In the course of typing my previous reply I realised that Gramps probably does have better ways of recording the relationship - I can quite understand that you'd not like the idea of using the built-in parent-child relationship. So I just tried an alternative. I created two individuals. I opened one individual's record, clicked on the "Association" tab. This allowed me to set up an association with the other individual and define it as "slave". This may suit you better. -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk>