emmydbd@yahoo.com writes: > I'm a little confused about cousins - once removed, twice removed. > What does that mean? Removed means one generation removed. Like your first cousin's child is your first cousin once removed.
> I'm a little confused about cousins - once removed, twice removed. > What does that mean? > > I have found cousins that are related down the line to my gggf. Are > they cousins or are they removed cousins? > > emmydbd The Wikipedia article on cousins has a good treatment of the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin and if you do a web search for something like 'cousin chart' or 'cousin calculator', you should come up with a number of ways to figure it out. The short explanation, though, is: -- (# of generations to common ancestors - 1) = 'degree' of cousinship That assumes that you and your have the same number of generations between you and the common ancestor. If not: -- Absolute value of((# of generations from you to common ancestor) - (# of generations from your cousin to the common ancestor)) = degrees of 'removal'. So... Simple example. My father's sister's daughter and I are first cousins. Our common ancestors are our grandparents, so there are two generations to the common ancestors. Her son and I are first cousins once removed, since the common ancestors are still my grandparents, who are his great-grandparents. So the removal is 1: ABS(2 - 3) Most genealogy software has built-in relationship calculators. -- Joe Makowiec http://makowiec.org/ Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org/ Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid>
> I'm a little confused about cousins - once removed, twice removed. > What does that mean? > > I have found cousins that are related down the line to my gggf. Are > they cousins or are they removed cousins? > > Thanks for the help, > Emmy emmydbd <emmydbd@yahoo.com> A cousin once removed, would be the relationship between you and your cousins child, e.g. one generation removed from being first cousins. If you start from the ancestor that is common to you and and the other person you count the number of generations you are both descendant from this ancestor. If it is 2 then you would be first cousins 3 second cousins 4 third cousins 5 fourth 6 fifth cousins If you were 4 generations from the common ancestor and the other person was 6 generations than you would be Third cousins, twice (or two generations) removed. Gerry <MeetMe@Three.com>
> I'm a little confused about cousins - once removed, twice removed. > What does that mean? > > I have found cousins that are related down the line to my gggf. Are > they cousins or are they removed cousins? > > Thanks for the help, > Emmy emmydbd <emmydbd@yahoo.com> The simplest way to explain 1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins vs. 1st cousins twice removed, three times removed, etc. is to look back to the common ancestor you and your cousins share and then count the number of number of generations from that common ancestor down to you and your cousin. If the number of generations is the SAME for each of you then you are 1st, 2nd cousins, etc. -- but if the number of generations differs then you are "removed" by the number of generations that differ. Example: Let's say you and cousin X share great-great-grandparents. This means your great-grandmother or greatgrandfather are siblings, and your grandparents are 1st cousins, your parents are 2nd cousins, and you are 3rd cousins. Your child and cousin X are 3rd cousins once removed--another generations has been added to one side only. Cousin X's child and your child would be 4th cousins. Got it? Joan JYoung6180@aol.com
Hi, I'm a little confused about cousins - once removed, twice removed. What does that mean? I have found cousins that are related down the line to my gggf. Are they cousins or are they removed cousins? Thanks for the help, Emmy emmydbd <emmydbd@yahoo.com>
First she or you should search and then subscribe to the three FTM lists on rootsweb, FTM-HELP, FTM and FTM-2008-HELP Keith Nuttle wrote: > I am working with a person who lost her disk. When the old version > of FTM was installed on the new disk, it would not run and it said it > was an old version. (Version number currently unknown). Consequently > she does not have access to years of research. Did she loose her Hard Disk, ie the HD failed, or lost a CD with her files on it? If her HD drive failed how did she recover the files on it? Did she ever backup her FTM file? > She bought a new FTM and is hesitant to install it as she does not > know what hassle she will have in importing the old FTM file into the > version she has. (Knowing about when her computer went down I assume > she has FTM 2008 or later. ) It sounds to me that she had a very old DOS version or old Windows, 3.1, version of FTM. If she could try to install the old version then she must have the floppy disks that it came on and should be able to read. the version number from the disk. > Will the FTM 2008 import all older versions of FTM files? FTM 2008 was a very clunky revisions and many older functions did not work. If she wants to remain with FTM, then she should get FTM-2009 where many of the problems in 2008 have been fixed. Or get a copy of FTM 16. bob gillis > Is there anything she should watch out for? > > I will recommend that she copy the old file to somewhere safe before > starting the new software. bob gillis <robertgillis@verizon.net>
> > I have some listings from an index of conveyances, one of which is > > from mother to her daughter in 1872. But in the Grantor Index this > > transaction is listed as "Mary A. Roberts by county auditor to Susan > > Ann Freeman." > > > > I don't have the actual deed on it - I am using what I found on the > > index to determine what deeds will help me most and what films I need > > to order. I've seen property in this county seized by the sheriff and > > sold, but not the county auditor. Can anyone tell me what this may > > mean? > > > > "Cheryl Freeman" <cheryl@genattic.com> > > What country, state, county? > > Gerry <MeetMe@Three.com> Sorry. USA, Richland County, SC.
