I enjoyed the snowballs. If one doesn't like what is in the mail box then trash it. Ronnie -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Williams <zayzay@tca.net> To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com <GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 10:21 PM Subject: Fw: snowballs > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lynne Williams <zayzay@tca.net> >To: JeanL1997@aol.com <JeanL1997@aol.com> >Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 3:46 PM >Subject: Re: snowballs > > >>Well, I'am not a stick in the mud, as you may be. I was forwarded the >>Snowball by a stranger and it made me laugh. My only thought in sending to >>the list was to give others a laugh also. So many times when we are >working >>on our family history projects, we hit that infernal brick wall and need >>something to release a little stress. For me that day it happened to be a >>little thing that we call a snowball. In closing, one of the reasons I >>joined the list was to possibly find relatives and maybe find some new >>friends. One of which will not be you! >>-----Original Message----- >>From: JeanL1997@aol.com <JeanL1997@aol.com> >>To: zayzay@tca.net <zayzay@tca.net> >>Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 6:40 AM >>Subject: Re: snowballs >> >> >>>I may be a stick in the mud, and I do have a life, but I really do wish >you >>>would keep you personal mail just that, personal. I use GenSwap to help >>and >>>receive help from others doing genealogy, and have fun with my friends, >and >>>not force my own opinion of what is fun on people I don't even know. >>> >> > > >==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== >Donate to the RootsWeb Genealogical Project! See more information at: http://www.rootsweb.com >

-----Original Message----- From: Lynne Williams <zayzay@tca.net> To: JeanL1997@aol.com <JeanL1997@aol.com> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 3:46 PM Subject: Re: snowballs >Well, I'am not a stick in the mud, as you may be. I was forwarded the >Snowball by a stranger and it made me laugh. My only thought in sending to >the list was to give others a laugh also. So many times when we are working >on our family history projects, we hit that infernal brick wall and need >something to release a little stress. For me that day it happened to be a >little thing that we call a snowball. In closing, one of the reasons I >joined the list was to possibly find relatives and maybe find some new >friends. One of which will not be you! >-----Original Message----- >From: JeanL1997@aol.com <JeanL1997@aol.com> >To: zayzay@tca.net <zayzay@tca.net> >Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 6:40 AM >Subject: Re: snowballs > > >>I may be a stick in the mud, and I do have a life, but I really do wish you >>would keep you personal mail just that, personal. I use GenSwap to help >and >>receive help from others doing genealogy, and have fun with my friends, and >>not force my own opinion of what is fun on people I don't even know. >> >

Are we in an excuse the expression " a pissing contest" cmon we are adults..no flaming no nonsense...

Myra, here, here!! Ciao for now, Ray -----Original Message----- From: Myra Appel <MAPPEL@jccscpa.com> To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com <GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Obit/death certficate lookups in CA >Oh PLEASE! Enough already, I think you are all wrong. There is nothing wrong with a little warm camaraderie (in small quantities) and we also need to get back to business, so let's just cut the crap........... > >I have a real problem. I am doing research on my husband's great-aunt, and the people in LA who were doing volunteer work on the CA Helplist have all flaked out on me. Her name was Dora (Appel) Wright, and she was born circa 1880; problem is, a kind CA volunteer has found about seven Dora Wrights in the CADI (three of which died in LA and have no SS#) and without looking at all of their death certificates or obits, there is no telling which one is our Dora. I am in Whitefish, MT which is a LONG way from So. CA! So I am at a loss what to do. I am willing to pay for copies and mileage and will trade for local lookups. > >Please write me directly for details. > >Thanks! >Myra Appel >mappel@jccscpa.com > > >==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== >Support RootsWeb!!!! Send in a donation today! >http://www.rootsweb.com > >

Hi I am interested in knowing how to use the index to do some research in that huge 128 volume book. I would appreciate knowing your secret, if you have a moment to send it out. Thank you for your consideration. Judy G.

