-- snip -- > > AEPalmer- > > While these directories are a fabulous resource, and should not be > overlooked, I thought they were published privately. Are you saying > they used those local census to compile the directories? > > I think Carol is asking about the yearly (in some places) census > that are taken by cities and towns, and were the results available > to the public. > > I always wondered about this myself, but since I don't have any > ancestors in the cities and towns that conducted a census, I never > looked into it. I have filled out census questionaires in 3 > different Massachusetts communities, including Boston. I have never > seen them mentioned as genealogical resource material. > > Lisa <llepore@juno.com> Yes, those city/county directories are privately published, But having been lucky enough to have been interviewed by one of these census takers, they ask nearly identical questions as the federal census takers do. Cheers - -- <><><><><><><><><><><> Arrowhead Images <aepalmer@a-znet.com> <><><><><><><><><><><> Q: Why do airplanes have propellers? A: To keep the pilot cool! (And if you don't believe me, watch him sweat when it stops turning!)

> I will be attending two family reunions this summer. I'm the family > historian and have traced all 4 sides of my family. I'd like to put > my information in a format that will interest more of my relatives, > who mostly are more interested in socializing than finding out who > their ancestors were. > > Does anyone have methods of packaging their genealogy that have > captured the interest of the younger family members? > > Kdberr1@aol.com At recent meetings of our Genealogy and computers group, the leader has given ideas on using pdf files, Adobe Acrobat, to present a family history with links, pictures, sound tracks etc. You can have say a picture pop up if you pass the cursor over the name and if you click on the picture you can have a sound track play. If you click on the name it gives you another picture. You can do similar things in html using output from a genealogy program. Set up a computer with sound and let the kids play with the story. bob gillis bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

Dena wrote: > Any help on determining a half or full Indian on census or was that > unheard of? Any other clues to finding an Indian before 1880? > Would have to be possibly in 1850s 1860s generations. gggrp. First off, is it safe to assume you're talking AmerInds, and not real Indians from India? Second, if 1 is yes, what US state you think they were in might suggest or eliminate possibilities. (The Cherokee rolls in Oklahoma won't identify a Mohawk in New York State or a Seminole in Florida.) If 1 is a No, there's a different set of problems. Cheryl singhals@erols.com

Kdberr1@aol.com wrote: > I will be attending two family reunions this summer. I'm the family > historian and have traced all 4 sides of my family. I'd like to put > my information in a format that will interest more of my relatives, > who mostly are more interested in socializing than finding out who > their ancestors were. > > Does anyone have methods of packaging their genealogy that have > captured the interest of the younger family members? Might depend on the age of the "younger family members". What would appeal to a teenager might not appeal to a 6-yr-old and vice versa. For the younger set, an array of pictures and "Find your Mommy". Or a variation on Chutes and Ladders with family members being the pitfalls and havens. For the 10 to 15 set, try Family Trivial Pursuit. Don't fight nature with the 16-21s, hand 'em a portable CD player and some CDs. Someone I know put together a music and entertainment show that surprised a lot of the teens -- most of whom didn't realize the sound track for their favorite commercial had once been #1 on the Billboard. (g) Cheryl singhals@erols.com

> What is a Farm Schedule and where do you find them??? I thought > they took a census every ten years and the state might have. My > family seems to be all farmers in Arkansas and Missouri so this > may shed a lot of light. > > Linda <BANDGMETAL@aol.com> Linda - >From The Census Book William Dollarhide- pub. Heritage Quest, Bountiful Utah 2000 There are agricultural census for Missouri for 1850, 1860, 1870 ,1880, Original Manuscripts located at the Missouri State Archives. 600 West Main St Jefferson MO 65102 314-751-3280 For Arkansas there are: 1850, 1860, 1870 - microfilms at Arkansas Historical Commission 1 Capitol Mall Little Rock. AR 72201 501-682-6900 Original Manuscripts located at the Univ of Arkansas - Fayetteville, Library, Special Collections Fayetteville, AR 72701 Interlibrary loan service 501-575-5311 Lisa llepore@juno.com

