asprentz@hotmail.com wrote: > I have a ggrandmother who refuses to be found. All of the "facts" you give sound as if they are mostly unproven family memories. What documentation do you have for any of the information? Do you have anything except family tales and a 1930 census reading that sounds like it may not be your ancestors after all? You mention in one place that you've searched for the daughter using her married name, but in another place you indicate you don't know the daughter's name. You indicate that you found the brother and sister together in the 1930 census, and that they both said their mother was born in CT and their father in OH; but not only state that was incorrect, but the ages were also wrong. How do you know that? And if it wasn't correct, how do you know you even found the right brother and sister if you don't know her name? Where did you find them together in 1930? There were more Sprentz listings in the U.S. than just two by 1930. You mention that you've "thought about sending for marriage records but those won't tell me anything more than I already know...." As Dr. Phil now says on tv all the time, "How's that workin' for ya?" Have you considered that, in light of the fact that you can't find the documentation to prove what you think you "already know," maybe what you "already know" is not entirely correct? No matter how much you think you "know" from family tales, the best way to do genealogical research is to just follow the documentable evidence from you backwards in time step by step, finding complete records for probate, death, land, children, marriages, birth, each census and more without skipping any steps. All those documents you don't think are important because you "already know" the facts often turn out to have the most important detail you need that your family hasn't remembered quite right. You need to just *follow* the evidence wherever it leads, not try to force it to prove what you think you "know." Keeping in mind that the transcribed and indexed records you find online often don't include everything in the record, if you can give us a better idea of what *proven* facts you have, maybe someone can point you in the right direction. Do you have your grandfather's actual death, marriage and birth records from the county or state? What about the marriage record of your g-grandparents? You stated a year, but do you have a copy of the actual record? Diane genmail@1st.net