Richard A. Pence <richardpence@pipeline.com> writes >In case some haven't run across this term, the Kekule Number is a >term used in Europe and is the same as what is known in North >America as the ahnentafel number or the Stradonitz number. Richard A few of us are so ignorant that we need the whole concept explained. What is the application of these numbers, please? Thanks -- Mike Rogers Mike Rogers <mike.rogers@mikerog.demon.co.uk>

John Kantzer fed this fish to the penguins: > And don't forget to look for Beaver too. Am researching Bieber's > and have seen them listed that way in the census records. One of my other posts (another thread I think) did mention that I'd found one set unber "Beaver". For both groups, I only found them be scrolling through the entire township/county on the CD-ROM set. Granted, I /knew/ "Bieber" is German for the critter, but when I found a cluster with the correct spelling I didn't expect the next mile away would be totally weird. Now if I could just afford/find something between the hypothesis that the family was still in Germany in <1840, and had made Ohio by 1845 (based upon the place of birth for two of the children). Lots of Bieber's in OH/PA... but I've been unable, so far, to link to my MI group. (I should update my web site data -- as I've moved from UFT to TMG5 I cut a /lot/ of the garbage that barely connected -- sort of a 6-degrees of separation -- to any of my family). -- > ============================================================== < > wlfraed@ix.netcom.com | Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG < > wulfraed@dm.net | Bestiaria Support Staff < > ============================================================== < > Bestiaria Home Page: http://www.beastie.dm.net/ < > Home Page: http://www.dm.net/~wulfraed/ <

Are these census errors and bad indexing in recent discussions coming from errors in the original enumerations? Or, are some or all being found only in incorrect transcriptions by ancestry.com? Important distinction. John Ballard "John H Ballard" <jballard@dslextreme.com>

> I am trying to confirm the Death of Philip Livingston in 1981 > (could be off by a year?) in an automobile accident in the Dallas, > Texas area. I haven't been able to find any record of it. The > SSN number that I have doesn't show in the SSN death index, but > maybe it or the death index is inaccurate. It seems that > Automobile fatalities of non-minors should be listed somewhere > else. Can anybody direct me? Thank you > > Kay "introspectre" <introspectre@earthlink.net> Philip Lee Livingston is listed on the Texas Death Index. His date of death in Dallas was 7-25-1981. Hope this helps Kathi

"Kimber" <k727h@aol.com> wrote: > Divorce records in Clermont Cty, OH during the years 1851 to 1949, > can be found in the county's Court of Common Pleas. <some snipped> > On the other hand, good luck finding the correct Clermont Cty > Clerk of the court! In less than 5 minutes worth of searching, I > came up with 4 different addresses and phone numbers for the > Clermont Cty I posted the clerk's URL last night but I guess it didn't make it. There's no trouble finding there right office. Do a Google search for "Clermont County Clerk." The first hit is the one needed. Click on the link to "Court of Common Pleas" in the menu at the top. Scroll down to the link for "Domestic Relations." Address and hours and duties (including maintaining case files for divorces) given and there is a link for phone numbers. Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

"Glee" <gleemc@earthlink.net> wrote: > This link will provide information about where to get vital records > in Ohio: > http://www.vitalrec.com/oh.html > It does not list divorce information specifically, but the phone > number of the County Clerk is provided............ If divorces are > not handled at the County Court, I'm sure they can point you in the > right direction. Au contraire. It DOES mention divorce records. Scroll down the page a bit. Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