I just had to unsub from the CORNISH-L website because I was getting over 600 e-mails a day. Now THAT's busy! Personally, I thought the snowballs were fun...and they did not last but a couple of days, whereas the Virtual Christmas Party on the CORNISH-L list started before Thanksgiving and is still going on hot and heavy! In a message dated 12/9/1998 11:40:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, call- me@mail.swbell.net writes: << Subj: Re: Personal e-mail Date: 12/9/1998 11:40:32 AM Eastern Standard Time From: call-me@mail.swbell.net Reply-to: call-me@swbell.net To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com George, I have to agree with Jean. Personal messages should go privately. The other lists I am on require the same. It has nothing to do with 10 hour work days, etc., but the purpose of the page. Jean may be the most efficient person on earth and still be putting in a 10 hour day, but that's not the point. Your message was unnecessarily bitchy. You could have made your point without attacking Jean. Please keep such comments to yourself. George Gildersleeve wrote: > Sounds like your making a 'social' statement about how much time > others have on their hands. I suggest you practice some tried > efficiency methods to reduce your workday to eight hours so you can > have more time to spend reading some of the posts. If you want to > bemoan your workday - I sympathize - but I enjoy the postings and also > 'put in a ten hour day'. > -----Original Message----- > From: JeanL1997@aol.com <JeanL1997@aol.com> > To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com <GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:43 AM > Subject: Personal e-mail > > >I realize that I will probably get a lot of hate mail, and I hate to > sound > >like an old grouch, but I put in a 10 hr day, and come in and check > my mail. > >I am serious about my genealogy, and my time is limited. I would > really > >appreciate it if any of you that want to personally correspond, would > do so on > >you personal e-mail addresses and not on GenSwap. Your personal mail > is > >probably not very interesting to most of us, ( it definitely isn't to > me) and > >it does waste a lot of everyone else's time. Thanks > > > > >>

This is my first responding to the List...I have patiently (and not so patiently) waited for that 'snowballed' mail to pass so I could read some interesting tips and stories on people finding their ancestors. I agree with George and others who have little time to wait through trivia to get to the 'exciting' parts. Jean, you need to learn about consideration for others time....it is one of their most valuable gifts. One Snowball really snowballed, didn't it? Hope we've all learned from this. Anyway, have a happy day in the snowball heaven, Jean and snowball fans. Joan call-me@mail.swbell.net wrote: > > George, > > I have to agree with Jean. Personal messages should go privately. The other lists I am on require the > same. It has nothing to do with 10 hour work days, etc. but the purpose of the page. Jean may be the most efficient > person on earth and still be putting in a 10 hour day, but that's not the point. Your message was unnecessarily bitchy. > You could have made your point without attacking Jean. Please keep such comments to yourself. > > George Gildersleeve wrote: > > > Sounds like your making a 'social' statement about how much time > > others have on their hands. I suggest you practice some tried > > efficiency methods to reduce your workday to eight hours so you can > > have more time to spend reading some of the posts. If you want to > > bemoan your workday - I sympathize - but I enjoy the postings and also > > 'put in a ten hour day'. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JeanL1997@aol.com <JeanL1997@aol.com> > > To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com <GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:43 AM > > Subject: Personal e-mail > > > > >I realize that I will probably get a lot of hate mail, and I hate to > > sound > > >like an old grouch, but I put in a 10 hr day, and come in and check > > my mail. > > >I am serious about my genealogy, and my time is limited. I would > > really > > >appreciate it if any of you that want to personally correspond, would > > do so on > > >you personal e-mail addresses and not on GenSwap. Your personal mail > > is > > >probably not very interesting to most of us, ( it definitely isn't to > > me) and > > >it does waste a lot of everyone else's time. Thanks > > > > > > > > >==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== > > >Don't forget to stop by our business web page for FREE genealogy > > tips! We are adding more all the time!!!! http://www.genrecords.com > > > > ==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== > > For a complete listing of internet genealogy mailing lists, check out: http://users.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html

Hi Bill, I'm in the Boston area and can probably do a lookup for you. What do you need? >______________________________X-Message: #10 >Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:21:26 -0800 >From: "william j. scott" <wjscott@nbnet.nb.ca> >To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <366EE9D6.63E1@nbnet.nb.ca> >Subject: Obit required - Lynn MA >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi - would like someone to look up an obit for a death which occurred on >Oct.29,1982 in Lynn MA. I can provide census lookups for New Brunswick >and obits from Moncton newspapers. Will pay parking, copy and postage. > >Bill Scott. Peg from MA DavePeg@ix.netcom.com .... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7401/

Have you by any chance checked the index of the New York Times? You will probably find the index att your local community college. A surprising number of community colleges and libraries have sets of NY Times on Microfilm and have the index books. Junebyr@aol.com

If you have death dates from the CA DI, may I ask if any of these are early? The early ones give the age. Later ones have the spouse's initial on the Index which sometimes helps to sort them out. May I ask if you have looked for the person in what you think is her last census/soundex? Perhaps that will tell you which county is most likely. If you have done both of the above and it is hopeless, try getting the local newspaper on interlibrary loan and looking for an obit. You can check for repositories for any state by going to the Library of Congress Site via Cyndi's list and looking for the newspaper project. Choose your state and see if you can find anything which might be of help. I don't know if any of these suggestions will help you but thought they might help someone. Junebyr@aol.com