> > > I am working with a person who lost her disk. When the old version > > > of FTM was installed on the new disk, it would not run and it said > > > it was an old version. (Version number currently unknown). > > > Consequently she does not have access to years of research. > > > > > > She bought a new FTM and is hesitant to install it as she does not > > > know what hassle she will have in importing the old FTM file into > > > the version she has. (Knowing about when her computer went down I > > > assume she has FTM 2008 or later. ) > > > > > > Will the FTM 2008 import all older versions of FTM files? > > > > > > Is there anything she should watch out for? > > > > > > I will recommend that she copy the old file to somewhere safe before > > > starting the new software. > > > > > > Keith Nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> > > > > Why wouldn't she create a gedcom and import into the new program? > > > > Better yet, forget FTM and go to Legacy or RootsMagic. > > > > "J. Hugh Sullivan" <Eagle@bellsouth.net> > > I'm guessing it's because her back up is in an FTM format, and not a > gedcom. > > "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@comcast.net> You may be right. At which point I say again, in my opinion each person should backup and have gedcom of every data base. It's only overkill when you don't make errors. Hugh Eagle@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan)
> > I have some listings from an index of conveyances, one of which is > > from mother to her daughter in 1872. But in the Grantor Index this > > transaction is listed as "Mary A. Roberts by county auditor to Susan > > Ann Freeman." > > Which states have County Auditors? Or is this in the UK? > > Cheryl Singhals Google gives Iowa, Ohio, Washington in the first few links searching on county auditor. So I added a state name, and found Oregon, California had them as well. Moving to names of eastern states, Deleware and Maryland produced results. I stopped looking at that point. myths@ic24.net (cecilia)
> I have some listings from an index of conveyances, one of which is > from mother to her daughter in 1872. But in the Grantor Index this > transaction is listed as "Mary A. Roberts by county auditor to Susan > Ann Freeman." > > I don't have the actual deed on it - I am using what I found on the > index to determine what deeds will help me most and what films I > need to order. I've seen property in this county seized by the > sheriff and sold, but not the county auditor. Can anyone tell me > what this may mean? > > "Cheryl Freeman" <cheryl@genattic.com> Which states have County Auditors? Or is this in the UK? Cheryl
> I have some listings from an index of conveyances, one of which is > from mother to her daughter in 1872. But in the Grantor Index this > transaction is listed as "Mary A. Roberts by county auditor to Susan > Ann Freeman." > > I don't have the actual deed on it - I am using what I found on the > index to determine what deeds will help me most and what films I > need to order. I've seen property in this county seized by the > sheriff and sold, but not the county auditor. Can anyone tell me > what this may mean? > > "Cheryl Freeman" <cheryl@genattic.com> What country, state, county?
