Good day folks, With so much attention being directed to and discussions about the advantages and disadvantages of "on line" commercial sources of US Federal Population census schedules, let me remind you of another valuable source. Your local Genealogy Society library, Family History Center (FHC) library or even the public library may have microfilmed copies of the census schedules you are looking for. Especially if you reside in the same state as the person who you are trying to find. I am finding so many patrons who in spite of all the news letters, brochures and announcements don't realize that even in our relatively small community, all three sources I named have copies of all or most of our state's census schedules. Additionally the local genealogy society has an index of early census schedules and microfilmed copies of later US Federal population Soundexes for our state. So it seems that with the advent of commercial "on line" sources, the local sources are fast becoming one of the best kept family history research secrets. A. John Birkholz brotherjohn@imt.net The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it. John Ruskin

richardpence@pipeline.com writes: > If it was any year but 1930, that would be normal - if the son was > HOH, then the father probably wouldn't be indexed. I haven't found that to be the case.

Scenario: a now-deceased relative graduated college in the US before 1950; unknown major/field. No one seems to remember WHICH college or university. The jobs he held and from which he retired would not have required a college degree. Obit appears to have been written by an in-law and doesn't mention it. I surveyed the alumni offices of all the logical (and a few of less-logical) candidates to no avail. I had thrown up my hands on this, when I discovered that some college and university alumni offices do not hold a complete roster of graduates, but only rosters of those who either donated money or joined the alumni association (I discovered that by trying to get a current address of a friend who received his PhD the semester before my husband got his at the same University). The "logical" places were all in his home state (for fairly obvious financial reasons); the less-so were in nearby states up to 100 miles away from his home. The floor is now open for discussion of methodology for continued searching. Cheryl singhals@erols.com

Jennifer McKemie wrote: > I have found a possible grandmother at the Ellis Island site, but > cannot read the town/parish of birth. I can read the Bohemia, but > not the last word. Does anyone know if there is a less expensive > way of getting that record? I see that I can purchase the record > for $25 or $35 dollars, but if there is a cheaper way....... You can borrow the Ship Manifest microfilms through a FHC. Look in the FHL catalogue under New York Immigrations (AFAIR). bob gillis bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

> > > Ohio became a state in 1803. In fact, tomorrow (March 1, 2003) Ohio > > > is celebrating its Bicentennial of statehood. Every 4 years > > > thereafter (i.e., in 1807, 1811, 1815, 1819, 1823, 1827, 1831, 1835, > > > ...) a quadrennial enumeration of eligible voters was made in order > > > to draw legislative districts of approximately equal population. > > > > > > I can only speak for Washington County, Ohio, where there are > > > certain townships available for certain years, especially ca. the > > > 1830s through the 1850s. > > > > > > ernestthode@charter.net (Ernest Thode) > > > > How do you use find this voting record? My great grand Father > > Samuel W. Phipps was from Washington County, Ohio in 1850 is the > > earliest I can find him. > > > > Evelynn herringe@charter.net > > Can anyone tell me how to find the quadrennial voting records? > > "John & Neva Brigham" <neva@cwis.net> If it's Washington County, Ohio, e-mail: <ernie@wcplib.lib.oh.us>. For other counties, try 1) the public library in that county or 2) the Ohio Network of American History Research Centers <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maggieoh/ohionet.html> or 3) the Ohio Historical Society <http://www.ohiohistory.org>. Ernest Thode ernestthode@charter.net (Ernest Thode)

<Patscga@aol.com> wrote: > They're all not properly indexed, either. Yesterday I searched > ancestry.com for George Frisch, with no results. When I searched > his son Howard Frisch, George was included in his household. What census year were you searching? If it was any year but 1930, that would be normal - if the son was HOH, then the father probably wouldn't be indexed. Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

> All of this talk about Civil War pension records reminds me that I > would like to get ahold of the WWI service records for my > grandfather - can anyone tell me how I might go about this? > > leah_prescott@msn.com There are two sources of genealogical interest: 1. Draft registration cards, provide date a place of birth; the registrant's address, the name and address of next of kin, occupation, work address, general physical description. They are available through the National Archives (NARA.gov) and the Family History Library has them on microfilm (microfilm numbers beginning with 1059347) These are by state and county. Search: Draft United States 2. Actual military service records have been addresed by others. Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>

