> I have several very old high school annuals in my possession from > which I would like to construct alumni lists for sharing with > others, but I don't know where to go to pass on this material. > > I tried using the RootsWeb Alumni lists facility but can't get it to > work (my system has no "save text with tabs" option, for example, > and their software refuses to accept any version I've got). > > Any suggestions about how to share this material? I know someone in > the future would be very interested in this info if I could just > figure out a way of getting it out there. Thanks. > > "Sky" <Sky-Diamonds@no-dreck-please.comcast.net> I have the same problem. If someone gives you an answer, please share it with the list. Jean

> I've run in to a wall, that I don't know how to climb over. I found > my ggrandfather listed on the 1910 and 1930 Census, but I can't seem > to find him anywhere in the 1920. Is there a specific way to go > about finding someone who is not indexed? Or am I stuck with going > through every page in a five county radius to search for him? Any > suggestions, ideas, or help would be greatly appreciated. > > Carrie Marsh <carrie1@attglobal.net> Indexes are shortcuts which sometimes work, and sometimes don't! Try the geographic approach -- the census was taken in a very organized manner. My research note for March is on this very topic. While I talk about the Minnesota cities that cross county lines, the basics of the geography work for the U.S. Terminology varies somewhat, in that a town/township in Minnesota is a little different from a town in New England. But the basic structure holds. If he's living in the same place in both 1910 and 1930, chances are really good you'll only have to search one county. My notes are at: http://www.parkbooks.com/Html/research.html Maps for the census years help, especially if the location is one that is drawing a lot of new population (meaning more cities forming). You can then determine if any of the census-enumerator boundaries changed for the time period. And of course if there are city or farm directories for the area, they might be able to place him at the right spot for you to find. If the geographic approach doesn't work and the name variants don't work either, he might be living with one of his children or some other relative, not even in the same state. You might have to do some digging to find out where they all are. Mary Bakeman mbakeman@parkbooks.com Park Genealogical Books specialists in MN and the surrouding area http://www.parkbooks.com/

Sky-Diamonds@no-dreck-please.comcast.net writes: > I tried using the RootsWeb Alumni lists facility but can't get it to > work (my system has no "save text with tabs" option, for example, > and their software refuses to accept any version I've got). > > Any suggestions about how to share this material? Sky- You do not need special software to transcribe the data from an alumni list into a text delimited file for submitting to the RootsWeb User databases. You can use any word processor and start off by placing column headings for each "field" you wish to include for each entry. For instance, you might wish to include Last name, First name, year of graduation, address, notes. This is just an example of possible column headings--you might wish to take a look at the existing alumni databases to see what fields others have included. Record each entry -- one per line, placing the data that applies to that entry and field--separate each item by a comma or other unique character not used elsewhere in the database. You must remember to make your fields consistent so that the proper column heading applies to the entries that fall under it. If you have a field that is to remain blank just separate it by adding another comma (delimiter) such as ,, (denotes a blank field). Joan JYoung6180@aol.com

> In the course of researching Daniel Platt, we found that he was > captured in the battle of Nashville and was confined to > Andersonville Prison. > > This was confirmed by Civil War Pension Documents. > > We check a number of sources to see if we could find him on the list > of prisoners for Andersonville. He was not found on the lists and we > were told that some of the records perished in a fire. > > And this brings us to my two questions. > > 1 Does anyone know how to get in touch with the office of Civil War > Prisoners through NARA or any other source? > > 2 Does anyone know where to find prisoner exchange lists as he was > listed as being exchanged? > > "Rick" <r.polaski@att.net> If you did not order his service records (only the pension records) you might try that. They have information on the attendance sheets. They should also show that he was a prisoner and maybe when he was exchanged or released.

"bob gillis" <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > If a person has the same surname as the HoH then he/she will not be > in the Soundex. Look for the sons and you will probably find him > with one. As a follow-up to my previous message, here is transcription of a soundex card from Arkansas for 1920: John Pence; W; 82; Alabama Vol. 14; E.D. 12; Sheet 5; Line 42 Crawford; --- ; --- ; --- Enumerated with: Pence, Rozelle Father Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

"bob gillis" <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > If a person has the same surname as the HoH then he/she will not be > in the Soundex. Look for the sons and you will probably find him > with one. Bob, are you sure this is correct? I have copied all the PENCEs out of all the soundexes and it seems to me in almost every instance a parent living with a child has a separate listing even if the surname is the same. In the soundex indexes it is only the spouse and the children with the same surname as the HOH who aren't indexed. All others appear to be - i.e., nieces, nephews, daughter-in-laws, grandchildren, parents, etc., and those with difference surnames. However, if you are looking at, say, the index to the 1920 census at Ancestry.com, then the same-name parent may not have a separate index entry. Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

> Jan 17, 2003 - Lisa wrote: > The 1905 Providence RI City Directory has this listing for my > greatgrandfather > Henry A. Gaboriault > Carpenter & Contractor > Expert Market Refrigerator builder. Has anyone suggested that "Expert" may have been a typo for "Export"? Shipping perishables a long distance would require refrigeration, and Providence is a port. It's possible that your ancestor built iceboxes to be used on ships. Or maybe trains, especially if he was French Canadian. Since he was in business, did you check the directory for an ad for his business? Looking at earlier and later directories could also be useful. If you think the ship or train connection is a possibility, you might look for ship and railroad companies that used Providence. Carol Botteron (that's French Swiss) <botteron@alum.mit.edu> Maintainer, Civil War Units File

You know, faking a pedigree is darn near as much work as researching one. I've been trying to build a pedigree for a fictional character whose ancestry as given involves Massachusetts, Wisconsin, and Washington State. There are 4 surnames specified. I figured it would be a piece of cake, using WorldConnect, the message boards, Familysearch's AF and PRF, and Ancestry and Genealogy.com's GEDCOM depositories. I was wrong. Think I can find any two of the surnames in the same place in the same decade? All of which gives me a great appreciation for those bogus medieval pedigrees which are now being proven wrong. It takes talent to get that close with no ready-access to records and still be wrong. ;) Cheryl singhals@erols.com

> > I was wondering about changing childrens names when the mother has > > been widowed and remarries around 1850's. Did they have to go thru > > some legal steps, or could the mother and step father "unofficially" > > change the childrens as if they were adopted by the father? > > > > "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com> > > Sometimes this name change was "left" up to the child. If he (she) > decided to take the step father's surname, then that is the name to > use for that person's offspring. > > "AEPalmer" <aepalmer@a-znet.com> THanks, this is extremely good info to know!!! Wonder how many 'Brick walls' could be solved with that info!! dena

Glee, In the 1910 Census I have found him listed as: Pa., Clarion County, Perry Twp.- RIDDLE, W. Oscar, Head, Age 32, Married, P.O.B.: Pa., Laborer, Coal Mines RIDDLE, Margaret, Wife, Age 32, Married, P.O.B.:Pa. RIDDLE, Norman, Son, Age 7 RIDDLE, Julia, Daughter, Age 5 RIDDLE, Cataline, Daughter, Age 11 mos. In the 1930 Census he is listed as: Pa., Venango County, Oil City- RIDDLE, William O., Head, Age 52, Married, P.O.B.: Pa., Manager, ? Grocery RIDDLE, Margaret, Wife, Age 51, Married, P.O.B.: Pa. RIDDLE, James O., Son, Age 17, Single, P.O.B.:Pa., Apprentice, Meat Market I know where Norman is in 1920, but I can't seem to find the rest of the family. I've searched the indexes for the entire country, and they aren't listed as being anywhere. The two counties, Clarion and Venango, are right next door to each other, and there is no verbal family history of them being anywhere else at this time. I'm stumped as to what to do next..... Carrie in Colorado Carrie Marsh <carrie1@attglobal.net>

I have several very old high school annuals in my possession from which I would like to construct alumni lists for sharing with others, but I don't know where to go to pass on this material. I tried using the RootsWeb Alumni lists facility but can't get it to work (my system has no "save text with tabs" option, for example, and their software refuses to accept any version I've got). Any suggestions about how to share this material? I know someone in the future would be very interested in this info if I could just figure out a way of getting it out there. Thanks. **Sky ===Everyone you meet is your teacher.=== "Sky" <Sky-Diamonds@no-dreck-please.comcast.net>

