> I live in the farthest southwest tip of the Australian continent. > In terms of the globe we are diametrically opposite some point in > the North Atlantic, somewhere north of Bermuda. > > That places us as far as it is possible to get from New York, for > example, and still be on land. We are as far removed from American > Indian blood. > > Guess what. > > We have European families here too with high cheek bones, dark > almond eyes and long black hair, except that people here insist > "they must be gypsies" . . . . > > Gil Hardwick <gruagach@highway1.com.au> One of my maternal GrGrandparents was said to be an American Indian. When I decided to compile a genealogy on that lineage, I found to our utter astonishment we are descended from Roma, who are known as Gypsies. We descend from the Roma of Europe, in our case, German Roma. At present some of our kin folks won't even talk to me they are so perturbed by this information. Apparently, many folks wish to be Native American, but few wish to be a Gypsy!! On my Dad's side of the family we descend from Hilibi Creek. I have been told by a Creek tribal genealogist, there exist two ways to be recognized as a Native American: 1) to descend from a person on the Native rolls and/or 2) to locate a record, often a land record, that identifies the ancestor as a Native American. [Possibly there exist other means of proof, but I only know of those means told me by that genealogist.] Fran fpowellsr@starpower.net

> > <snip> > > > > We have European families here too with high cheek bones, dark > > almond eyes and long black hair, except that people here insist > > "they must be gypsies" . . . . > > > > Gil Hardwick <gruagach@highway1.com.au> > > One of my maternal GrGrandparents was said to be an American Indian. > When I decided to compile a genealogy on that lineage, I found to > our utter astonishment we are descended from Roma, who are known as > Gypsies. We descend from the Roma of Europe, in our case, German > Roma. At present some of our kin folks won't even talk to me they > are so perturbed by this information. Apparently, many folks wish > to be Native American, but few wish to be a Gypsy!! > > <snip> > > Fran fpowellsr@starpower.net I saw a documentary on the 'gypsies' or Roma people not too long ago. They have a very interesting and remarkable history. IN the documentary they were analyzing the language for clues to their background. Amazingly some of the words they analyzed told a lot of history about their beginnings. (sounds funny, but I hope you understand what I am trying to say...:) ) I think tho for the most part, it is still a mystery. On the 'German Roma', I have some German Youngblood, or Jungbludt (sp different ways) could that be a Roma line? Something else on this Indian blood thing, I feel somewhere in our line there is some Indian of some kind or some other Indian 'like' race, cause too many of the babies are born with a golden brown 'tan' and black hair which turns brown or blonde later in life, but it is sort of strange in a way, knowing how hated the Indians were by the white families that there are so many who say they are of Indian descent. Only God knows for sure. thanks, dena "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com>

> > > <snip> > > > > > > We have European families here too with high cheek bones, dark > > > almond eyes and long black hair, except that people here insist > > > "they must be gypsies" . . . . > > > > > > Gil Hardwick <gruagach@highway1.com.au> > > > > One of my maternal GrGrandparents was said to be an American Indian. > > When I decided to compile a genealogy on that lineage, I found to > > our utter astonishment we are descended from Roma, who are known as > > Gypsies. We descend from the Roma of Europe, in our case, German > > Roma. At present some of our kin folks won't even talk to me they > > are so perturbed by this information. Apparently, many folks wish > > to be Native American, but few wish to be a Gypsy!! > > > > <snip> > > > > Fran fpowellsr@starpower.net > > I saw a documentary on the 'gypsies' or Roma people not too long > ago. They have a very interesting and remarkable history. IN the > documentary they were analyzing the language for clues to their > background. Amazingly some of the words they analyzed told a lot of > history about their beginnings. (sounds funny, but I hope you > understand what I am trying to say...:) ) I think tho for the most > part, it is still a mystery. > > On the 'German Roma', I have some German Youngblood, or Jungbludt > (sp different ways) could that be a Roma line? > > Something else on this Indian blood thing, I feel somewhere in our > line there is some Indian of some kind or some other Indian 'like' > race, cause too many of the babies are born with a golden brown > 'tan' and black hair which turns brown or blonde later in life, but > it is sort of strange in a way, knowing how hated the Indians were > by the white families that there are so many who say they are of > Indian descent. Only God knows for sure. > > "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com> that was supposed to go private. sorry, dena