> They're all not properly indexed, either. Yesterday I searched > ancestry.com for George Frisch, with no results. When I searched > his son Howard Frisch, George was included in his household. > > Patscga@aol.com You didn't say what year, but....1930 is the only index at ancestry that is an every name index. It's 1930 index is one of a kind.. Not a perfect index, but better than most I believe. It's very difficult to transcibe names in most census reports. I have so much respect for the wonderful volunteers that are willing to take it on. Especially the GenWeb folks! Margy "Margy Bousman" <mbousman7@cox.net>

>From: Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> > >> Where would we look for medical records of Confederate soldiers? >> I'm interested in Virginia, but info for other states would >> probably help other researchers. Thanx! >> >> Carol Botteron (that's French Swiss) <botteron@alum.mit.edu> > >Since you are interested in the State of Virginia, have you used the >Library of Virginia online database? Pension applications and >confederate disability pension applications. > > http://eagle.vsla.edu/al/virtua-basic.html > >For Virginia research, this site is outstanding with images online >and printable. In addition, Military service records will contain >whether or not the soldier was hospitalized (and for what reason) >for a roll call. Thank you, but my ancestor isn't there. He moved to Kentucky right after the war, and later got a pension from KY. What I'm looking for is medical records from during the war. I know NARA has them for USA soldiers but I don't know where to look for CSA. This ancestor had "a bullet near his spine that was never removed" so there should be something. I guess I should send for his military records (whish NARA should have). Carol Botteron (that's French Swiss) <botteron@alum.mit.edu>

> <snip> > > I can usually provide ship history up to about 1970. > > "Bud Shortridge" <cshortridge@comcast.net> Hi List, Bud is right he doesn't charge and he is very helpful. He helped me find info on my dad's ship. Thanks again Bud. JoAnne "Joanne Vanhorn" <jvanhorn14@attbi.com>

> They're all not properly indexed, either. Yesterday I searched > ancestry.com for George Frisch, with no results. When I searched > his son Howard Frisch, George was included in his household. > > Patscga@aol.com That's true. In fact, I searched by Index and image by image for my grandparents in 1930 only to find that portion has somehow been missed in Ancestry.com. I went to FTM Genealogy.com and browsed the township where I "knew" they were located and sure enough, all my missing relatives were there! Tempe ===== Tempe Berggren http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Oaks/6370 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/r/Tempe-T-Berggren/ Tempe Berggren <tberggren@yahoo.com>

> read part of the " A detour via America" fascinating 65 plus page > 1877 Carl Sigerist day to day travel journal written and published > by my ancestor Carl B. Sigerist in 1879 click on this URL > > http://www.geocities.com/karlsrsigerist/Page7.html > > srkarel@shaw.ca > KarlSr@sigerist.net He's selling this 65-page journal for $12.95. This works out to about 20 cents a page, which he says he will send you via email as soon as he receives the asked for compensation. Pretty steep I'd say. Janey E. Joyce in San Antonio, Texas [ The moderator made a mistake -- the "A detour via America" post should have never been approved. Commercial posts should be in the Marketplace newsgroup/list. Sorry, Mod ] Janey Joyce <jejoyce@sbcglobal.net>

> All of this talk about Civil War pension records reminds me that I > would like to get ahold of the WWI service records for my > grandfather - can anyone tell me how I might go about this? > > leah_prescott@msn.com For the ones that were not lost in the fire: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/vetrecs/

I understand that there are several states that sent questionnaires to Civil War veterans ca 1920. I believe in Tennessee and Arkansas, and maybe other states as well. If you have ancestors who fought in the war in those states, these are a WEALTH of genealogical information. I need to know if these questionnaires were done in Texas. I know I can call the Texas State Archives on Tuesday and find out, but does anyone have that information? Tuesday seems a long time to wait for an answer <g>. Thanks in advance Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>

They're all not properly indexed, either. Yesterday I searched ancestry.com for George Frisch, with no results. When I searched his son Howard Frisch, George was included in his household. Patscga@aol.com

