HellO all, I have found several BUSSELL names on the SS index that I am interested in. I have never sent for these before. Can you tell me what I can reasonably expect from them in terms of information, and what is the cost of these applications? I have wasted SO much on things that were not what I had expected, that I am a wee bit gun shy at the moment. thank you all Marcia Moore Collins

Topic on #GenealogyForum on IRC for Monday, June 22 at 8 PM Eastern Time USA is: "Louisiana-Cajun Ancestry I THINK the Website move is complete! Was not UNLIKE moving a HOUSE! We STILL don't have page counters yet, 'cause my ignorance is showing! (AND my 'picky-ness') New Web URL is: http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm New INBOUND Email is: gen-4m@rare.on.ca New OUTBOUND has not been established yet. When you have a few moments to spare, (lucky you, if you DO have) please, browse around the website and let me know if you find files that don't load properly. Everything loads 'OK' here, but, "who knows? it could be a mirage! And, PLEASE, if any of you know how to set up at TEXT counter on CGI, I could REALLY use some instructions. Just want to have a "TINY" text line that says something like: "You are the 20,000th Visitor since Nov. 7 1998." Suggestions for further modifications invited. Regards, tex^mom >From #GenealogyForum IRC Channel on Afternet: server irc.afternet.org WE HAVE A NEW HOME ON THE WEB! Check it out if you: are looking for your ancestors OR need Simple instructions for joining us. Topical discussions start again in September! http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm NEW Email is gen-4m@rare.on.ca

Sorry, previous message should have said HELLO ALL! That's spell check for you. Marcia

Hell ALL, I have downloaded a GEDCOM, (I thot) file from Ancestry . I use Family treemaker 4.4 I CANNOT get the file open to vied it to save my soul!!! Please, send help! Marcia

In a message dated 98-06-21 11:43:48 EDT, George Basden says: << Easy, just look at the top of the form and it will say "Report of Separtion or Discharge from Active Duty. The number should be at the bottom left hand corner of the page. >> To add to George's comments, this form can be and often is recorded, in Ohio, in the County Recorder's Office. I don't know if this is true in other states. This is done to prevent losing the form since it is used as proof of military service in order to obtain veteran's benefits.

Hi Mary: I am going to cc the GenTips also as my answer may help someone else out. > I looked at the types of forms I have and not one of them says DD 214. They > are: > > Separation Qualification Record - at bottom of form it has: Form no.100 - 15 > July 1944 > At top: THIS FORM WILL NOT BE REPLACED IF LOST OR SOLD. SAVE IT. > next one: > Enlisted Record and Report of Separation and Honorable Discharge: Form 53 - > 55, > 1 November 1944 One thing I had forgotten to mention and I apologize for it, the DD 214 has not always been around. I believe it was created sometime late WWII or after it. Prior to that it was another form that looked similar but had a different number. > Now, where is the type of form no. DD 214 listed? AT top or bottom? Maybe I > don't have the correct one? Easy, just look at the top of the form and it will say "Report of Separtion or Discharge from Active Duty. The number should be at the bottom left hand corner of the page. > Also, could you tell me the date for the draft for WW2? I thought Dad was > drafted, but maybe he chose to sign up as it has 25 Feb 1941 as inducted? Good question which unfortunately I cannot answer. However, keeping in mind the War didn't start for us until Dec 7, 1941 (Pearl Harbor) he may have enlisted then back in Feb 1941. > You mentioned the cost of the hearing aid from your own pocket. Hope you > don't think I am too nosy, but why wouldn't you soldiers want to use your > benefits? Dad acted like he thought it was a type of charity, but I feel like > he and the others gave up the best years of their lives to fight for this > country and for freedom from persecution. He was in perfect health when he > joined up and went thru those years of pure hell (pardon me)... You Dad's opinion is why some of us did't use all the benefits. I did use part of my GI Bill for schooling and to buy a home and that's about it. As fas as the hearing aid goes, since I didn't press the issue when I left the service, the hearing loss was not sent before a medical board. Now, I would have to go back to the VA and press it and have it sent to a medical board. Fortunately, I requested copies of my audiogram from when I went into the service and when I left and it definitely shows a distinct loss. So if I ever decide to press it, I have the paperwork to do so, but it's not likely that I will. A lot of veterans I know feel the only thing they rightfully should be given is a piece of ground and a flag for when that day comes to join the High Commander of us all. George gebasden@worldnet.att.net http://www.basden.com >