Oh PLEASE! Enough already, I think you are all wrong. There is nothing wrong with a little warm camaraderie (in small quantities) and we also need to get back to business, so let's just cut the crap........... I have a real problem. I am doing research on my husband's great-aunt, and the people in LA who were doing volunteer work on the CA Helplist have all flaked out on me. Her name was Dora (Appel) Wright, and she was born circa 1880; problem is, a kind CA volunteer has found about seven Dora Wrights in the CADI (three of which died in LA and have no SS#) and without looking at all of their death certificates or obits, there is no telling which one is our Dora. I am in Whitefish, MT which is a LONG way from So. CA! So I am at a loss what to do. I am willing to pay for copies and mileage and will trade for local lookups. Please write me directly for details. Thanks! Myra Appel mappel@jccscpa.com

Hi - would like someone to look up an obit for a death which occurred on Oct.29,1982 in Lynn MA. I can provide census lookups for New Brunswick and obits from Moncton newspapers. Will pay parking, copy and postage. Bill Scott.

from:smokey@viagrafix.net to:GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com I am tired of all the junk mail, I for one am trying to research my family. UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!!!!!!!! I went through the normal channels to unsubscribe, guess it didn't take, I will try this way. -----Original Message----- From: Joan Archibald <joanarc@netwiz.net> To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com <GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Snowballs If this is the general content of the site, please UNSUBSCRIBE ME,; i DON'T HAVE TIME FOR PLAYING SILLY GAMES ON A XCOMPUTER! bYE, jOAN a joanarc@netwiz.net Froggee wrote: > > So it is just not me here in CA that is freezing cold.............. > > Wendy > > "Linda K. Richards" wrote: > > > HELP!!! I'M BEING BOMBARDED WITH SNOWBALLS!!! Haven't had this much fun for > > quite sometime. Why is it freezing in sunny California and warm in Washington > > D.C.? The way it feels here, we SHOULD have snow on the ground. I heard it > > even snowed in Las Vegas yesterday. I was born and raised there and I remember > > that happening only twice in 22 years. And it was gone in an hour. But what > > fun that hour was. Linda Kay > > > > Lynne Williams wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: LJ Linson <linson@newwaytec.net> > > > To: Devin Glenn Wilson <Dgw@mexia.com>; Thomas & Lynn Williams > > > <zayzay@tca.net>; Rene' Ferrell <dredd17@aol.com>; John Carter > > > <johncarter7@hotmail.com> > > > Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 8:28 AM > > > Subject: Fw: Snowballs > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Bonnie Thomas <thedispatcher@worldnet.att.net> > > > >To: Christie Larner <BLDCOP@AOL.com>; Rene Ferrell <dredd17@AOL.com>; > > > >Spencer Jr's Mom <kimberly_stettler@ciccorp.com>; Krossfire > > > ><krossfir@gte.net>; L J Linson <linson@newwaytec.net>; David Pack > > > ><mpakman@newwaytec.net>; P.A. & Nancy Garcia <Riatta@vsta.com>; Bill & Jane > > > >Elliott <vector9g@mail3.bunt.com>; Pat <winmac@glen-net.ca> > > > >Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 8:26 PM > > > >Subject: Fw: Snowballs > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > >>From: dustyroads <dustyroads@gvec.net> > > > >>To: Coastal Properties <coastalproperties@computron.net>; Shelly Hollen > > > >><shalako@texas.net>; Robin Pool <hilltop@feist.com>; M&K Wells > > > >><mkwells@brazoria.net>; Diane Sadler <DSadler@mail.utexas.edu>; Debbie > > > >>Collins <krossfir@gte.net>; debbbie reneau <reneau1@airmail.net>; Darlene > > > >S. > > > >>Haggerton <Darlene_S._Haggerton@txfund.com>; Darlene A Haggerton > > > >><dashag@bluebon.net>; Christina Villegas <Christina_Villegas@txfund.com>; > > > >>Chris Murphy <cmurphy@gvec.net>; Bonnie Thomas > > > >><thedispatcher@worldnet.att.net>; Andrea Torres > > > >><zydeco-aussies@worldnet.att.net>; <Elaine McCollough> <ERracer@AOL.COM> > > > >>Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:00 PM > > > >>Subject: Fw: Snowballs > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>GOTCHA!!! > > > >>>> \ | / > > > >>>> \\ \ | | / // > > > >>>> \\\ \\ // /// > > > >>>> \\\ ####### /// > > > >>>> \\## ##// > > > >>>> -- ## ## -- > > > >>>> -- ## squish!! ## -- > > > >>>> //## ##\\ > > > >>>> // ### ### \\ > > > >>>> /// ####### \\\ > > > >>>> /// // \\ \\\ > > > >>>> // / | | \ \\ > > > >>>> / | \ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> You have just been hit with a snow ball! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The first one of the winter. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It's the start of..... > > > >>>> Snow Ball Fight '98/'99!!!! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> One rule to this game.... > > > >>>> > > > >>>> You can't hit someone who has already hit you! > > > >>>> Now...go out there and hit as many people > > > >>>> as you can before they get you!! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Have fun > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Terry > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > -- > Wendy Hillman in Rancho Santa Margarita, CA > Researching YORK & LOVEJOY in Maine, NH & Mass. > OUELETTE & RUSH in KS and Nebraska > > ==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== > For a complete listing of internet genealogy mailing lists, check out: http://users.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html ==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== Are you having trouble unsubscribing to the list? You can subscribe and unsubscribe to the lists we own from our web page at: http://www.genrecords.com/lists.htm