> > Has anyone information on possible farm schedules for the state of > > NC and Mecklenburg County. > > > > I am especially interested in the area of Steel Creek. > > > > George Curry <N8tux@wideopenwest.com> > > George - According to The Census > Book, by William Dollarhide - A Genealogist's Guide to > Federal Census Facts, Schedules and Indexes. pub > by Heritage Quest, 2000 - > > NARA does not hold all of the farm schedules - > some of them are at State Archives, and others > are at University Libraries - sometimes in a different state. > > However, the Agricultural Schedules for North Carolina were > filmed by NARA and are also available at the NC > State Archives. Dollarhide also says that Heritage > Quest has all the films held by NARA. > > NARA Film # > 1850 No Series # Rolls 1-2 > 1860 No Series # Rolls 3-4 > 1870 No Series # Rolls 6-8 > 1880 No Series # Rolls 9-22 > > The original manuscripts are located at > > North Carolina State Archives > State Library Building > 109 East Jones Street - PO Box 1881 > Raleigh NC 27611 > 919-733-3952 > > Lisa <llepore@juno.com> Lisa Thanks for the comeback. I am particularly interested in the 1880 roll since the info I have is that my grandparents were listed as living in the Steel Creek area. It seems that they seemed to disappear after that. George "George Curry" <N8tux@wideopenwest.com>

> Could someone please explain the difference in State and Federal Census > to me. Was the State census taken in every state and how often. I seem > to only find Fedral Census when I go to the Library. > > iriscrall@att.net It depends on the state - some never took any, some took a few, some took a lot. Censuses on the half-decade years were common but not universal. There's a list here: http://www.clanboyd.info/research/stcensus/ (NY State conducted censuses on the half-decade years 1825-1875, then 1892, then finally 1905, 1915, 1925. Unfortunately most of early ones have not survived. Those that do are generally in custody of the County Clerks but a lot, if not most, have been microfilmed by the Family History Library.) Charles Sullivan <cwsulliv@triad.rr.com>

> Does anyone have methods of packaging their genealogy that have > captured the interest of the younger family members? > > Kdberr1@aol.com Another idea would be having the kids dress up in pioneer clothes for ex. and pretend to be farmers or whatever the ancestors were. They could act out short skits, etc. Edith

Kdberr1@aol.com writes: > Does anyone have methods of packaging their genealogy that have > captured the interest of the younger family members? A relative made large family trees (several pages taped together) and had everyone find themselves on the tree and put a smiley face sticker by their name. It created a lot of discussion, including a request to remove an ex-husband from the tree because there were no kids involved. <g> Also, we are descended from the proverbial 3 brothers from Germany so we have had name tags showing which brother you were descended from. Some of us were descended from 2 brothers so we wore 2 name tags. Edith ECFensom@aol.com

iriscrall@att.net writes: > Could someone please explain the difference in State and Federal > Census to me. Was the State census taken in every state and how > often. I seem to only find Fedral Census when I go to the > Library. State censuses were taken in different years from the federal census. Not every state took them. Some states had several censuses and others just one or two. Edith ECFensom@aol.com

N8tux@wideopenwest.com writes: > Has anyone information on possible farm schedules for the state of > NC and Mecklenburg County. The agriculture schedules for 1850-1880 are in the NC Department of Archives in Raleigh. Edith ECFensom@aol.com

Hi, I agree - photos, pictures, newsarticles and GAMES!! Don't let the kids just sit and vegetate, adults too. We have been doing that at the last several reunions and then I decided that was enough. I wrote out a type of question list with such things as are you wearing nail polish, find the person with the brightest, longest ear rings there are in the building. (answeres from most were very funny - especially some of the men). Find the left handed people. Who is the oldest and farthest distanced relative - great, great 4th cousin or whatever. Then we played bingo with the answers and had some gifts to give - it was a great success and afterward the kids and their parents all came to me and told me they had a great time and never realized what type of relatives they had. If you go to reunion pages on Cindi's List, or just put in family reunion on a search engine you will also get great ideas. bj "barbara" <bjohnson@wctc.net>