One of the easiest ways to do land records is at the LDS Family History center. Check to see if they have your county, order the index, then the deed book in question. Once the land passed from the hands of the government to private hands, all transactions would have been at the county level. Karen

I had to go find it! There is much more information than I have posted here. I recommend that those who are searching for records take a look at the site. http://www.nara.gov/regional/nprcinfo.html =========================== The National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) is part of NARA's regional records services facilities. The NPRC was established in 1966 when the St. Louis Federal Records Center and the Military Personnel Records Center merged. * * * On July 12, 1973, a disastrous fire on the sixth floor at 9700 Page Avenue destroyed nearly all of the records pertaining to persons discharged from the Army before 1960 and about two-thirds of the records pertaining to persons discharged from the Air Force before 1964. Alternate sources are used to resolve reference problems caused by the fire. On June 5, 1967, the Freedom of Information Act was enacted into law to prevent the unwarranted invasion of personal privacy. This law and the Privacy Act of 1974, as well as directives from the Department of Defense and other federal agencies, govern the release of information from records in the physical custody of the National Personnel Records Center. * * *

George, Thanks for posting this information. I am not going to <snip> it because I think it deserves to be posted again in case someone misses it the first time around. My husband was provided with a very sturdy envelope -- it still exists in very good condition 50+ years later. It contained his discharge papers and awards and quite a bit other information. As a matter of fact, it is from that envelope that I was able to post at the Purple Heart site discussed here just recently. He also was provided with a billfold size photocopy of his discharge, rather important in those days when "Honorable" might get you a job, and another type of discharge might put you at the bottom of the list. As for the fire, I understand there is a site on the internet explaining just what happened and the aftermath of restoring records. I do recall that veterans were encouraged after the fire to send copies of their personal records so they would once again be available in the archives. Since I don't need to go to the site for information, I haven't done a search (that's called laziness <smile>). But, for those who wish more information, it would be well to use a good search engine and I am sure they will find information. Thanks again for your information. Best, Elaine George Basden wrote: > I don't really think they are in denial nor closed mouth about the fire. > Remember the fire happened in 1973 and you would be hard pressed to find > anyone there now that was working there back then. The military personnel > are long gone and most of the civilians transfered to other better jobs. > The fire simply destroyed some records. They have done their best to try > and reconstruct some of the records to the best of their abilities. > > However, one good thing did come of the fire. Since then all the records > they receive on a daily basis are shipped to another location to be placed > on microfiche. It takes about 6 months for this process to happen. The > end result is a duplicate set of the records stored in another location. > If my records were destroyed today, it would not be a problem since there > is a "backup" copy. Also, I made a copy before I left the service. > > As much as I hate to say this about military records, one of the biggest > problems in not finding out anything are the veterans themselves. Copies > of all/most documents in those personnel records were also given to the > soldier/sailor/marine/airmen at the time the document was issued. Most > military members at the time did not take any care or precautions to > safeguard the documents as they received them. Some like me did, but others > did not. I have to admit it wasn't until the last couple of years during > my 8-year hitch that I started to hang onto and make copies of earlier > documents. > > When I die and my kids open my safe deposit box, they will find a DA Form > 201 file (Army Military Personnel Records Jacket). This is another way of > saying they will find a COMPLETE copy of my military record with the > exception of my finance and health record. Those documents I tossed at the > time of issuance. > > I used to work at the Records Center so I have a good idea of how the > system works there. I now work for the Coast Guard. Course, I am also > keeping copies of any personnel action documents I receive as a civilian > worker. I hope you don't mind but I am also posting this to the GenTips > list so other people may have a better idea of what happened and safeguards > that are now in place. > > By the way, the fire was severe enough the building is now one floor less > than what it used to be. > > George > gebasden@worldnet.att.net > http://www.basden.com >

Mary, I am not sure of what the Warrent-Patent number is but here is one thing you could do. I am sure there is a better answer. Anyway, you may want to give thought to checking with the County Historical Society of where the land transaction took place. They have been helpful to me in this regard. George gebasden@worldnet.att.net http://www.basden.com ---------- > From: Mary L. Wolverton <mlw@skyenet.net> > To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: How to order land records? > Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 11:01 PM > > Hi GenTippers, > > I'm a newbie, so please excuse this dumb question. I would like to obtain > land records on some of my ancestors, I guess you have to have a > Warrent-Patent number before you can access the index. How do you get the > Warrent Patent Number? > > Thanks for any help you can give me. Mary L. > > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: > unsubscribe > To: > GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work! > > > > > > > > >

