> > > iriscrall@att.net writes: > > > > > > > Just wanted to thank all of you for your suggestions. However, it > > > > seems Ohio does not have a record for any State Census. > > > > > > According to the book "The Source", no actual state censuses were > > > taken for Ohio but there are lists of eligible voters called > > > quadrennial enumerations. Don't know if that would help or not. > > > > > > Edith <ECFensom@aol.com> > > > > Ohio became a state in 1803. In fact, tomorrow (March 1, 2003) Ohio > > is celebrating its Bicentennial of statehood. Every 4 years > > thereafter (i.e., in 1807, 1811, 1815, 1819, 1823, 1827, 1831, 1835, > > ...) a quadrennial enumeration of eligible voters was made in order > > to draw legislative districts of approximately equal population. > > > > I can only speak for Washington County, Ohio, where there are > > certain townships available for certain years, especially ca. the > > 1830s through the 1850s. > > > > ernestthode@charter.net (Ernest Thode) > > How do you use find this voting record? My great grand Father > Samuel W. Phipps was from Washington County, Ohio in 1850 is the > earliest I can find him. > > Evelynn herringe@charter.net Can anyone tell me how to find the quadrennial voting records?

> > In one of my Civil War packets was a certified copy of the family > > Bible showing the soldier and his siblings birthdates and parents > > marriage and birthdates as proof of his birth date. This was a > > sibling of my ancestor, who was one of the daughters of the family. > > Pays to go after siblings info too. > > > > In another family I sent for the records of the two sons who went to > > war. My ancestor was in his early teens. There were letters > > describing the family life, the measles that killed one of the boys > > and the father, when he went to pick up his son, brought back the > > measles which killed one of the younger children at home. The > > paperwork said everyone got the measles and all were much weaken by > > them. > > > > There was a lot of genealogical info also but the picture of the > > family's life after the civil war was of great interest. > > > > "Joan Best" <joanbest1@earthlink.net> > > Can someone on this list tell me whether or not Confederate veterans > received pensions? > > "Jean Snyder" <jsnyder@ix.netcom.com> The Confederate veteran in my husband's family served in Georgia but I found his pension records in OK, where he lived and died.

Thanks to all of you on the list for replying to my query. I've tried all the suggestions that I could from home, but still no luck. Soundex didn't pan out, a wild card search was a no go, and a day spent looking at all the individual Census records from both counties was a bust. I guess this Riddle family wants to stay an enigma for a while longer. On a different genealogical research front, I had a major breakthrough this past week. I'm researching the name Marsh, and with it being a fairly common name, it's been hard to find my branch of the family. This past week, after searching using only the men's names and finding virtually nothing, I got fed up and put my gggrandmother's name into the search engine at Rootsweb. Imagine my surprise when up pops a World Connect file with info on her family going back into the 1400's. I realize I shouldn't take it all at face value, and I need to look it all up myself, but what a find, and how much fun it will be to verify all this! I know I'm being long-winded, but I just want to say, " Don't get discouraged if you hit a wall. You never know what will show up and when. Don't forget those females in the family, they may just be your breakthrough!" Thanks again everyone for all your help and suggestions.... Carrie in Colorado, Who has an enigma with Riddles Carrie Marsh <carrie1@attglobal.net>

I wrote: > The National Archives microfilm roll (M259-24) for New Orleans > passenger arrivals for 1845 is missing the first 3 months of the > year. I have transcribed the lists from a separate and somewhat > obscure WPA transcription (M2009) for these 3 months and put them > online <snip> I thought I would let everyone know that Jan, Feb & March 1847 have now been added to the site... Filling in the Gaps: New Orleans Passenger Lists http://www.genesearch.com/neworleans/ Good luck with your searches. Regards, Joe joe@genesearch.com

"Rick" <r.polaski@att.net> wrote: > This also brings to light another question, > > Is there anyone out there that can identify some of the "ease" that > is written on the attendance sheets? I presume you mean "ese" - as in "bureaucratese." Do you have any specific instances you want help with? Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