> Any help on determining a half or full Indian on census or was that > unheard of? Any other clues to finding an Indian before 1880? > Would have to be possibly in 1850s 1860s generations. gggrp. > > "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com> Hello Dena, You can find some online databases that may help here... Online Native American Indian Genealogy Databases http://zensite.home.att.net/genealogy/nativeamericans.html Beginning with the 1870 census you will find Indian included in the race column. This can be a helpful clue. It's also helpful to determine which tribe the person might have been from. Good luck with your search. Regards, Joe joe@genesearch.com

AEPalmer <aepalmer@a-znet.com> writes: > > Is there a listing somewhere of cities and towns that take their own > > censuses (not connected with U.S. censuses) and how to access this > > information? > > > > I asked this question recently but maybe people didn't notice > > because I was also answering someone else's question. > > > > Carol Botteron <botteron@alum.mit.edu> > > In a word, yes. > > They are called CITY and / or COUNTY directories. They were very > common before the "Yellow Pages" came into being. As the telephone > grew in popularity, most businesses included these mumbers in their > ads. In most cases, these directories were published on a regular > bases (and still are) ­ usually yearly. They are an amazing source > of good data! AEPalmer- While these directories are a fabulous resource, and should not be overlooked, I thought they were published privately. Are you saying they used those local census to compile the directories? I think Carol is asking about the yearly (in some places) census that are taken by cities and towns, and were the results available to the public. I always wondered about this myself, but since I don't have any ancestors in the cities and towns that conducted a census, I never looked into it. I have filled out census questionaires in 3 different Massachusetts communities, including Boston. I have never seen them mentioned as genealogical resource material. Lisa llepore@juno.com

> Could someone please explain the difference in State and Federal > Census to me. Was the State census taken in every state and how > often. I seem to only find Fedral Census when I go to the Library. > > iriscrall@att.net Iris - The Federal census was conducted every 10 years beginning in 1790. The years 1790 - 1930 are now available to be researched with the exception of 1890, almost all of which was damaged by a fire. The status of State Census returns varies. Many states conducted them, but not all were saved. There is a book called State Census Records, by Ann Lainhart that you might be able to find in your library. It discusses which states conducted a census, and where they might be located. You didn't mention the state you are interested in, but check that State's archives for more information, or the usgenweb pages at rootsweb. Lisa llepore@juno.com

> > > Has anyone tried to locate farm schedules as referenced in > > > the United States census enumerations? I am particularly > > > interested in the southern states, and what genealogical > > > information they might contain. > > > > > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> > > > > 1. Go to the National Archives site and locate the catalog of > > census microfilm and order from them, OR > > > > 2. Go to www.familysearch.org and do a subject search of the online > > catalog of the Family History Library and see what they have. If > > they have the film you need, and I expect they do, you can order > > through a Family History Center. To find the film, do a subject > > search on the STATE, then on CENSUS records and then look for the Ag > > Census films. (I hope I remember that search routine correctly - it > > sometimes seems a bit tricky). > > > > You won't find a lot of genealogical data, but if you want to know > > how many animals and outbuildings ... <g> > > > > "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> > > Has anyone information on possible farm schedules for the state of > NC and Mecklenburg County. > > I am especially interested in the area of Steel Creek. > > George Curry > N8tux@wideopenwest.com George - According to The Census Book, by William Dollarhide - A Genealogist's Guide to Federal Census Facts, Schedules and Indexes. pub by Heritage Quest, 2000 - NARA does not hold all of the farm schedules - some of them are at State Archives, and others are at University Libraries - sometimes in a different state. However, the Agricultural Schedules for North Carolina were filmed by NARA and are also available at the NC State Archives. Dollarhide also says that Heritage Quest has all the films held by NARA. NARA Film # 1850 No Series # Rolls 1-2 1860 No Series # Rolls 3-4 1870 No Series # Rolls 6-8 1880 No Series # Rolls 9-22 The original manuscripts are located at North Carolina State Archives State Library Building 109 East Jones Street - PO Box 1881 Raleigh NC 27611 919-733-3952 Happy hunting, Lisa llepore@juno.com

