There's a lot that you could narrow down by getting birth, marriage and death records for your family: 1. The death record for your GG grandmother would (should) give you her parents names............. 2. Her children's death certificates would give you her actual surname........... and the name of their father 3. Marriage records will give you more information about dates, parentage 4. Divorce records would at, the minimum, tell you where to look. 5. You did not give the date or place of death of her children; if they had Social Security, request the application. 6. You need all of this information to find the family in the census records that you need.............. only looking at one, you can't be sure WHO's date of birth is correct............... Don't dismiss the information about where she was born unless you have immigration records! 7. Find out where the children, as well as your Gggrandmother are buried and under what names. Start looking there and work backwards if you need to. 8. Look at the city directories for Detroit (once you confirm that she was or wasn't there!) Withot more information, I believe it is a huge mistake to start making assumptions............ Assumptions should be left as a FINAL piece when all other available information leads to a conclusion; not the beginning. There are just too many pieces missing and too much based on reported information rather than facts. IMHO, searching through census records should be left until you have the other available information, and then search. Glee Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>

> There's a lot that you could narrow down by getting birth, marriage > and death records for your family: > > <snip> > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> Glee, Thanks for the suggestions. Someone else from the list, who was not so nice, and a Dr. Phil wannabe asked that I supply documentation so that others may help me, so I sent her and the list complete records on this family. You should be able to see my post soon. [ The post with complete records went out to USENET, but it was too large and was bounced by the GENMTD mailing list. I'll try to fix that later ... -Mod ] I appreciate the people who are nice about their reply's, I really do. I also understand that it is hard for people to know what work I have done without listing every single piece of documentation. Because of limited time and space, I only list what I think is important info, but evidentally, I need to learn how to make a proper post, or rude people need to stop making assumptions that I'm just doing my family genealogy on "family tales'. You can also visit my website at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2651/mindex.html Thanks again for being so nice, and for the suggestions. :-) Anne Sprentz Do you know who killed my father? JOHN SPRENTZ, murdered 1983 in Ecorse, Michigan.... see my website for further details. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2651/Unsolvedmurder.html asprentz@hotmail.com