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> Can someone on this list tell me whether or not Confederate veterans > received pensions? > > Jean Jean, I received pension files for my ancestor who served in the confederate army from GA. I went through the GA Dept of Archives. You might have to go through the State to get confederate pension records. At least some Confederate veterans and their families received pensions. Nina Nina Heil nina4@charter.net

jsimons@childrensdefense.org wrote: > <snip> > > On another aspect of this question, I know that there were at least > some areas that were not enumerated in 1920. I know exactly where > my grandparents were living; I know exactly who their neighbors > were. None of them shows up in the index at ancestry.com. I have > scrolled through all the images for the area where they lived. This > block was skipped! Perhaps that is what happened to the Riddle > family. Did you check on the Ancestry Images that there were no pages skipped. The images go page 11 A&B, 12 A&B, 13 A&B? It is also possible that the filming by the Census Bureau way back when, skipped a page. If that happened is is lost forever. bob gillis bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

> > In one of my Civil War packets was a certified copy of the family > > Bible showing the soldier and his siblings birthdates and parents > > marriage and birthdates as proof of his birth date. This was a > > sibling of my ancestor, who was one of the daughters of the family. > > Pays to go after siblings info too. > > > > In another family I sent for the records of the two sons who went to > > war. My ancestor was in his early teens. There were letters > > describing the family life, the measles that killed one of the boys > > and the father, when he went to pick up his son, brought back the > > measles which killed one of the younger children at home. The > > paperwork said everyone got the measles and all were much weaken by > > them. > > > > There was a lot of genealogical info also but the picture of the > > family's life after the civil war was of great interest. > > > > "Joan Best" <joanbest1@earthlink.net> > >Can someone on this list tell me whether or not Confederate veterans >received pensions? > >Jean <jsnyder@ix.netcom.com> Yes, they did, but not from the federal govt, and the application files have to be obtained from the individual confederate state that granted the pension - they aren't held by the National Archives.

> In theory, this should work, but _only_ if the first letter of the > surname was transcribed correctly! The surname in question, Riddle, > could easily have been transcribed as Biddle. > > On another aspect of this question, I know that there were at least > some areas that were not enumerated in 1920. I know exactly where > my grandparents were living; I know exactly who their neighbors > were. None of them shows up in the index at ancestry.com. I have > scrolled through all the images for the area where they lived. This > block was skipped! Perhaps that is what happened to the Riddle > family. > > I would suggest to the original poster (Carrie Marsh) whether there > are city directories available for the area of PA that you are > focusing on. Check the Library of Congress web site; the microform > reading room page has a list, by state, of city directories that > they have on microfilm, by year. (I realize that you are not > located in Washington, DC, but that is a hurdle down the line.) > > Janet M. Simons <jsimons@childrensdefense.org> My ancestor was David King, I knew is age, name place of birth for him and parents and where he lived, but could not find him in the index So I searched by using first name, current county & state, age and state where he was born, 32 hits but atleast he was there. He showed up as David Ring versus David King Kent "Kent & Tracy" <cdr2002@mchsi.com>

> > In the 1910 Census I have found him listed as: > > Pa., Clarion County, Perry Twp.- > > RIDDLE, W. Oscar, Head, Age 32, Married, P.O.B.: Pa., Laborer, Coal Mines > > RIDDLE, Margaret, Wife, Age 32, Married, P.O.B.:Pa. > > RIDDLE, Norman, Son, Age 7 > > RIDDLE, Julia, Daughter, Age 5 > > RIDDLE, Cataline, Daughter, Age 11 mos. > > > > In the 1930 Census he is listed as: > > Pa., Venango County, Oil City- > > RIDDLE, William O., Head, Age 52, Married, P.O.B.: Pa., Manager, ? Grocery > > RIDDLE, Margaret, Wife, Age 51, Married, P.O.B.: Pa. > > RIDDLE, James O., Son, Age 17, Single, P.O.B.:Pa., Apprentice, Meat Market > > > > I know where Norman is in 1920, but I can't seem to find the rest of > > the family. I've searched the indexes for the entire country, and > > they aren't listed as being anywhere. The two counties, Clarion and > > Venango, are right next door to each other, and there is no verbal > > family history of them being anywhere else at this time. I'm > > stumped as to what to do next..... > > > > Carrie Marsh <carrie1@attglobal.net> > > Here is what I tried: > > William Riddle (soundex) all ages State of PA > Riddle (soundex) ages 41 42 and 43 state of Pennsylvania > Oscar Riddle (soundex) all ages state of PA > W Riddle (soundex) PA > O ____Riddle (soundex) PA > Kate Riddle (soundex) PA > Cataline Riddle (soundex) PA > Cate Riddle (soundex) PA > Margaret Riddle (soundex) Pa > Marguerite Riddle (soundex) PA > Maggie Riddle (soundex) PA > James Riddle (soundex) ages 6, 7, 8 PA > All Riddles (soundex in Clarion County PA............. Looked at all > households to see if they were hiding with a relative > All Riddles (soundex) in Vanango PA ............looked at all enumerations > > > I found three of the 1930 neigbors in the 1920 census: > Clyde Sawatake > Joseph Adams > Ralph anderson > > ................. William Riddle and family no where to be > found................. > > I HATE to admit it, but I can't find them! I defer to someone > tougher than I am The only other suggeestion, if you have the > information, is to look for his parents and siblings in > 1920............................. or his wife's family. > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> You might try what I did, search by first name. I know it is tedious but it can work. The last name of my grandmother was completely wrong on the 1930 census and this method is how I found her. I also knew her address which verified the 'different' name was the person I was looking for. Also the children who were living with her. Marge margaretqclark@comcast.net (Marge Clark)