> > I am working with a person who lost her disk. When the old version > > of FTM was installed on the new disk, it would not run and it said > > it was an old version. (Version number currently unknown). > > Consequently she does not have access to years of research. > > > > She bought a new FTM and is hesitant to install it as she does not > > know what hassle she will have in importing the old FTM file into > > the version she has. (Knowing about when her computer went down I > > assume she has FTM 2008 or later. ) > > > > Will the FTM 2008 import all older versions of FTM files? > > > > Is there anything she should watch out for? > > > > I will recommend that she copy the old file to somewhere safe before > > starting the new software. > > > > Keith Nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> > > Why wouldn't she create a gedcom and import into the new program? > > Better yet, forget FTM and go to Legacy or RootsMagic. > > "J. Hugh Sullivan" <Eagle@bellsouth.net> Hi Hugh, I'm guessing it's because her back up is in an FTM format, and not a gedcom. Lisa "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@comcast.net>
I have some listings from an index of conveyances, one of which is from mother to her daughter in 1872. But in the Grantor Index this transaction is listed as "Mary A. Roberts by county auditor to Susan Ann Freeman." I don't have the actual deed on it - I am using what I found on the index to determine what deeds will help me most and what films I need to order. I've seen property in this county seized by the sheriff and sold, but not the county auditor. Can anyone tell me what this may mean? Cheryl Freeman "Cheryl Freeman" <cheryl@genattic.com>
Keith Nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Will the FTM 2008 import all older versions of FTM files? Keith, I had been running both FTM v11 and PAF 5. FTM 2008 picked up and without incident installed files from both. I have Windows XPpro, SP2 if that info is useful. Barbara Mac Barbara McLeod <1brown1blue@gmail.com>
> I am working with a person who lost her disk. When the old version > of FTM was installed on the new disk, it would not run and it said > it was an old version. (Version number currently unknown). > Consequently she does not have access to years of research. > > She bought a new FTM and is hesitant to install it as she does not > know what hassle she will have in importing the old FTM file into > the version she has. (Knowing about when her computer went down I > assume she has FTM 2008 or later. ) > > Will the FTM 2008 import all older versions of FTM files? > > Is there anything she should watch out for? > > I will recommend that she copy the old file to somewhere safe before > starting the new software. > > Keith Nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> Why wouldn't she create a gedcom and import into the new program? Better yet, forget FTM and go to Legacy or RootsMagic. Hugh
I am working with a person who lost her disk. When the old version of FTM was installed on the new disk, it would not run and it said it was an old version. (Version number currently unknown). Consequently she does not have access to years of research. She bought a new FTM and is hesitant to install it as she does not know what hassle she will have in importing the old FTM file into the version she has. (Knowing about when her computer went down I assume she has FTM 2008 or later. ) Will the FTM 2008 import all older versions of FTM files? Is there anything she should watch out for? I will recommend that she copy the old file to somewhere safe before starting the new software. Keith Nuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
> > Otherwise I do not put the data in the database until I find other > > evidence > > I would put all of the information in my database, but as a > completely different person/family. Keep the information handy for > study and comparison. If I eventually resolved the issue, I could > then either merge the two, or delete the 'wrong' one. > > JoAnn ka7suz <ka7suz@concentric.net> Congrats on getting your Tech License 17 Sep 2008. Hugh
> Otherwise I do not put the data in the database until I find other > evidence I would put all of the information in my database, but as a completely different person/family. Keep the information handy for study and comparison. If I eventually resolved the issue, I could then either merge the two, or delete the 'wrong' one. JoAnn ka7suz <ka7suz@concentric.net>
> When do you decide that coincidence is just coincidence and > the fact that one finds the right name in the approximate > era in the right state is just that: coincidence? > > Vs > > ooooooooh! Lookit, I found a previously unknown wife for my > guy! OK, he's in the wrong part of the state, and nothing > else matches, but the name's right, and it's within 5 years > of the known marriage ... > > ??? > > Cheryl Singhals <singhals@erols.com> Actually, I thought you were being tongue-in-cheek, Cheryl :-D I taught a genie class once which included trip to a FHC. I could not gently convince a lady that the guy in the microfilm was hers because he did not spell the surname the same way ... yes, both the director and I tried to persuade her to consider, but she was adamant... Never-the-less, if this was a more serious question that I first thought, I believe I would study the neighborhood, look at the 'cluster' to see if I recognized anyone else. JoAnn ka7suz <ka7suz@concentric.net>
Bob Melson wrote: > that's how the name-collectors do "genealogy" The BBC programme "Yes Minister" introduced the politician's syllogism: "Something must be done. This is something therefore it must be done". I sometimes think there's a genealogist's syllogism: "I need a name here. This is a name therefore it must go here.". -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk Ian Goddard <goddai01@hotmail.co.uk>