> How does one search for a specific Bible when the year of > printing, 1752 in Edinburgh, is known and the name of an owner from > 1908 is known? > > Barbara McLeod <1brown1blue@gmail.com> Perhaps a clarification? John FULTON owned the Bible 1908. He has died. Descendants do not know what became of the Bible owned by John FULTON. Any guidance as to searches for this Bible, if it still exists, is appreciated. Barbara Mac "Barbara McLeod" <1brown1blue@gmail.com>

> In researching our roots, I find my Great Grandfather Philip > Showalter was adopted. =A0I have only the surname of his natural > father, which is Winehold, and am currently trying to identify him > further. > > Genealogically speaking, am I a Winehold or a Showalter? =A0Or equally > both? =A0Or what? > > edroid <jshowal...@gmail.com> Depends entirely on how you define it. Is he your Paternal Great Grandfather or your Maternal Great Grandfather? Is you descent from him through an all male line? These and other variables will determine the outcome. KLautenschlaugher@gmail.com

> In researching our roots, I find my Great Grandfather Philip > Showalter was adopted. I have only the surname of his natural > father, which is Winehold, and am currently trying to identify him > further. > > Genealogically speaking, am I a Winehold or a Showalter? Or equally > both? Or what? > > edroid <jshowalter@gmail.com> Technically, you are what you choose to be. Anybody can use any name they choose so long as it's not for illegal purposes. Since you show your name as Showalter I would assume that's the name all your male line ancestors used including GG Grandfather. Thus that's the name you inherited. Obviously genetically Winehold is in there but there are no laws forbidding you, or your ancestors, from using either. MickG Mick Gurling <mick01@verizon.net>

> In researching our roots, I find my Great Grandfather Philip > Showalter was adopted. I have only the surname of his natural > father, which is Winehold, and am currently trying to identify him > further. > > Genealogically speaking, am I a Winehold or a Showalter? Or equally > both? Or what? > > edroid <jshowalter@gmail.com> Ah, the twists and turns in the hunt for our ancestral lineages. I have a similar situation, only a generation earlier than yours. Strictly speaking, you are a WINEHOLD if the connection is an all male lineage. That said, and the fact that this was your GG father, the amount of WINEHOLD blood is rather small. Thus, you might as well consider yourself as a SHOWALTER. Genealogically speaking, this revelation simply adds another avenue to be explored. All it really means is that you should consider researching both lines --- I would not place significant effort in the adoption family as it does not affect your blood line. A couple of generations is probably all that is necessary. OTOH, you should continue to pursue the WINEHOLD branch. If you find that you are not making progress, put it aside and make a separate study of it later. (I put mine aside for nearly 30 years.) The trick is to always keep it in mind when looking for other data. Happy successful hunting! Regards, Arnold <><><><><<><><><><><><> Arrowhead Images <surveyor999@a-znet.com> <><><><><<><><><><><><> My family crest is a shield with a crossed knife and fork over a dinner plate.

In researching our roots, I find my Great Grandfather Philip Showalter was adopted. I have only the surname of his natural father, which is Winehold, and am currently trying to identify him further. Genealogically speaking, am I a Winehold or a Showalter? Or equally both? Or what? edroid <jshowalter@gmail.com>

John FULTON of Crawford County, PA, in 1908 owned a family Bible but it has disappeared and family members do not know what happened to it. Are there web sites that list family bibles that have been found? How does one search for a specific Bible when the year of printing, 1752 in Edinburgh, is known and the name of an owner from 1908 is known? Thanks for any help. Barbara Mac "Barbara McLeod" <1brown1blue@gmail.com>

I just saw there was a search toolbar from Ancestry. Does it do anything better than the normal search tools in Ancestry and google, altavista, etc. In other words, is it worth the hassle of installing and uninstalling if you don't want it. Keith nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>