> Any help on determining a half or full Indian on census or was that > unheard of? Any other clues to finding an Indian before 1880? > Would have to be possibly in 1850s 1860s generations. gggrp. > > "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com> Dena, Do you have any clue as to what tribe they might have been? My ancestors had to answer questions on the 1900 census stating their degree of Indian blood, the tribe, and whether they lived in a teepee! There were separate census rolls of various Indian tribes taken in the earlier time span you're looking at. My experience is with the Cherokee, and for example there are microfilms of the following Indian censuses or "Rolls": Siler Roll of 1851 listing Cherokee living in North Carolina, Tennessee and Georgia, Drennan Roll 1852 listing 14,000 Indians in Oklahoma following the Trail of Tears Dawes Roll of 1898-1914 which is used today to determine eligibility for membership in the Cherokee tribe. This is just a sampling, there are even more Indian census rolls. The Dawes Roll is indexed and online through Ancestry.com. Many of these rolls are available through the National Archives on microfilm. I would also check www.familysearch.org to see which films you could obtain at your local Family History Center. The book The Source edited by Loretto Dennis Szucs and Sandra Luebking has an entire chapter on tracking Native American family history with tips on various tribes. Melanie Greenberg Naperville, IL "Melanie Greenberg" <mgreenberg@wideopenwest.com>

> > Has anyone tried to locate farm schedules as referenced in the > > United States census enumerations? I am particularly interested in > > the southern states, and what genealogical information they might > > contain. > > > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> > > 1. Go to the National Archives site and locate the catalog of census > microfilm and order from them, OR > > 2. Go to www.familysearch.org and do a subject search of the online > catalog of the Family History Library and see what they have. If > they have the film you need, and I expect they do, you can order > through a Family History Center. To find the film, do a subject > search on the STATE, then on CENSUS records and then look for the Ag > Census films. (I hope I remember that search routine correctly - it > sometimes seems a bit tricky). > > You won't find a lot of genealogical data, but if you want to know > how many animals and outbuildings ... <g> > > "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> Has anyone information on possible farm schedules for the state of NC and Mecklenburg County. I am especially interested in the area of Steel Creek. George Curry N8tux@wideopenwest.com

Kdberr1@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have methods of packaging their genealogy that have > captured the interest of the younger family members? . . . lots and LOTS of photographs . . . even those you may not be able to identify. Someone just might be able to ID them! Carl Sachs Carl Sachs <csachs@dejazzd.com>

All fun and smart-alecky remarks aside. I agree that smacking a computer unit is not the best thing. It may not damage the unit as they are designed to take small shocks (infrequent ones) during the normal use of them. However, some brands may have inferior chip components in them that may become damaged by this method of "repair". This is due to the fact that some are fragile. Another problem may be that a slot card has become unseated and needs only to be pushed back in. By smacking the unit, you may cause a chip to have problems that are intermittant (will only cause problems when warmed up after a period of time) when the problem was a slot card or maybe even the data cable (a break in it). Don't resort to this method unless you are willing to either (a) pay more to have the unit diagnosed and repaired than the original purchase price, or (b) buy another unit and...oops! you damaged your drive controller or the drive itself and you cannot recover you data because you thought you had a recent backup that actually works. Now you have to redo the research on your genealogy. Slan Leat! Phil McManus manus@aol.com (Manus)