I don't really think they are in denial nor closed mouth about the fire. Remember the fire happened in 1973 and you would be hard pressed to find anyone there now that was working there back then. The military personnel are long gone and most of the civilians transfered to other better jobs. The fire simply destroyed some records. They have done their best to try and reconstruct some of the records to the best of their abilities. However, one good thing did come of the fire. Since then all the records they receive on a daily basis are shipped to another location to be placed on microfiche. It takes about 6 months for this process to happen. The end result is a duplicate set of the records stored in another location. If my records were destroyed today, it would not be a problem since there is a "backup" copy. Also, I made a copy before I left the service. As much as I hate to say this about military records, one of the biggest problems in not finding out anything are the veterans themselves. Copies of all/most documents in those personnel records were also given to the soldier/sailor/marine/airmen at the time the document was issued. Most military members at the time did not take any care or precautions to safeguard the documents as they received them. Some like me did, but others did not. I have to admit it wasn't until the last couple of years during my 8-year hitch that I started to hang onto and make copies of earlier documents. When I die and my kids open my safe deposit box, they will find a DA Form 201 file (Army Military Personnel Records Jacket). This is another way of saying they will find a COMPLETE copy of my military record with the exception of my finance and health record. Those documents I tossed at the time of issuance. I used to work at the Records Center so I have a good idea of how the system works there. I now work for the Coast Guard. Course, I am also keeping copies of any personnel action documents I receive as a civilian worker. I hope you don't mind but I am also posting this to the GenTips list so other people may have a better idea of what happened and safeguards that are now in place. By the way, the fire was severe enough the building is now one floor less than what it used to be. George gebasden@worldnet.att.net http://www.basden.com ---------- > From: Tip4U@aol.com > To: gebasden@worldnet.att.net > Subject: Re: GenTips-D Digest V98 #455 > Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 11:55 PM > > Interesting, this is exactly the same situation with my uncle. Of course, the > military are in denial about the fire. Cuse me not denial but closed mouth!

Hi GenTippers, I'm a newbie, so please excuse this dumb question. I would like to obtain land records on some of my ancestors, I guess you have to have a Warrent-Patent number before you can access the index. How do you get the Warrent Patent Number? Thanks for any help you can give me. Mary L.

I too am NOT interested in giving my family tree to a group that then sells it to the public. I want other searchers to have easy access to what I have struggled to find, and, in turn, to share with me what they have found. Other places than public libraries where I have left my family tree are: the genealogical and/or the historical societies in the counties where my ancestors lived in VA. and KY. and in the state historical societies. All of them had genealogical files or libraries and were glad to get people's family information. Many of them already had many dozens of family files, some in folders in filing cabinets and others in binders filed in a section of family histories. The KY. Historical Society in Frankfort has row upon row of binders and bound family histories as well as a filing cabinet of folders with letters of inquiry, etc. So does the Filson Club in Louisville. A tip: I only wish that many individuals had put their family names on the cover rather then using clever titles, especially when the surname is a common one! I had to spend hours looking inside most books/binders to discover the family line it listed. I want to commend two of of the county groups that I have found the most helpful and with the most information: The Historical Society in Harrodsburg, KY. across the street from the court house. The genealogy room there is large with scads of material related to all of the counties in the area, and and the volunteers are especially knowledgeable and eager to help. The VA.-N.C. Piedmont Genealogical Society has its own large room in the Danville, VA. Public Library. There too, the volunteers were excellent. This room is not open as many hours as is the library, however. So you need to call to find out the hours; they do vary from day to day. Two volunteers who were walking encyclopedias of genealogical information were: Mrs. Marilyn Halstead in Danville and Mrs. Alma Ray Ison in Harrodsburg. (Mrs. Ison stunned me by asking if I were related to a a woman who had been doing research there in the 50s and 60s---my mother! She even had a file at home of letters my late mother had written to her about our family 40 years ago!) I definitely would go to these genealogical rooms on the days that they are there! BTW, its easy to copyright your material. At least you would have proof if someone took your info and sold it! Elizabeth Kaspar Searching for elusive VA. BAKERS who must have grown there in cabbages! George G. Morgan wrote: > MaisieAnn is correct. Libraries will often accept your work for their > vertical files IF it applies to people in the locale that the library > serves.... >