> The soc.genealogy.methods moderator wrote: > > > Re commercial spam, don't beat him up too badly about that. > > It may not be a spammed website, but it's certainly a useless one. > > I'm at least a decade past the point where I can benefit by being > told that there is ONE website out there that mentions someone with > the surname I typed in. > > Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> That site is likely the king of junk and useless data... I found my previous site listed: >Denis Beauregard Genealogy Page >Resource Details >Type: Web Page >Discovered: 11/Jul/1999 >[ Internal Use Only: resource 5764 ] >Last Visited: 23/Oct/2008 (Failed: 404) >View Online: http://www.cam.org/~beaur/gen/welcome.html I abandoned that URL in 1999... Denis -- Denis Beauregard - genealogiste mrite (FQSG) Les Francais d'Amerique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ French in North America before 1722 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ Sur cdrom 1770 - On CD-ROM to 1770 Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid>

The soc.genealogy.methods moderator wrote: > Re commercial spam, don't beat him up too badly about that. It may not be a spammed website, but it's certainly a useless one. I'm at least a decade past the point where I can benefit by being told that there is ONE website out there that mentions someone with the surname I typed in. -- Wes Groleau The Silent Way: Philosophy, Charts, and Rods http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/russell?itemid=425 Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org>

The soc.genealogy.methods moderator wrote: >[...] the double postings were caused by how articles > cross-posted to moderated groups are processed: they > are e-mailed to the moderator for approval.[...] For the avoidance of my doubt - you are saying that cross-posts don't get through to un-moderated groups until (and unless?) the moderator(s) of any moderated groups included in the cross-post list has(have) passed them as acceptable? [ Yes, precisely. This is to prevent posters, and particularly spammers, from being able to override a moderator simply by cross-posting to an unmoderated group. So when you cross-post to a number of groups, including a moderated group, expect your post to be delayed by the usual moderator delay. - Mod (of soc.genealogy.methods) ] myths@ic24.net (cecilia)

> Live Roots (http://www.liveroots.com/) is a free genealogy search > engine that allows visitors to search through thousands of database > titles from subscription sites, books publishers and a variety of > online websites. Live Roots also lets you browse through the latest > database, book and website releases in its "Discover" feature, which > is updated daily. > > illyad <illya@daddezio.com> Twice in 2 days. That constitutes Spamming. [ As I noted in Bob Melson's post, that's actually my fault rather than Illya's. Again, sorry about that. - Mod (of soc.genealogy.methods) ] Mick Gurling <mick01@verizon.net>

[Posted and mailed] In article <ge7tu0$qna$1@askin-17.linkpendium.com>, illyad <illya@daddezio.com> writes: > > Live Roots (http://www.liveroots.com/) is a free genealogy search No takers from yesterday's multi-postings, eh? Could be that you're viewed as a spammer. You might want to (correctly) post this to soc.genealogy.marketplace, where is belongs and is acceptable, rather than on the discussion groups, where such offers of goods and services are frowned on. [ All, the double postings were caused by how articles cross-posted to moderated groups are processed: they are e-mailed to the moderator for approval. So when Illya posted, so far as he could tell, nothing happened. So he reposted, leaving out soc.genealogy.methods. I came along later, hadn't noticed he'd posted again, and approved his original post. Sorry about that. Re commercial spam, don't beat him up too badly about that. The historical standard has been that *announcements* by commercial firms are vaguely OK, so long as they aren't offensively commercial and don't show up more often than monthly. Routine and repetitive marketing, of course, does belong in soc.genealogy.marketplace. Cheers, Mod (of soc.genealogy.methods) ] -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net (Robert Melson)

Live Roots (http://www.liveroots.com/) is a free genealogy search engine that allows visitors to search through thousands of database titles from subscription sites, books publishers and a variety of online websites. Live Roots also lets you browse through the latest database, book and website releases in its "Discover" feature, which is updated daily. illyad <illya@daddezio.com>