Tired of the personal conversation. UNSUBSCRIBE!

If this is the general content of the site, please UNSUBSCRIBE ME,; i DON'T HAVE TIME FOR PLAYING SILLY GAMES ON A XCOMPUTER! bYE, jOAN a joanarc@netwiz.net Froggee wrote: > > So it is just not me here in CA that is freezing cold.............. > > Wendy > > "Linda K. Richards" wrote: > > > HELP!!! I'M BEING BOMBARDED WITH SNOWBALLS!!! Haven't had this much fun for > > quite sometime. Why is it freezing in sunny California and warm in Washington > > D.C.? The way it feels here, we SHOULD have snow on the ground. I heard it > > even snowed in Las Vegas yesterday. I was born and raised there and I remember > > that happening only twice in 22 years. And it was gone in an hour. But what > > fun that hour was. Linda Kay > > > > Lynne Williams wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: LJ Linson <linson@newwaytec.net> > > > To: Devin Glenn Wilson <Dgw@mexia.com>; Thomas & Lynn Williams > > > <zayzay@tca.net>; Rene' Ferrell <dredd17@aol.com>; John Carter > > > <johncarter7@hotmail.com> > > > Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 8:28 AM > > > Subject: Fw: Snowballs > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Bonnie Thomas <thedispatcher@worldnet.att.net> > > > >To: Christie Larner <BLDCOP@AOL.com>; Rene Ferrell <dredd17@AOL.com>; > > > >Spencer Jr's Mom <kimberly_stettler@ciccorp.com>; Krossfire > > > ><krossfir@gte.net>; L J Linson <linson@newwaytec.net>; David Pack > > > ><mpakman@newwaytec.net>; P.A. & Nancy Garcia <Riatta@vsta.com>; Bill & Jane > > > >Elliott <vector9g@mail3.bunt.com>; Pat <winmac@glen-net.ca> > > > >Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 8:26 PM > > > >Subject: Fw: Snowballs > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > >>From: dustyroads <dustyroads@gvec.net> > > > >>To: Coastal Properties <coastalproperties@computron.net>; Shelly Hollen > > > >><shalako@texas.net>; Robin Pool <hilltop@feist.com>; M&K Wells > > > >><mkwells@brazoria.net>; Diane Sadler <DSadler@mail.utexas.edu>; Debbie > > > >>Collins <krossfir@gte.net>; debbbie reneau <reneau1@airmail.net>; Darlene > > > >S. > > > >>Haggerton <Darlene_S._Haggerton@txfund.com>; Darlene A Haggerton > > > >><dashag@bluebon.net>; Christina Villegas <Christina_Villegas@txfund.com>; > > > >>Chris Murphy <cmurphy@gvec.net>; Bonnie Thomas > > > >><thedispatcher@worldnet.att.net>; Andrea Torres > > > >><zydeco-aussies@worldnet.att.net>; <Elaine McCollough> <ERracer@AOL.COM> > > > >>Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:00 PM > > > >>Subject: Fw: Snowballs > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>GOTCHA!!! > > > >>>> \ | / > > > >>>> \\ \ | | / // > > > >>>> \\\ \\ // /// > > > >>>> \\\ ####### /// > > > >>>> \\## ##// > > > >>>> -- ## ## -- > > > >>>> -- ## squish!! ## -- > > > >>>> //## ##\\ > > > >>>> // ### ### \\ > > > >>>> /// ####### \\\ > > > >>>> /// // \\ \\\ > > > >>>> // / | | \ \\ > > > >>>> / | \ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> You have just been hit with a snow ball! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The first one of the winter. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It's the start of..... > > > >>>> Snow Ball Fight '98/'99!!!! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> One rule to this game.... > > > >>>> > > > >>>> You can't hit someone who has already hit you! > > > >>>> Now...go out there and hit as many people > > > >>>> as you can before they get you!! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Have fun > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Terry > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > -- > Wendy Hillman in Rancho Santa Margarita, CA > Researching YORK & LOVEJOY in Maine, NH & Mass. > OUELETTE & RUSH in KS and Nebraska > > ==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== > For a complete listing of internet genealogy mailing lists, check out: http://users.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html