Hi everyone: I've spent the day re-arranging and updating my "Useful & Unusual Great Links". I'd like to invite everyone to stop by. Sections on Clip Art & Graphics, Military Sites, Genealogy Links & Helpful places, Native Indian Sites and lots more. Just click on my home page below and then click on Great Links. Have fun!!! Linda lhaasdav@avana.net Home Page: http://www.avana.net/~lhaasdav/Haas.html

Hi Folks, It has just occurred to me, after all this time, to post a quest I've had for the last 15 years. I am looking for descendants of LOUIE WILLIAMS/WILBURN JACOBS and FRED JACOBS who lived in Houston, TX until their deaths. Louie died August 11, 1950 and Fred died September 6, 1922. Both are buried in Waco, TX Louie was my paternal ggmtr. and Fred was her second husband. My gfa whose name was CHESTER ARTHUR WILBURN died in 1927, when my father was very young so he never learned anything about his father's family. Arthur went by the name of his step-father although he did not know Fred was his step-father until he applied for a marriage license and had to present proof of his birth. He had gone by Jacobs for so long (since he was 5 yrs. old) that he continued to use the name Jacobs, and was, in fact, buried in Waco, TX with a headstone that listed his name as Arthur Jacobs. My grandmother had the headstone changed to Wilburn. Since her mother-in-law lived in Houston and she lived in Waco, there was very little communication between my grandmother and my great grandmother. I have never met any of my grandfather's family. Louie and Fred's children, who probably are all deceased, were: CHESTER ARTHUR WILBURN JACOBS RUTH C. JACOBS md. DENNIS Y. CRADDOCK HELEN J. JACOBS md. JOHN O. HOPKINS GERTRUDE JACOBS md. HARRY LEMUEL HENRY IDA JACOBS L. M. JACOBS (listed on census as a son) LOURICE JACOBS (listed on census as a son) ALBERT JACOBS dob: 1895 dod: 1914 ETHEL JACOBS DENNECAMP dob: 1901 dod: 1923---Ethel was murdered and the man who killed her was the last man publicly hung in the state of TX If you have any information of these people, please contact me. This is a long shot, but I thought I'd give it a try. I have advertised in the Houston paper, but got no response. Thanks, LCranston

Now this is a question up my alley. Mary, generally speaking ribbons and decorations are listed on what is known as the DD-214 Report of Separation or Discharge from Active Duty. However, there may be times as when they are no listed such as the award actually being issued AFTER discharge of the individual. This happened to me with my second Joint Service Commendation Medal. Upon the end of WWII, sometimes they were in such a hurry to process these veterans out of the service that not all of the awards they were entitled to were entered on their separation papers. As a member of the American Legion Guard of Honor doing Chaplain parts at funerals, we get as much information from the separation papers as we can. Sometimes, there is none. I've seen men who served in combat zones but yet no awards were listed. The National Personnel Records Center, 9700 Page Boulevard, St. Louis, MO 63132 is the place to write for copies of personnel records. For the WWII Veteran you need to use Form 180 to request the records. I believe the web site to request this form is www.nara.gov. I have it somewhere but your local American Legion or VA office should be able to provide this form to you. George gebasden@worldnet.att.net http://www.basden.com ---------- > From: Mj0520@aol.com > To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: GenTips-D Digest V98 #455 > Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 11:32 PM > > Hi.. > > Does anyone out there know if military medals, awards, etc. would have been on > the WW2 separtion papers? Back then, was the miltary able to keep up with the > men's records as they were being discharged after the war? IF not, does > anyone know of an address to write to regarding a relatives records? > > Thanks for your patience..........Mary > > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > Support online research! Donate to the RootsWeb Genealogical Project! See more information at: > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Information via a press release concerning cable installations is at http://www.cnanet.com/press.html West Virginia Locations (Counties/Number of Schools) (We have a Contract to cable the ENTIRE STATE !) Hancock - 8 Marshall - 1 Mohongalia - 3 Harrison - 4 >