Higher Education World University Guide Schools - Colleges - Universities: Alumni and Genealogy Education, http://www.academic-genealogy.com/schoolscollegesuniversities.htm now includes comprehensive University list, noted among the top 500 best ranked sites, with A to Z indexes. Each country or national designation has academic country studies, from major universities or area study groups. National education resources and key links are included, to connect with local libraries and their regional subject guides, allowing total overview from the largest and earliest originating Universities and research sources. All Universities and Higher Education Institutions have connective Wikipedia sites, providing thereby links to notable student organizations and notable people, as well as key organizations and systems. Regional Genealogy and Local History Research: Local History and Genealogy Portals to the World, http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regionalgenealogy.htm has just been updated to reflect the state of the art in culture, genealogy, history and politics combined. New sites include Intute: Science, Engineering and Technology - World Guide, for over 270 countries and territories: interactive world maps, satellite photos, scrollable city images, and comparison of data statistics between selected countries. Every country is appropriately evaluated by regional sub sections, using connective links to all related sites. All English Wikipedia country articles are further combined, on a selected country by country basis, with key articles in the related language edition of Wikipedia. Separate country profiles, country portals, US Library of Congress portals to the world, are all provided, as connected with country demographics, genealogy, population, general Internet sites, key history, regional and family history organizations. Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Listed in Who's Who in America: (Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004) Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry http://groups.google.com/group/Family-Genealogy-and-History-Internet-Education-Directory/web/family-genealogy-and-history-internet-education-directory?hl=en family-living <vctinney@sbcglobal.net>

I'm not even sure whether this was legal at the time, but would appreciate helpful strategies to investigate. The marriages were not simultaneous, of course. I'm looking at two ladies, a mother called Estelle/Stella Cooper Gay and her daughter Margaret Cooper Gay. Both were born in Kentucky in 1875 and 1900, respectively. Estelle was previously married to Stonewall Gay in Kentucky. He either died or the couple were divorced sometime after 1904. Both ladies appear to have married a German fellow called Horst Von Der Goltz (who was not Margaret's father) in New Jersey (the mother) and possibly New York (the daughter). I have a marriage date and place for Estelle via her 1923 US passport application (17 Mar 1923 in Weehawken NJ). No death date for Estelle seems readily available. Her passport application fibs about her true age and lists her daughter, the witness, as a sister; so does the 1920 federal census, by the way. No marriage date seems available for Margaret (or Peggy as she was sometimes known), though she and Horst are referred to as husband and wife in two New York Times news articles from 1932 and 1933. When Horst registered for WWII in 1943 Peggy is listed as the person who will always know his whereabouts, and lives at the same address as Horst. This is helpful but not conclusive for a marriage. I haven't been able to locate Horst and Margaret in the 1930 census, which would give the ages of the husband and wife when they first married, and would be better proof that a marriage took place. Horst didn't die until 1969. A divorce must have occurred (assuming there was a marriage) because Margaret died in 1957 as the wife of Francis Smulders in Connecticut. Any suggestions for pursuing viable leads to prove Margaret's marriage to Horst? Were there any laws in effect that might have precluded a marriage to one's stepdaughter? Many thanks for any suggestions. ---- saki@ucla.edu http://sakionline.net/familypage

> <snip> > > In HTML is it possible to create an HTML file(hyper linked files) > that would be linked to the individual files in the directories. If > done this way the HTML files could contain a description of the > information being accessed with a hot link. > > Question: Could the directory with the genealogy information and > HTML files be copied to a DVD, with out losing the links? (I never > really solved this with the production documents.) > > Question: What would be the easiest way to maintain these files, > Word Perfect, Quatro pro, etc. > > Keith nuttle Yes you should be able to copy to DVD or CD and have links work - do it as follows Have a folder with the master index.htm or index.html. Then the document folders placed within the index html folder. Then you can use relative links such as <a href="images/index.htm"> or <a href="images/pic1.jpg"> That is avoid links that look like <a href="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Setting MS Word can be used but if you plan to put on Web then Word creates rather bloated html code not good performance wise. I don't know about Word Perfect or Quatro - I have linked with Excel but found it ponderous. I use Frontpage for my work - it does very easy hyperlink using the Title of the File you link to But Kompozer is free and works well also. http://kompozer.sourceforge.net/ I just tested linking with it from scratch. Open a new file - save it as index in master folder. make sure your doc folder is within master folder. Now click the Kompzoer link icon. Enter a Title in the link text box and click the browse icon next to link location and open folder and click file you want. Now Save the file again and open in browser and see how it works. NOTE: important to Save file before linking else you do not get relative links -- Ron Lankshear - Sydney Aust (from London- Shepherds Bush & Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ Ron Lankshear <ronlank@hotmail.com>