Dena asked: > I was wondering about changing childrens names when the mother has > been widowed and remarries around 1850's. Did they have to go > thru some legal steps, or could the mother and step father > "unofficially"change the childrens as if they were adopted by the > father? Joan replies: Formal requirements for changing children's names did not occur until the 1970s in the US. The change occurred when schools began requiring birth certificates upon enrollment and began insisting on calling the child the name on the birth certificate rather than the name used by the family. Before that schools used the name the family used on the enrollment form, no birth certificate required. [For which I, for one, am happy. My birth certificate reads Harriett Joan Best, Harriett being my mother's name, but never used by the family. I was enrolled as "Joan Best" and all school and work records are under that name. When I divorced my name was legally changed to "Joan Best".] As for taking the step-father's name, that was extremely common, often so the children would not be teased or the family looked down on. My first husband and sister took their step-father's name, though never adopted. He used it the rest of his life and our children and grandchildren carried on the step-father's surname. Interesting how a law regulating schools has such far-reaching effect. It is my impression, from working in the field, that one of the other effects is to increase formal adoption by step-parents. I think the intent of the law was one of the first attempts to find children "kidnapped" by one parent. Joan B "Joan Best" <joanbest1@earthlink.net>

Rick Is his name D W Platts? If you are unaware of this site, you can search here (I searched for Platt): http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/prisoners.htm Side Union Unit Name 127 Illinois Regiment 127 State Illinois Function Unknown Company F Rank Private Type Held at Andersonville and survived Capture Date Unknown Capture Site Unknown Alternate Name None Remarks EXCHANGED APRIL 1, 1865 -- Thanks, John Ellingsworth http://ellingsworth.org/john/ PGP Public Keyring: http://ellingsworth.org/pubring.pkr "John Ellingsworth" <newsgroup@ellingsworth.org>

Dena wrote: > I was wondering about changing childrens names when the mother has > been widowed and remarries around 1850's. Did they have to go thru > some legal steps, or could the mother and step father "unofficially" > change the childrens as if they were adopted by the father? From my personal experience searching those things -- There were no official steps to be taken, so no one took them. Adoption as we know it is an early 20th century construct. What actually happened rather depended on the circumstances. Generally, I'd lean toward the children all using the same surname, at least until they married. The younger the child at the time of the remarriage of the mother, the less likely that child will use the birth-father's name. Thing is, on a census, you never know what the family actually SAID or what the enumerator thought they said. HTH Cheryl singhals@erols.com

> I've run in to a wall, that I don't know how to climb over. I found > my ggrandfather listed on the 1910 and 1930 Census, but I can't seem > to find him anywhere in the 1920. Is there a specific way to go > about finding someone who is not indexed? Or am I stuck with going > through every page in a five county radius to search for him? Any > suggestions, ideas, or help would be greatly appreciated. > > Carrie Marsh <carrie1@attglobal.net> There doesn't seem to sufficient information to actually help you, but ... on the anything's better'n nothing theory ... Not Indexed = definition, please? Not indexed under the name you expected, not indexed where you expected to find him, not-found in the index, or simply not there at all? If he was married -- is the spouse or children found in someone else's household? If he has an unusual given name try a digital search on that name rather than his surname. Did you look in the military part of the census? 1920 was soon after Armistice, and you never know. Could he have been, unmarried, in college or trade school? What are the four most common misspellings of the surname and what is their soundex code? Could some handwritten letter be mistaken for a completely different handwritten letter [i.e., Geltm* eluded me for 20 years because the t was being read by the indexers as a b--and I have myself made my t exactly that way.] Cheryl singhals@erols.com

There was a situation in Wisconsin in 1849, where Indians were supposed to get some reparation from the (state?) government. The notice was posted in English. Since most of the Indians at that time could not read English, those who applied for it were either part Indian or actually not Indian at all. As a result, very few "real" Indians received payment. The recipiants were called, "49ers". This sort of thing still goes on in one form or another. Judy L. lewisjgrandma@webtv.net (Judith Lewis)

