and unique surname is represented. So far, 10,000 people have loaded their various databases, and found tons of information. Example: When I started out, I had about 6000 to 10,000 records in my database. Using the resources of the Internet along with GenServ, my database is now over 122,000 records strong, and I have enough information from my contacts to keep me busy for the foreseeable future. So when I recommend or give the group "A tip" regarding GenServ I do so because it works. Let's say that after checking GenCount, you find ONE particular surname that you are excited about. You can then use the ONE-TIME GenSample report to get a listing of that surname. It includes everything that normal users get that evidence what we have on the system. Members and non-members would get the same report. When still unsure about the look and feel of GenServ, people have the chance now to use the Free Demo System at http://demo.genserv.com. Because I have used the system, and found it most useful, I have volunteered my time to seeing that it continues to be a success. Doing so serves me and everyone! All of these services are FREE!! Totally! If others would like to offer their services or offerings FREE to the readers at Gen-Tips, I think I would love to see them. All of us need help and ANY assistance is always appreciated. I sincerely hope that you use any resource that will help you achieve your research goals. GenServ for me has been a GREAT resource, and the contacts made there have helped me keep from re-creating the research wheel. I've saved thousands, and that is a TIP worth knowing about... Best wishes --- Terry D. Smith GenServ User Assistance tsmith@cleanup.net E - Mail from Terry D. Smith 19 June, 1998 Personal Genealogical Home Page: http://www.cleanup.net/~tsmith/smith.html GenServ "Genealogical Server" a service for making GEDCOM data available. OVER --> 13,405,000 names in 10,027+ GEDCOMs with 325,000 different surnames GenServ Your one-stop resource for genealogical connections. Try GenCount today. Contact our homepage for details at the following URL http://www.genserv.com Try the new Demo System at http://demo.genserv.com

That sounds great for those in Ohio, but I live in Georgia and would not have access to the information.  I can think of a better solution: Every program I have tried allows me to select which fields of the data I would like to export and which ones NOT to export.  If when you submit information to FTW (for example), you only include names, dates and marriage dates as well as your name and contact information, you will allow others to find their trees and contact you for details.  If you find a program that makes information private for the living, you can include all your names and only the minimum data needed for someone to learn if your tree is the one they are looking for. By doing this, you protect your work from being "copyrighted" by someone else, and still allow it to be used by those you desire to have it.  Also, if you sell your work, you are not violating copyright because your data contains a different set of information. I hope this is helpful I am interested in hearing comments about my opinion. Buck -----Original Message----- From: MaisieAnn@aol.com <MaisieAnn@aol.com> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 8:17 PM Subject: SUBMITTING FAMILY RECORDS >In order to avoid problems with other people selling one's hard work on a >family history, perhaps it would be better to send copies to public libraries >or historical societies near the places your ancestors lived. There these >could be seen by interested folks but not sold.. For example, I know several >historical societies/libraries that have vertical files of family histories >and accept such donations as family group sheets. MaisieAnn@aol.com Hudson, >OH > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > > >

Need help, my website does not open up, have they changed the URL? Please help, joyce I have this one:<http://www.state.tn.us/sos/statelib/pubsvs/Vital3.htm>http://www.state. tn.us/sos/statelib/pubsvs/Vital3.htm

Several people have asked questions about the LDS genealogical files. If you submitt to the Ancestral Files, the information will not be used for the LDS ordinances.  That information is for general genealogical use only.  Only the files especially designated for Temple work will be used for that purpose.  Members and nonmembers contribute to both databases.  If anyone else wants anymore information you may e-mail me at mahavier@pan-tex.net. Cindy Hearn Mahavier

i HAVE ORDERED BY EMAIL THE FORMS AT LEAST THREE TIMES AND GET THEM WITHIN A WEEK. FASTER THAN SNAIL MAIL    SEND EMAIL TO INQUIRE@ARCH2.NARA.GOV     ORDER ABOUT 5 OF THE FORMS TO HAVE ON HAND REMEMBER WHEN YOU FINALLY GET THEM FILLED OUT TO WRITE ACROSS THE TOP OF THE FORM   'COMPLET FILES'   OTHERWISE THEY PICK THE PAGES THEY THINK YOU WANT. BARB