In a message dated 12/9/98 7:40:42 AM, JeanL1997@aol.com wrote: >I realize that I will probably get a lot of hate mail, and I hate to sound >like an old grouch, but I put in a 10 hr day, and come in and check my mail. >I am serious about my genealogy, and my time is limited. I would really >appreciate it if any of you that want to personally correspond, would do so on >you personal e-mail addresses and not on GenSwap. Your personal mail is >probably not very interesting to most of us, ( it definitely isn't to me) and >it does waste a lot of everyone else's time. Thanks Amen to that, Jean. I unsubscribed to Moms and Me Rootsweb for the same reason. People were sending too many one-liners that didn't mean anything except to the person intended to receive them. My mail was full of over 400 e- mails a day because of this! Thanks for speaking out. Shelly

smokey@viagrafix.net

I too, have a full time job. I work up to 12 hours a day on occasion. I feel that "lightening things up" every so often takes us out of the rut and puts a little fun in our tasks. I have been a member of this for a little while and do not feel that it has been abused by non-genealogy info to warrant complaints. If only I reduce my snail mail unwanteds to the low levels on this list, I would have even more time!! Let's all lighten up!! There's still plenty of time left to do "our thing" after the very few distractions. Linda in Lucas

Sounds like your making a 'social' statement about how much time others have on their hands. I suggest you practice some tried efficiency methods to reduce your workday to eight hours so you can have more time to spend reading some of the posts. If you want to bemoan your workday - I sympathize - but I enjoy the postings and also 'put in a ten hour day'. -----Original Message----- From: JeanL1997@aol.com <JeanL1997@aol.com> To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com <GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:43 AM Subject: Personal e-mail >I realize that I will probably get a lot of hate mail, and I hate to sound >like an old grouch, but I put in a 10 hr day, and come in and check my mail. >I am serious about my genealogy, and my time is limited. I would really >appreciate it if any of you that want to personally correspond, would do so on >you personal e-mail addresses and not on GenSwap. Your personal mail is >probably not very interesting to most of us, ( it definitely isn't to me) and >it does waste a lot of everyone else's time. Thanks > > >==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to stop by our business web page for FREE genealogy tips! We are adding more all the time!!!! http://www.genrecords.com

George, I have to agree with Jean. Personal messages should go privately. The other lists I am on require the same. It has nothing to do with 10 hour work days, etc. but the purpose of the page. Jean may be the most efficient person on earth and still be putting in a 10 hour day, but that's not the point. Your message was unnecessarily bitchy. You could have made your point without attacking Jean. Please keep such comments to yourself. George Gildersleeve wrote: > Sounds like your making a 'social' statement about how much time > others have on their hands. I suggest you practice some tried > efficiency methods to reduce your workday to eight hours so you can > have more time to spend reading some of the posts. If you want to > bemoan your workday - I sympathize - but I enjoy the postings and also > 'put in a ten hour day'. > -----Original Message----- > From: JeanL1997@aol.com <JeanL1997@aol.com> > To: GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com <GenSwap-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:43 AM > Subject: Personal e-mail > > >I realize that I will probably get a lot of hate mail, and I hate to > sound > >like an old grouch, but I put in a 10 hr day, and come in and check > my mail. > >I am serious about my genealogy, and my time is limited. I would > really > >appreciate it if any of you that want to personally correspond, would > do so on > >you personal e-mail addresses and not on GenSwap. Your personal mail > is > >probably not very interesting to most of us, ( it definitely isn't to > me) and > >it does waste a lot of everyone else's time. Thanks > > > > > >==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== > >Don't forget to stop by our business web page for FREE genealogy > tips! We are adding more all the time!!!! http://www.genrecords.com > > ==== GenSwap Mailing List ==== > For a complete listing of internet genealogy mailing lists, check out: http://users.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html