boy are all you on the ball I am going to use my dictionary more often yes I ment country I know Portland is in the USA I want to thank veryone that responded but now I have 3 countrys for Portland Muitnomah,Klakamas.Washington anyone out there form Portland?thanks alot for your help I an closer than I was E Vern Vern Fales ham call letter kd7bkq evern@cody.wtp.net http://www.cody.wtp.net/~evern