Are business ads like this supposed to be posted here? If so, can I advertise my genealogy related services here? I thought there are two other list servers for posting business ads, one for services over $15 and one for under $15. Buck -----Original Message----- From: Terry Smith <tsmith@cleanup.net> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 12:10 PM Subject: GenServ - 10,000 Databases & Growing >Dear List readers... > >Cliff and Ron just returned from a very successful tour of New Zealand and >Australia where they were able to demonstrate the usefulness of GenServ to >our friends "Down Under!"  Their enthusiasm for GenServ, along with your >ongoing support has helped us to reach a new mile stone.  Yep, we have >loaded our 10,000th database on GenServ pushing our overall count of names >to:  13,384,426 names. > >To make things even more interesting, we are getting lots of activity by >prospective members as they use our new Demo System.  This system >allows the inexperienced, the newbee as well as the seasoned to get the >look and feel of what GenServ is really all about.  Now, before you buy, >you can kick the tires, check under the hood, and take the system for a >test drive to make sure that your data is being used in a way that can help >everyone in the genealogical community.  You can test drive our Demo system >by aiming your browser to: <http://demo.genserv.com/>http://demo.genserv.com. > >Are you anxious to get started?  Want to upload that file swiftly and >accurately.  Well there are now two possibilites.  You can E-mail your file >to: gedcom@genserv.com using your attachment feature.  OR you can use our >new web site at: <http://www.genserv.com/gs3/upload.html>http://www.genserv.com/gs3/upload.ht ml.  Be sure to follow >the instructions completely to be certain your file uploads properly. > >Thousands are finding that the dynamics of GenServ make for a wonderful >resource that the above mile stone shows is a great boon to every >researcher.  We hope that you will come by our website and learn more about >all the features of GenServ...  Do it today! Our URL is: ><http://www.genserv.com/>http://www.genserv.com. >GenServ User Assistance >tsmith@cleanup.net > >E - Mail from Terry D. Smith 18 June, 1998 >Personal Genealogical Home Page: <http://www.cleanup.net/~tsmith/smith.html>http://www.cleanup.net/~tsmith/sm ith.html >GenServ "Genealogical Server" a service for making GEDCOM data available. >     OVER  -->  13,384,000 names in 10,011+ GEDCOMs with 325,000 different surnames >GenServ Your one-stop resource for genealogical connections.  Try GenCount today. >Contact our homepage for details at the following URL >                 <http://www.genserv.com/>http://www.genserv.com >Try the new Demo System at <http://demo.genserv.com/>http://demo.genserv.com > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: >unsubscribe >To: >GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I highly advise anyone to consult an attorney before releasing ANY rights to any of their work.  At the least, read the agreement and see what your rights are before deciding. I am not a lawyer but I will share my opinion. (not to be mistaken for legal advise) First I would read any agreement very carefully.  If I didn't understand a part of it I would not agree. I would guess that if you give up copyright rights to FTM, unless otherwise agreed, you would NOT be allowed to distribute copies of your work without FTM permission. I don't know about FTM, but I hear that if you submit work to the Mormon database you are allowed to distribute work you submitted for free, but you may not sell it. Either way, I would not agree to release ANY rights without understanding what I was doing.  That may mean getting a lawyer to interpret the agreement for me. Hope this helps Buck -----Original Message----- From: Linda <hill@ctelcom.net> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 9:59 AM Subject: FTM vs. Copyright >I would like my fellow genealogist advice.  I have FTM 4.0, I have >researched (8) brarnches of my family line, witch include a little over >6,000 names  and documents in my database.  As you know this is a lot of >time, work and expense. >My FTM program keeps asking me to submit my work.   However, I have noticed, >that if I do submit to them, they claim the copyright to what I submitted. >At this point I can't bring myself to give up the copyright to years of >expensive, hard work.  I fell like their going to put my work on a disk and >sell it to others.  When I would gladly give copies of my work to interested >parties. >Does it mean that my work is no longer mine? >Am I missing the point? >Linda hill@ctelcom.net > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > > >