> Is there a listing somewhere of cities and towns that take their own > censuses (not connected with U.S. censuses) and how to access this > information? > > I asked this question recently but maybe people didn't notice > because I was also answering someone else's question. > > Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu> In a word, yes. They are called CITY and / or COUNTY directories. They were very common before the "Yellow Pages" came into being. As the telephone grew in popularity, most businesses included these mumbers in their ads. In most cases, these directories were published on a regular bases (and still are) ­ usually yearly. They are an amazing source of good data! Cheers -- <><><><><><><><><><><> Arrowhead Images <aepalmer@a-znet.com> <><><><><><><><><><><> In the world of mules, There are no rules. (Ogden Nash)

> Thank you for the information. Do I understand correctly that the > LDS have filmed these passport applications? I have the passport > number issued in the 1930s. Can you give me some hints on pulling > up the film # on familysearch.org? Is the source the US Govt? > > "Gloria" elstonwe@worldnet.att.net Gloria: On familysearch.org, enter keyword 'passport' and then access Passport, United States. Records are only through 1924. I searched the National Archives, search term 'Passport' and found that Passport Applications after 1925 to the present are with the US Department of State. Here is the link to get passports: http://travel.state.gov/passport_records.html Here is an excerpt re. Third Party Applications for a passport; hope you have a death certificate! Third party requests must include one of the following: (1) authorization of consent from the owner of the passport records, (2) proof of guardianship, (3) death certificate, or (4) court order signed by a judge of competent jurisdiction requesting the Department of State to release passport records. The only exception to this requirement is when the owner of the passport records was born 100 years or more ago. Your third party request does not have to be notarized but should include the information described in the section above that covers requesting your own record and a $45.00 search fee for each individual for whom a record search is requested. Checks or money orders should be made payable to "Department of State". Glee Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>

>I have a question regarding individuals that are "unconnected". >Everyone has their share, I'm sure, of records of individuals who >share the same surname, are in the general location, but are as of >yet "Unconnected" to your lines. How do you keep track of them?? > >I have a rather unique surname, and am on the verge of starting a >One Name Study. I collect every instance of my surname that I come >across, but now I'm wondering how to organize them. I use FTM for >my personal lineage, but as its lineage-based I don't see it working >for this.....Any suggestions?? > >"Jen McKemie" <jmckemie@mindspring.com> >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mckemie Hi, Jen. Hope I'm not too late in answering you question about software for a one-name study. I have a hard time reading all the messages on this & other lists I subscribe to. I'm weeding through the backlog. If you haven't already made a decision, I suggest you take a look at Bygones. This is a freeware non-lineage-linked genealogy program designed specifically for entering research notes. It consists of several databases that work together to cut down on your time entering data. It is not designed to replace lineage-linked software such as Family Tree Maker (FTM). In fact, it makes it easy to organize your data & transfer it to a lineage-linked program. At least one group of researchers is using it for a large one-name study and a small one, and you can probably get suggestions from them. Also be sure to read the Bygones list for messages about how they use it. I haven't used it for a one-name study, but it's an awesome program with all kinds of great features. It's also ideal for keeping track of data for people you can't yet relate to your families or those you eventually find do NOT connect. If you take a laptop to a library or other repository for research, Bygones can help your organize and complete your research. Here's the URL for the Bygones program: http://www.bygonessoftware.com/ [Notice that the developer has included on-line "tutorials" for the program.] Here's where to subscribe to the Bygones list: Bygones-Users-L@rootsweb.com Laurie

bev wrote: > My search is for Mary Louise Anderson, b. 1870 in Eddyville Ky. > Parents were Allen Latham Anderson (known as "latham"), and > Sarah/Sallie Douglass Rencher m. 1864 > > Latham was son to Charles Anderson, one time gov of Ohio, who built > "Soldiers Retreat" and Kuttawa, Ky. He was also a UNION officer in > the Civil War in CA., AZ., NM > > Sarah/Sallie was daughter to one time gov of New Mexico, Abraham > Rencher. She came from a staunch CONFEDERATE family based in N. C. > > Latham died in 1910 in Santa Barbara, Ca. at "his prior residence" > (from obit) Obits state "he leaves a wife and daughter back east". > > No will is on file in Santa Barbara Ca. He was buried in Kuttawa, > Lyon Co., Ky. No will or probate on file. > > Sallie Rencher Anderson died in 1934. She is buried in the Rencher > plot at St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church, Pittsboro, N. C. along > with the rest of her (Rencher) family. NO documents in the local > court house record her death, or any estate. Are NC death records filed at the county level or at the state level? > Neither Latham, Sarah/Sallie nor Mary Louise show up in ANY census > for the years 1880, 1920, or 1930. There seems to be no online > record of Mary Louise being married. Are you saying that you have found them in the 1900 and 1910 Census? For the 1880 Census find the CD version of the LDS Census transcription and search there. The CD search engine is much better at finding name variations than the on-line version. You can search for L* Anderson born ? (assuming you know his birth date). Or M* Anderson born 1870. bob gillis bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

Could someone please explain the difference in State and Federal Census to me. Was the State census taken in every state and how often. I seem to only find Fedral Census when I go to the Library. Thank you Iris iriscrall@att.net

> My ancestor, Margaret Fletcher Davis, was born April, 1841 in either > AL or GA to William Thomas Davis, some sources say her mother was > Jane Black, her death certificate states mother: A. Darce b. > Scotland, the 1880 census gives GA as the birthplace of her mother. > I cannot find William Thomas Davis in any census. Could someone > give me the best paths to take in my search for the parents of > Margaret Davis. > > Carol "James Burke" <jburke@mail.newnanutilities.org> Regarding whether her maiden name was Black or Darce: look at WHO provided the death certificate information. Was it an immediate family member likely to know her maiden name, or was it given by a neighbor or someone else whose knowledge might be suspect. Also DARCE is not so common a name. Where are Darce's found?? Good luck!! Cap'n John "Cap'n John" <capnjohn@sgi.net>

I came across an article in our local newspaper today about lawsuits filed between 1814 and 1860 by slaves seeking their freedom. The St. Louis Circuit Court Historical Records Project consists of about 280 legal documents. Images of handwritten documents are included. Website is: http://stlcourtrecords.wustl.edu/ Maybe someone will find this of interest. Patricia Ferguson <teacher36870@yahoo.com>

Richard A. Pence fed this fish to the penguins: > Thanks, Dennis, for the update. I have been told that the > "Ephemeris" is scarce (all I have are photocopies of portions of the > "Explanatory Supplement" that someone was kind enough to send me). The current "Explanatory Supplement" is listed on Amazon.com -- Whoa... I don't recall paying US$76 for it (then again, it was bought via the former Astronomy Book Club). Hmm, the page shows a link to the Calendrical Calculations book... "Calendrical Calculation: The Millenium Edition" at US$110 !!!! Ah.. a paperback version is only $40. The "Astronomical Almanac" itself is published annually (it only covers the year). The 2003 edition lists for $55. (You can get it and the Supplement combined for $131 <G>) The "Nautical Almanac" shows as a paperback " Book Description The cornerstone for all celestial navigation, listing the celestial bodies used for navigation, a sight reduction table, and other information valuable to the offshore navigator. The content of this edition is identical to the United States Naval Observatory edition. Paradise Cay Publications is the only entity in the United States other than the US Government legally authorized to publish the full contents of the Nautical Almanac. The Nautical Almanac Commercial Edition retails for 38% less than the Government edition. " <somebody! log me off before I start buying stuff at Amazon!> -- > ============================================================== < > wlfraed@ix.netcom.com | Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG < > wulfraed@dm.net | Bestiaria Support Staff < > ============================================================== < > Bestiaria Home Page: http://www.beastie.dm.net/ < > Home Page: http://www.dm.net/~wulfraed/ <

Hello All, I recently returned from a talk given by INS historian Marian Smith, who discussed US passenger arrival records and US Naturalization records. This event was presented by the Colorado Genealogical Society and was held at the Denver Public Library. I took a whole lot of notes and added some new details to my "Finding US Naturalization Records" webpage... Finding US Naturalization Records (a genealogy guide) http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/naturalizationrecords.html Should you get a chance to hear Marian Smith speak I highly recommend that you attend. She has an excellent discussion about US immigration records from the viewpoint of someone who works with them nearly every day. Good luck with your searches. Regards, Joe joe@genesearch.com

I've found this web site: http://www.calle.com/world/italy/index.html particularly helpful in European maps -- this one is for Italy, just pick the first two letters of the city/village name then find it in the listing. If you want places outside of Italy, just drop the "italy/index.html" from the web address, e.g., http://www.calle.com/world/ then pick your country. > I was hoping that someone has a good website on maps. I am > particularly interested in viewing maps on Italy. I would like > the map to provide the details of the towns, and which province > they would be in. > > "Linda" <opal1203@snet.net> Another excellent site is http://www.calle.com/world/ -- just click on the country you're interested in. Then type in the name of the city/village and you'll get a road map that you can zoom in/out on with the geographic grid, etc. Hope this helps. Mike "M&J" <mjmjcm@socket.net>

> I was asking info on the whale fishing and NC not too long ago, I > found a document, or rather part of one, well, I am too excited here > goes: > > My ancestor Samuel Leonard was supposed to be a judge or something, > he went into whaling for awhile before deciding to settle in > Brunswick area NC. There are both a Samuel and a Henry Leonard > listed in the early Brunswick Tax lists. Seems from this, Samuel and > Henry both went into whaling!! Here is what I found, > > New Jersey Colonial Documents > > 1678-9 Feb 14- Charter for a Whalefishing Company consisting > of Joseph Huet, Thomas Ingram, Richard Davis, Isaac Bennet, > Randall Huet, Thomas Huet, Henry Leonard, Samuel Leonard, John > Whitlock, John Crafford, Thomas Applegate andCharles Dennis. 152 > > 1678-9 Feb 14- Proclamation concerning the Whalefishing Company. 152 > > "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com> This Samuel was probably a grandfather. Anyway, they did go into whaling at some point. dena

> While I'm surfing the net or worse yet when I'm trying to get > particular information--the particular screen that I'm viewing > begins to degrade. Seemingly, after the process is noted, the only > effective way of correcting it is to exit to a completely different > program. The degrading is manifested by the breakdown of text > and/or graphics and builds that breakdown by perpetuating unsettled > screen images and text over text to a point where there is nothing > recognizable. Can you help? D.A.V.E P.I.E.R.C.E > > ADrjamtg@cs.com Possibilities: if you have more than one program open, or have looked at several images, it could be using up a lot of (video) memory, which can make the pages either completely not load, or act crazy. try restarting your computer, & get a fresh connection. Mine, if I remember correctly is a Pentium 1 and it does that sometimes. Also could be a program clash with something on your computer. Two programs that don't mix well, or maybe use the same file. Like for instance, if I have IE open, OExpress, and another program, then try to open Family Tree Maker, sometimes I get an error message and FTM will NOT open till I restart. Especially if I have tried to have a couple of web pages open, or have been looking thru census images. Mine was even having trouble with the registry on first startup after using MSN messenger and Yahoo Messenger, which I uninstalled and solved that problem. (I am running Win 98) Just a thought, hope it helps somehow, dena "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com>

Any help on determining a half or full Indian on census or was that unheard of? Any other clues to finding an Indian before 1880? Would have to be possibly in 1850s 1860s generations. gggrp. thanks, dena (I KNOW there was one there somewhere in our family, but can't find them ANYWHERE!!!!) "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com>

> I cannot reply to the list. I have recently switched servers and > this is my ONLY list that comes to me as a newsgroup. My system > will not let me reply to it unless I create a new e-mail and type in > the e-mail addy. Anyone got any ideas? I am using Verizon DSL and > we are using Microsoft Outlook for our e-mail. > > [ You can subscribe to and post to GENMTD-L at RootsWeb just like > any other RootsWeb list. Alternatively, you can email posts to > this address: > soc-genealogy-methods@linkpendium.com > - Mod ] > > Amy > Hunting.Family@verizon.net I use these guys http://news.fu-berlin.de/ - usenet news service and chose the ISP which is cheapest Hugh W -- http://www.genealogi.co.uk my home page "Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@net.dialog.dk>

Hi I have an interest in history of United States Naval Fighting Ships. This is a hobby of mine, that I've grown into over the years. What I really enjoy doing is researching U.S. Navy Fighting ships of WW I & II, and even prior to that period, compiling the information, and e-mailing the results to individuals that request the history. Of course I never charge for this service.....it is completely free. The material that I compile comes form severakl sources, of which I have no problem quoting such sources. I usually pull large amounts of material from DANFS [Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships], this is intermixed with information that I attain from other manuals I have. If you would care to visit my web page it will describe my hobby in somewhat more detail. http://www.angelfire.com/in/shiphistory/ then click on the "MOUNT HOOD STORY" for a sample of the history that I send to individuals. Of course if you would rather just e-mail me mailto:cshortridge@comcast.net I'll usually reply in a reasonable time and let you know what I can do for you. I have sent many a history request to many individuals on the web, so if you would like to check me out.....please do so. Like I said.......it is all free.....no strings of "any" kind. I can usually provide ship history up to about 1970. I wish you well Bud "Bud" <cshortridge@comcast.net>

HI: I will be attending two family reunions this summer. I'm the family historian and have traced all 4 sides of my family. I'd like to put my information in a format that will interest more of my relatives, who mostly are more interested in socializing than finding out who their ancestors were. Does anyone have methods of packaging their genealogy that have captured the interest of the younger family members? Thanks for all help. KBerry See my Berry/Long/Brown genealogy Web site: <A HREF="http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/e/r/Karin-D-Berry/index.html?Welcome=1045932827">Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: User Home Pages: Moses Berry: A Kentucky Soldier's Journey to Freedom</A> Kdberr1@aol.com

Richard A. Pence wrote: >... The instructions are online and say >this: <Quotes snipped> Yes. After I posted I went and looked. Sorry - my tale appears to be ill-founded. What my friend told me (a few months after the 1970 census) was that when she had asked the enumerator about the race of her children, the enumerator had produced a book as large as a bible, half of which appeared to be about race. Even allowing for her exaggeration and my faulty interpretation at the time, and my memory since, I feel that the "book" has not been reproduced on-line. Which makes me curious as to what it was. I will come across the answer one of these days. ( I have found that answers generally come without too much effort on my part. I call it the Piccadilly Circus effect.) myths@ic24.net

richardpence@pipeline.com writes: > Edith, in that time frame (1860-1870) the parents would likely not > be in the record unless she was still a minor and needed their > consent. That is still certainly worth the try. Richard, In Virginia the marriage registers often listed both sets of parents in that time frame. I don't know about other states. Edith ECFensom@aol.com

:> <ECFensom@aol.com> wrote: :> :> > Have you found a marriage record for Margaret Fletcher Davis? :> > That should list her parents' names. :> :> Edith, in that time frame (1860-1870) the parents would likely not :> be in the record unless she was still a minor and needed their :> consent. That is still certainly worth the try. :> :> "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> And in most of the marriage records I've seen here in Alabama, the parents of bride or groom are not included anywhere on the marriage license forms -- including some in the latter 1800s. = Steve = -- Steve W. Jackson Montgomery, Alabama "Steve W. Jackson" <stevewjackson@charter.net>

They may not have direct, obvious genealogical value, but don't dismiss farm schedules entirely -- they can sometimes add to the preponderance of evidence, or at least point you toward investigating THIS potential ancestor before investigating THAT potential match. Two men with a common name (William Day) lived in adjacent counties. Both men's wives had the same name (Bessie and Elizabeth), both were of approximately the same age, either could have been the father of Thomas Day. Since solving the problem meant tracking descendants and piecing together an argument from non-standard sources (i.e., no vital records or wills or post-1850 census showing the full family group), I wanted something to point me in the right direction to avoid, if possible, having to piece together two extended familes. The farm schedules showed that one man's major crop was sweet potatoes, while the other's major crop was white potatoes. Thomas also grew sweet potatoes, so I concentrated on "Sweet Potato William" on the theory that Thomas may have preferred the food he had grown up with, or learned his father's farming techniques, or simply had fallen into his crop out of unthinking habit. The direct evidence for this William came from documents found in a granddaughter's surrogate's court file. If I hadn't found the direct evidence, though, but had had to rely on a mass of circumstantial evidence after having thoroughly investigating both Williams, the matching crop would have been one more -- admittedly minor -- addition to that evidence. As it was, the farm schedule clue saved me time by steering me in the right direction. And as for *family* history, wow! The first farm-type census questions I came across were part of the New York state census for 1825 and 1835. For a generation and place where it is almost impossible to learn anything personal about women, I was tickled to see responses to the questions about how many yards of various types of fabrics had been manufactured in the home the previous year. Who was doing that spinning and weaving and fulling if not my grandmother and her daughters? That yardage -- plus the existence of the child who grew up to be my ancestor -- are the only concrete, documented details I have about how my grandmother spent her days. I love farm schedules. Ardis Parshall Orem, UT AEParshall@aol.com