> All of this talk about Civil War pension records reminds me that I > would like to get ahold of the WWI service records for my > grandfather - can anyone tell me how I might go about this? > > leah_prescott@msn.com Go here: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/veterans_service_records.html Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

"Jean Snyder" <jsnyder@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Can someone on this list tell me whether or not Confederate veterans > received pensions? They could only receive state pensions and these would be in the state in which they were living at the time they became eligible. The pensions allotted varied from state to state. Confederate veterans were not eligible to receive U.S. Civil War pensions until late in 1958, when President Eisenhower pardoned all Confederate soldiers and other officials. The only real effect of this was to make the widows of Confederate soldiers eligible for federal pensions, since all of the soldiers themselves were likely dead by then. In the news last month, it was noted that there still is one woman living today, in Alabama I think, whose husband served in the Confederate Army. The VA here in Washington told me, however, that she is not now receiving a pension, having given it up because she remarried. So you can't automatically assume there is no U.S. pension file for any Confederate soldier, as there could possibly be one if his widow lived beyond 1958. The last widow of a Union Army veteran died in February in Tennessee. Out of curiosity, I have located her pension file in the regional VA office in DC and have sent for a copy of it. The widow was Gertrude Grubb who married John Janeway (aka January) in 1927 when he was 81 and she 18). It will be interesting to see how large and detailed this file is! Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

"Virginia Beck" <ginia2@san.rr.com> wrote: > A cousin in my husband's line located us, and the rest of > her REAL family through her ggf's Civil War pension file! Her > entire family thought their last name was PECK throughout their > lives. They ran into such brick walls researching that name that > she & her mother even hired a professional genealogist, who came up > with an entire multi-generation Peck family tree for them,! Lo and > behold, when the file came, GGrandpa John Peck's parents names were > given as William & Maria BECK -- & they had to start over at square > one. We will probably never know why he changed the spelling. The reason you will probably never know why "he changed the spelling" is that he didn't change the spelling. The metamorphis of German surnames beginning with B to names which beginning with the letter P is a very common occurrence. So long as the German families remained in areas where there were quite a few Germans (or were well-educated and insisted on maintaining the original spelling), the names remained much as they likely were in the old country. Once away from that influence, however, they got spelled the way they were pronounced. In many German dialects, B and P are pronounced as P. That's why in Pennsylvania there are many BENTZ families. Once you go to Virginia's Shenandoah Valley, where a great many Germans migrated, the name was written by the English-speaking clerks as it was pronounced to them. So BENTZ immediately became PENCE there and in many places in Ohio and elsewhere. There are many other such transformations - Brentz to Prince, Briess to Price, Bender to Painter and, of course, Beck to Peck. Often, because many in those days could not read or write, the families were not even aware of the change in spellings. In this case, since the record showed the father's name as Beck, the son apparently realized what was happening and simply accepted it - it being an "Americanization" of the name. I have a copy of a letter written in the 1830s from Michael Bentz in York County, Pennsylvania, to his (first) cousin, John Pence in Warren County, Ohio. The letter is written a beautiful hand and with good English, indicating Michael was well education. In his letter says he still prefers to spell his name "the old way" (Bentz) but that many of "the English" call him Pence. John's father was born in York County about 1770 and baptized as Johan Jacob Bentz. Shortly before 1800, he moved to Rockingham County, Virginia, where his name was written as Pence and it remained as such when the family moved to Ohio in about 1815. Klaus Wust, the German-born historian who has written a great deal about German immigrants to the U.S., particularly Virginia, often included a list of variant spellings for German surnames in his books. In one (Klaus Wust, The Record of Hawksbill Church, 1788-1850, Page County, Va. [Edinburg, Va.: Shenandoah History, 1979], 33), he included this item: "Sauer, Saur, Sower, Sour or Benz, Bentz, Pents, Pens, Brentz, Brintz, Printz, Prenntz, Prince-we could make endless lists of variations. A long time ago James Kirke Paulding told the story of Kierst von Guelph, the imaginary poor relation of King George I who, after failing to make all people in Virginia talk High-German, contented himself with turning English upside down: Thus P became B, and B became P, and D T until the stoutest abecedarian could hardly tell which was which." Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