> I've run in to a wall, that I don't know how to climb over. I found > my ggrandfather listed on the 1910 and 1930 Census, but I can't seem > to find him anywhere in the 1920. Is there a specific way to go > about finding someone who is not indexed? Or am I stuck with going > through every page in a five county radius to search for him? Any > suggestions, ideas, or help would be greatly appreciated. > > Carrie Marsh <carrie1@attglobal.net> If a person has the same surname as the HoH then he/she will not be in the Soundex. Look for the sons and you will probaly find him with one. On the other hand the GGF may have been living in another state. Did any children live in another state in 1920? As others have mentioned, tell us where specifically you have looked? The 1902 Soundex, the 1920 Census on Ancestry or Heritage Quest. bob gillis bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

> I've run in to a wall, that I don't know how to climb over. I found > my ggrandfather listed on the 1910 and 1930 Census, but I can't seem > to find him anywhere in the 1920. Is there a specific way to go > about finding someone who is not indexed? Or am I stuck with going > through every page in a five county radius to search for him? Any > suggestions, ideas, or help would be greatly appreciated. > > Carrie Marsh <carrie1@attglobal.net> If he has the same set of neighbors in the 1910 and 1930 censuses, that is good news. Find a neighbor with a relatively unusual name who appears in both censues and locate him in 1920. Then look at his neighbors and your ggf should be nearby. Otherwise you might look at a 1910 neighbor in 1920, then look for your ggf nearby. If that fails, look at a 1930 neighbor, then look for your ggf nearby in 1920. Does your ggf's name have any spelling variations or nicknames or abbreviations? Did you try looking for all of those possibilities? Ernest Thode ernestthode@charter.net (Ernest Thode)

> One of my paternal grandmother's uncles - then a resident of > Oklahoma - actually applied to be placed on the Cherokee rolls in > the early 1900s, which application was rejected. I don't know the > details because I have not yet obtained that information from the > National Archives. > > Then he applied to be placed on the rolls of the Mississippi > Choctaws and again was rejected on the grounds that his father was > not present when the treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek was signed. He > claimed that both his mother and his father were half Indian. > > His mother was born in Georgia, as nearly as I can tell. Although > his father was born in what is now Mississippi, his paternal > grandfather was, as nearly as I can tell, born in South Carolina, > which was not one of the places that the Mississippi Choctaw lived > although I believe that the Cherokees did live in South Carolina. > > The uncle, John Watson, was born in what is now St. Helena Parish, > La., and he and his parents and siblings settled in Houston County, > Texas, in the mid-1840s when Texas was still a republic. > > I am puzzled. Did John Watson truly believe that both of his > parents were half Indian and was simply unable to prove this? Or > was there some financial incentive in the very early 1900s that > would encourage him to apply to be placed on Indian rolls and he > decided to lie to try to take advantage of that situation? > > Janey E. Joyce - jejoyce@sbcglobal.net Hi Janey! There may well have been a financial incentive for John Watson to claim Cherokee or Choctaw ancestry. One of the reasons for the several 'rolls' being prepared was to identify who was to receive a share of sums owed those tribes by the Federal government by virtue of various treaties and agreements. By our standards today, the sums going to any one person weren't great (typically a few hundred dollars), but by the measures of the time, they were a couple of years pay for the average man and well worth going to some trouble for. If all a person had to do to gain that sum was claim to be an American Indian from some particular tribe, then there were lots of people who made that claim. Some were telling the truth; some weren't. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 479-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net Web site: <http://www.wildweasel.net>

> I was wondering about changing childrens names when the mother has > been widowed and remarries around 1850's. Did they have to go thru > some legal steps, or could the mother and step father "unofficially" > change the childrens as if they were adopted by the father? > > "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com> Sometimes this name change was "left" up to the child. If he (she) decided to take the step father's surname, then that is the name to use for that person's offspring. Cheers, -- <><><><><><><><><><><> Arrowhead Images <aepalmer@a-znet.com> <><><><><><><><><><><>