> > > > I have a 1920 census record which says a specific man was born in > > > > Russia/Poland and emigrated in 1905. His parents were both also > > > > born in Russia/Poland, and the native language of both is Hebrew. > > > > His wife was born in Pa, her father in Russia/Poland native language > > > > Hebrew and her mother born in Hungary native language Hungarian > > > > (struck-through and Magyar written above). > > > > > > > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> > > > > > > As usual for me, I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, > > > > > > Lisa Lepore > > > > I was hoping for an itemized list of the things that could deduced > > from the information quoted. > > > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> > > Cheryl, why don't you list what you think could be deduced and let > us critique. > > bob gillis I wanted to know where others came out independently without the influence of my thoughts. I see several have mentioned the conclusion I drew -- that the family is Jewish -- and so the next opinion wanted is: How credible is it that this family is *descended* from German Lutherans who arrived in Philadelphia in the early 1740s? It's immaterial to my research whether they are *related*, only whether they are DESCENDED. Cheryl singhals <[email protected]>

> > > > > I have a 1920 census record which says a specific man was born in > > > > > Russia/Poland and emigrated in 1905. His parents were both also > > > > > born in Russia/Poland, and the native language of both is Hebrew. > > > > > His wife was born in Pa, her father in Russia/Poland native language > > > > > Hebrew and her mother born in Hungary native language Hungarian > > > > > (struck-through and Magyar written above). > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > As usual for me, I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, > > > > > > > > Lisa Lepore > > > > > > I was hoping for an itemized list of the things that could deduced > > > from the information quoted. > > > > > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> > > > > Cheryl, why don't you list what you think could be deduced and let > > us critique. > > > > bob gillis > > I wanted to know where others came out independently without the > influence of my thoughts. > > I see several have mentioned the conclusion I drew -- that the > family is Jewish -- and so the next opinion wanted is: > > How credible is it that this family is *descended* from German > Lutherans who arrived in Philadelphia in the early 1740s? > > It's immaterial to my research whether they are *related*, only > whether they are DESCENDED. > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> Cheryl What I see is a family who was reported as being recent immigrants and were probably of Jewish religion orgins. The wife's mother was Hungarian so it is possible she was not of Jewish origin especially as she did not speak Hebrew. It is possible that by Hebrew they meant Yiddish. I would have to look up whether Hebrew was actually spoken in Russian. However, if someone has entered any of these people as having had ancestors that settled in Pennsylvania in the early 1700s I would have to see how it went. I have seen a few who move back to Europe for various reason. I have a women of early PA descent who had a society marriage in Washington in 1905 to a Jewish diplomat and then had a son born in Iran before probably dying in the death camps with her husband during WWII. So how does the website think it happened? You know a lot of the stuff on line is done by people with no basis in reality. I have a site that consistantly talks about a son born in 1781 to a father who died in 1759. There must be over 30 messages discussing the son's family. They all parrot the connection to the father and not one of them said wait a minute something is wrong here. The son was born 22 years after the father died. Julia [email protected]

> > > > > I have a 1920 census record which says a specific man was born in > > > > > Russia/Poland and emigrated in 1905. His parents were both also > > > > > born in Russia/Poland, and the native language of both is Hebrew. > > > > > His wife was born in Pa, her father in Russia/Poland native language > > > > > Hebrew and her mother born in Hungary native language Hungarian > > > > > (struck-through and Magyar written above). > > > > > > > > > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > As usual for me, I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, > > > > > > > > Lisa Lepore > > > > > > I was hoping for an itemized list of the things that could deduced > > > from the information quoted. > > > > > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> > > > > Cheryl, why don't you list what you think could be deduced and let > > us critique. > > > > bob gillis > > I wanted to know where others came out independently without the > influence of my thoughts. > > I see several have mentioned the conclusion I drew -- that the > family is Jewish -- and so the next opinion wanted is: > > How credible is it that this family is *descended* from German > Lutherans who arrived in Philadelphia in the early 1740s? > > It's immaterial to my research whether they are *related*, only > whether they are DESCENDED. > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> My immedeiate thought was no, not very credible, but then I started thinking..... I don't know much about Pennsylvania Lutherans and Jews. I had a look to see if there was a Jewish population in Philadelphia that early. According to the Pennsylvania State Archives page http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/pahist/quaker.asp?secid=31 "There was a significant Jewish population in colonial Pennsylvania. Its Mikveh Israel Congregation was established in Philadelphia in 1740." Based only on the 1920 census info, it doesn't seem likely they would be DESCENDED from German Lutherans, but how can we know if the info stated there was correct? You didn't mention if we are looking at the man or his wife? The wife's mother didn't speak Hebrew on that census. There is a period of 180 yrs between the census and 1740. What if a Jewish person went to PA c. 1740, but left descendants in Europe, it could then be possible these descendants, [the census couple's ancestors] made their way to Hungary, then on to the US again a couple of generations later. The original immigrant could have been Jewish but converted to Lutheran in the US at some point after arrival. Or, if we are talking about the wife's family, it was not clear from the census that they were Jewish. Is it possible some of your *German Lutherans* converted from Judaism? If it were me, I'd want a whole lot more information on the parents of the census couple before I wrote them off completely. Lisa "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]>