Hi MaisieAnn, Would you please post to the list, or e-mail me privately if you get any feedback? I'm sure there's lots of us interested in this. Thanks!! --Pam in CA >From: MaisieAnn@aol.com >Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:43:37 EDT >Subject: MASONIC RECORDS >To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > >Several months ago, after reading about searching Masonic records (used a >little book that I cannot put my hands on at the moment), I wrote on DECE= >MBER >7, 1997, to a lodge secretary in a large city. Never got a reply. So two = >days >ago, I decided to follow up with a phone call (used Switchboard computer >directory)...found his name listed and called. He was very nice, but told= > me >that after a year and a half in his post as secretary, the records were s= >till >with the former secretary who lives very far away. He hopes to have recor= >ds >transported to is home SOON, whatever that is. He said he is very busy, w= >orks >long hours, etc. etc. etc. > >At this point, all I know is that there is potential here but getting som= >eone >to actually look at the records is the stumbling block. I plan to wait ab= >out 6 >weeks then call again. He told me he had two requests pending. On the nex= >t >call, if he does not have the records in his possession, I will ask for p= >hone >number of former secretary, who might do the lookup. Has anyone else been >successful in actually getting the records from various lodges? >MaisieAnn@aol.com Hudson, OH > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D GenTips Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D >Family Workings: http://www.familyworkings.com > >A site to help researchers break through those brickwalls.=A0 Lots of lin= >ks, >subcatagorized, ancestor queries, tips, and cemetary research.=A0 Looking= > for >research donations of: Cemetaries, obits, volunteer researchers, and >anything else that may be of interest to other researchers.=A0 Submit lin= >ks, >ancestor queries and tips. Check it out > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

MaisieAnn is correct. Libraries will often accept your work for their vertical files IF it applies to people in the locale that the library serves. I have made copies of some of my work, placed it in a durable vinyl folder, labelled it, and provided an abstract. The library then has something already bound and enough information about surnames and locations to create a catalog entry. As a result of placing some of these copies in libraries, I've received letters (and in one case a whole book) from other genealogical researchers. I, too, have made contact with some other genealogists, including one in Athens, GA, who had ALL of one of my lines and a MAJOR PART of another one. When I wrote her, she sent me more pedigree charts and copies of scores of marriage licenses, wills, and church records that corroborated her research. (We subsequently have become close friends.) You never know where the next piece of help will come from! George Morgan MaisieAnn@aol.com wrote: > > In order to avoid problems with other people selling one's hard work on a > family history, perhaps it would be better to send copies to public libraries > or historical societies near the places your ancestors lived. There these > could be seen by interested folks but not sold.. For example, I know several > historical societies/libraries that have vertical files of family histories > and accept such donations as family group sheets. MaisieAnn@aol.com Hudson, > OH > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net

Judy The gentlemen's posting was correct except for spelling. The Monongehela River and the Allegheny River merge at Pittsburg to become the Ohio River. There is a Monongalia County in West Virginia that borders the State of Pennsylvania to its North. County seat is Morgantown. There is also a Monongah, West Virginia in Marion County. I had family from West Virginia and had a time figuring out if they came from Taylor County or Tyler County. They were from both. I use a combination of a Rand McNalley Road Altas and a Post Office Zip Code Directory. The atlas list county names, in dark bold type, along with the names of cities and towns. The Zip Code Directory is suppose to list the name of the county, but sometimes lists a real small post office with the name of a larger post office that services that particular Zip Code. So double check one against the other. Hope this helps Take care & God Bless Jerry Kelley Indiana ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:34:32 -0500 "George Basden" <gebasden@worldnet.att.net> writes: >Judy: I suspect your are referring to Monongohilia or something like >that. > There is a river that runs through Pittsburgh with that name so I >suspect >the county you are looking for is in Pennsylvania. There are three >rivers >that come into Pittsburgh, Monongohilia and two others but do not >remember >there names at this point. I think another one is the Alleghany. >George >gebasden@worldnet.att.net >http://www.basden.com > >---------- >> From: Dick Schweiss <dicks@uswest.net> >> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: MOHONGLIA, County: >> Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 5:27 PM >> >> Judith, >> >> Are you sure of the SPELLING .... I found NO county with that name >> anywhere ... >> >> Dick S. >> >> >> >> >> JHUGH1118@aol.com wrote: >> > >> > Hi GenTippers, >> > >> > Can any of my friends out there help me with this wall? >> > >> > Is "MOHONGLIA COUNTY in WVA. or VA"? >> > >> > Thanks for sharing, >> > >> > Judith >> > >> > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >> > To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net >> >> >> ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >> To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net >> >> >> > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >Family Workings: http://www.familyworkings.com > >A site to help researchers break through those brickwalls.  Lots of >links, >subcatagorized, ancestor queries, tips, and cemetary research.  >Looking for >research donations of: Cemetaries, obits, volunteer researchers, and >anything else that may be of interest to other researchers.  Submit >links, >ancestor queries and tips. Check it out > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]