> Yes Janet, I found that true for my greatgrandparents in Newton, MA I > couldn't find them or any of their neighbors for a whole block, I looked > through all the images and addresses around 1800 through 3000 were > missing and they were at 2730 Commonwealth Ave they were there in 1910 > and 1930. I had asked the question on this list previously if anyone > else had ever found a whole block missing but hadn't received and > answers so I'm glad I'm not the only one now. > > Evelyn Bayna On another aspect of this question, I know that there were at least some areas that were not enumerated in 1920. I know exactly where my grandparents were living; I know exactly who their neighbors were. None of them shows up in the index at ancestry.com. I have scrolled through all the images for the area where they lived. This block was skipped! Perhaps that is what happened to the Riddle family. Janet M. Simons jsimons@childrensdefense.org

> Where would we look for medical records of Confederate soldiers? > I'm interested in Virginia, but info for other states would > probably help other researchers. Thanx! > > Carol Botteron (that's French Swiss) <botteron@alum.mit.edu> > Maintainer, Civil War Units File Since you are interested in the State of Virginia, have you used the Library of Virginia online database? Pension applications and confederate disability pension applications. http://eagle.vsla.edu/al/virtua-basic.html For Virginia research, this site is outstanding with images online and printable. In addition, Military service records will contain whether or not the soldier was hospitalized (and for what reason) for a roll call. Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>

> > I have a ggm, Narcissa Avelvidere McWhorter b. July 8, 1861, and > > according to the Jackson family bible records, she was born in > > Madison co. TX. She married John D. Jackson, 1879. > > Death certificate? Obituary? > > "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> there are none for the counties she was in. Leon Co.TX (1920 census) has nothing on her, Madison co. where she was known to be living for some time, had records burned abt 1870, which would include something of a marriage or some sort of something around her time of birth, ie. adoption??, probate, etc. and no death record for her in 1929-1931, said to have died in 1930 according to cemetery listing of Willowhole cem. Still have to contact a few funeral homes, but probably nothing will show up, if they dont save them from that far back as the one I called did not. Also had someone look up obituaries from 1930 in that area, nothing. Maybe she was an alien from another planet?? LOL thanks Richard and everyone for your help on this mystery. dena "Dena" <dena@dbnetmall.com>

> > In the course of researching Daniel Platt, we found that he was > > captured in the battle of Nashville and was confined to > > Andersonville Prison. > > > > This was confirmed by Civil War Pension Documents. > > > > We check a number of sources to see if we could find him on the list > > of prisoners for Andersonville. He was not found on the lists and we > > were told that some of the records perished in a fire. > > > > And this brings us to my two questions. > > > > 1 Does anyone know how to get in touch with the office of Civil War > > Prisoners through NARA or any other source? > > > > 2 Does anyone know where to find prisoner exchange lists as he was > > listed as being exchanged? > > > > "Rick" <r.polaski@att.net> > > If you did not order his service records (only the pension > records) you might try that. They have information on the > attendance sheets. They should also show that he was a prisoner > and maybe when he was exchanged or released. > > "John & Neva Brigham" <neva@cwis.net> Hi, Currently we have both of his service records as well as his pension records, This also brings to light another question, Is there anyone out there that can identify some of the "ease" that is written on the attendance sheets? Thanks to all who replied, I wish that I could have responded quicker myself but it's been an ugly week. Rick "Rick" <r.polaski@att.net>