> However in going the other way, everything is dependent on me > remembering that file XYZ contains information on GreatX fathers > draft records. > > How do others working in genealogy organize all of this supporting > documentation? > > I have thought about a something like dBase or Access but want > something that is software independent? > > Keith nuttle Try googling for document management. There are a number of open source alternatives. One of them may suit. By "software independent" I assume you mean that it will deal with different document formats - .pdf, .odt, etc. Any application which simply stores the document as a blob (binary large object), will have this property but as it won't be able to make sense of the contents you'll have to provide all the indexing. A good many document managers, however, will be able to index the contents of common file formats but this depends on them having a module for the format in question. Most popular formats, including PDF, are normally covered but not all - I don't think any of them make provision for the Lotus word processor. There are also a number of desktop search applications about. These will allow you to to locate text in any of the common file formats on your PC; they may be both more (by not constricting themselves to your genealogical records) and less (by not allowing you to provide your own keys) then you were looking for. -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk>

> Rumors of Cherokee on both sides of my father's family. Have my > grandmothers mtDNA sequence from np 16.001 to 16,683 > (electrophernogram). Is there any way to search this sequence > against knowns on-line? > > 0aerothree3@gmail.com The company who did the test might be able to help you there. Or, one company evidently puts the matches on-line (a remark occasioned by being told that x was reported as a perfect match for (someone's name here). ). Other than that, was your father's maternal line ever in the Cherokee area? If they were from Louisiana, the chances are slim; if they were from North Caroline, the chances are good (I was tempted to say "fat" as opposed to slim, but decided it could be too-easily misunderstood...). Cheryl singhals <singhals@erols.com>

> > How do others working in genealogy organize all of this supporting > > documentation? > > > > I have thought about a something like dBase or Access but want > > something that is software independent? > > Keith nuttle wrote: > > I decided on a web site - I think html could be said to be software > independent - it will work in any browser on any platform MAC or > Windows or Linux > > The basic structure for my Lankshear family is a Events by year page > with a link to a page on the person and then links to what data > files I have ..... > > Then surname pages for families they married etc > > I use this on my PC as a research tool but I have also loaded to web > and many cousins have found it and contact me and add to my data. > > Ron Lankshear I wish to thank every one for their ideas and had already incorporated some of them into my directory structures and file naming conventions. However the idea of the HTML files is interesting, but I have some questions. In the past I used an HTML file for the document index to the documents use in a production facility. The documents were number and had a title descriptions. I hot linked the document number to the document file. That was system was dependent on the directory structure and location where the documents were stored. As I remember it was a hassle to add new documents and change files in the system. In HTML is it possible to create an HTML file(hyper linked files) that would be linked to the individual files in the directories. If done this way the HTML files could contain a description of the information being accessed with a hot link. Question: Could the directory with the genealogy information and HTML files be copied to a DVD, with out losing the links? (I never really solved this with the production documents.) Question: What would be the easiest way to maintain these files, Word Perfect, Quatro pro, etc. Keith Nuttle Keith nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>

> I started out creating family subdirectories, and storing the > different kinds of files in their own subdirectories. ie. Barlet/ > census data; Barlet/documents; etc. > > I use Family Tree maker to collect my genealogical information and > have no problem in getting from an person's death to the > documentation supporting the data for the death. > > However in going the other way, everything is dependent on me > remembering that file XYZ contains information on GreatX fathers > draft records. > > How do others working in genealogy organize all of this supporting > documentation? > > Keith nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> Keith, I organize my electronic sources similar to what you describe, but instead of a master directory for the surname that drills down to /documents, /census, etc. I organize the folders within each surname directory by person so that within the main BARLET folder I might have "BARLET, John" and "BARLET, Michael" as subdirectories and keep all of the records relevant to each in their respective folders. Wives I keep in their maiden surname directory and for common given names within the same directory I append the year of birth: "BARLET, John 1845" vs "BARLET, John 1890" This does mean that there is some duplication of record files since each person in a family group might have a copy of the same census record, etc, but the storage space implications have been fairly negligible and the intuitiveness of the filing system (for me anyway!) outweighs any extra disk space that is needed. You could always go with some kind of asset management software solution that has the advantage of being able to add keywords and browse visually, but, then that is another bunch of $$ to deal with! Hope this helps, Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.originsgenealogy.org Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org