Hi, to Dena, I was reading your post in Roots, and had to comment. I don't know how close you are to the Madison County area, where the "courthouse burned". This happened often in that time period, and especially during the civil war. However, I would check closely for records anyway, as I have learned thru experience in several of my "no records because the courthouse burned" searches, that sometimes/often, they made it out with some of the records when the courthouse burned, and some of the records actually exist, but busy clerks have used this as a "crutch" to keep from bothering to search out old genealogy info. "Sorry, the courthouse burned and we don't have anything back before (whatever year). Of course, sometimes this is true--everything was destroyed, but also sometimes they were able to save some of the records, or maybe even some of the records weren't stored in the courthouse at the time of the fire! I'm just saying --Don't give up at the words "sorry, the courthouse burned in 1870" until you have checked their library, genealogical Society, etc. and managed to verify that in this case, the records were all actually destroyed. Good Luck. Judy JudyMcKinn@aol.com

jsimons@childrensdefense.org fed this fish to the penguins: > In theory, this should work, but _only_ if the first letter of the > surname was transcribed correctly! The surname in question, Riddle, > could easily have been transcribed as Biddle. I can confirm that much... After a few days via the index to the 1880 Census CD-ROMS, I'd still failed to locate a couple... It wasn't until I activated the "neighbors" mode in the viewer and started scrolling through /all/ the families in the township that I found the pair I'd been seeking. Bieber had been transcribed as Dieber... -- > ============================================================== < > wlfraed@ix.netcom.com | Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG < > wulfraed@dm.net | Bestiaria Support Staff < > ============================================================== < > Bestiaria Home Page: http://www.beastie.dm.net/ < > Home Page: http://www.dm.net/~wulfraed/ <

> > In one of my Civil War packets was a certified copy of the family > > Bible showing the soldier and his siblings birthdates and parents > > marriage and birthdates as proof of his birth date. This was a > > sibling of my ancestor, who was one of the daughters of the family. > > Pays to go after siblings info too. > > > > In another family I sent for the records of the two sons who went to > > war. My ancestor was in his early teens. There were letters > > describing the family life, the measles that killed one of the boys > > and the father, when he went to pick up his son, brought back the > > measles which killed one of the younger children at home. The > > paperwork said everyone got the measles and all were much weaken by > > them. > > > > There was a lot of genealogical info also but the picture of the > > family's life after the civil war was of great interest. > > > > "Joan Best" <joanbest1@earthlink.net> > > Can someone on this list tell me whether or not Confederate veterans > received pensions? > > Jean Snyder They didn't get Federal Pensions, no. So NARA won't have those records. Many Confederate Vets, however, did get a pension from their state. Check the State Archive site; many of those are on-line. Cheryl singhals@erols.com

Sky wrote: > > : Sky-Diamonds@no-dreck-please.comcast.net writes: > : > : > I tried using the RootsWeb Alumni lists facility but can't get it to > : > work (my system has no "save text with tabs" option, for example, > : > and their software refuses to accept any version I've got). > : > > : > Any suggestions about how to share this material? > : > : You do not need special software to transcribe the data from an > : alumni list into a text delimited file for submitting to the > : RootsWeb User databases. You can use any word processor and start > : off by placing column headings for each "field" you wish to include > : for each entry. For instance, you might wish to include Last name, > : First name, year of graduation, address, notes. This is just an > : example of possible column headings--you might wish to take a look > : at the existing alumni databases to see what fields others have > : included. Record each entry -- one per line, placing the data that > : applies to that entry and field--separate each item by a comma or > : other unique character not used elsewhere in the database. You must > : remember to make your fields consistent so that the proper column > : heading applies to the entries that fall under it. If you have a > : field that is to remain blank just separate it by adding another > : comma (delimiter) such as ,, (denotes a blank field). > : > : Joan <JYoung6180@aol.com> > > Thanks very much for the advice. I still can't make it work, though. > Following your directions, I was able to get my text document > accepted, however the questions screen at Rootsweb (next step after > the basic submission) will not work for me. It's located here: > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/submit/cgi-bin/dbsubmit.cgi?screen=mainform > > I'm supposed to answer several multiple-choice questions about how > my document is set up, but whenever I go to question 2, the question > page just disappears, along with any answers I was able to complete, > so I have to start the q/a cycle over again (and again). I tried > repeatedly to make it work but there's a bad glitch somewhere. Very > frustrating. Take their cookie. Cheryl singhals@erols.com

read part of the " A detour via America" fascinating 65 plus page 1877 Carl Sigerist day to day travel journal written and published by my ancestor Carl B. Sigerist in 1879 click on this URL http://www.geocities.com/karlsrsigerist/Page7.html -- srkarel@shaw.ca KarlSr@sigerist.net