Glee wrote: [snip] > Sharon: > > After your excellent post, I started snooping around on the internet > for information regarding the Library of American Civilization > Collection. Evidently, other libraries have the same problem with > the ultrafiche reader issue. There is at least one that has > provided links to which information is available online: > > http://invictus.quinnipiac.edu/lac.html > > I found information about a similar series, Early American Imprints: > Early American Imprints is similar to the Library of American > Civilization (LAC), a microbook collection that contains information > on American life and literature from the beginning to World War I. > However, Early American Imprints require no magnification and are > much easier to read due to the reformatting process. > > Series I. is a microfiche collection reproducing 42,000 early > American publications; virtually every existent book, pamphlet, and > broadside published in America from 1639 to 1800. The microfiche set > includes almanacs, bibles, charters and by-laws, cookbooks, maps, > printed music, novels, plays, poems, primers, sermons, speeches, > treaties, travelogues, and textbooks. > > <Makes me want to run to the library> > > These are indexed: > > Evans, Charles. American Bibliography. Volume 14 is the alphabetical > author/title index to the entries in volumes 1-13. > > Bristol, Roger P. Supplement to Evans American Bibliography, > including its Index and the Index of Printers, Publishers and > Booksellers. > > Shipton, Clifford Kenyon. National Index of American Imprints > through 1800, the Short Title Evans > > > There is a second series: 1801-1819. > > > If you have ancestors in the south, you might want to look at the > digitalized collection (Documenting the American South) of the > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. I love the diaries: > > http://docsouth.unc.edu/index.html > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> My local *university* library has both the first series (to 1800) and the second series (to 1819) of _Early American Imprints_. The trouble with those series is that they are printed on opaque cards, so they don't work on normal micro readers. (The cards are also two or three times as big as standard fiche sheets.) This library has the good sense to place two microopaque readers in the same corner with the _Early American Imprints_ cards, and to catalog each book or pamphlet separately and give the _Early American Imprints_ reference number in the catalog entry so there's no need to consult the printed indices. Within the past two or three years they also had the first series transferred to fiche so that people could photocopy them. Ahhhhh, microcopy collections. <g> Austin W. Spencer "Austin W. Spencer" <AustinWSpencer@cox.net>

bob gillis wrote: > When I click on the picture of the Manifest the ship Finland shows > up and not the Prince Arthur. Therefore I cannot find the port of > arrival but think it is NYC. However the Prince Arthur ususally > sailed Yarmouth to Boston. I tried searching for a G Weaver born in > Canada about 1868 from 1895 - 1906 with only one hit in 1897! <snipped> Hello Bob, Here are some useful tools for searching the Ellis Island Database that may help you... Searching the Ellis Island Database in One Step http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/ellis.html Finding Missing Manifests http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/mm.htm Good luck with your search. Regards, Joe -- Finding Passenger Lists 1820-1940s (arrivals at US Ports) http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/passengers.html k joe@genesearch.com

> I am trying to confirm the Death of Philip Livingston in 1981 (could > be off by a year?) in an automobile accident in the Dallas, Texas > area. I haven't been able to find any record of it. The SSN number > that I have doesn't show in the SSN death index, but maybe it or the > death index is inaccurate. It seems that Automobile fatalities of > non-minors should be listed somewhere else. Can anybody direct me? > Thank you > > Kay "introspectre" <introspectre@earthlink.net> Hello Kay, You can find an online Texas death index here... http://vitals.rootsweb.com/tx/death/search.cgi You can find that site and about a bazillion other death indexes listed here... Online Searchable Death Indexes for the USA http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/deathrecords.html Good luck with your search. Regards, Joe joe@genesearch.com

> I am trying to confirm the Death of Philip Livingston in 1981 > (could be off by a year?) in an automobile accident in the Dallas, > Texas area. I haven't been able to find any record of it. The > SSN number that I have doesn't show in the SSN death index, but > maybe it or the death index is inaccurate. It seems that > Automobile fatalities of non-minors should be listed somewhere > else. Can anybody direct me? > > Kay <introspectre@earthlink.net> I found Philip Livingston death record by doing a surname search US Gen Web Archives/Dallas County for Livingston. VITAL RECORDS - DALLAS COUNTY, TX - DEATHS 1981 Livingston, Philip Lee 25-Jul-1981 M For future reference, you can bypass looking through all the surname entries that pop up by going directly to the county index. When you know the date of birth, marriage or death, it saves a lot of energy. For Dallas County, the direct url to vital records is: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tx/dallas/vitals Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>

Please could anyone with access available help me out tracking a Thomas Holyman. I know for sure he was married to Lydia ? on the British 1881/1891/1901 Census. Her occupation is down as a Master Mariners Wife from the Sculcoates area of Hull,UK. He was born I guess 1836 possibly in Hull or perhaps Lincolnshire. I think he may of got somesort of seamans certificate numbered 20405 in 1866 in Hull, UK. I'm at a witsend trying to find Lydia's surname. I've been through marriages from 1851-1865 with no success. If anyone can please help I owe you one. Many thanks Stephen Walker "Steve Walker" <stevewalker@stevewalker.karoo.co.uk>

>Regarding software, specifically database software, for the past 6 >months of GM I have been reading all the recommendations and useage >difficulties and have seen many references to the use of spread >sheets and commerical (or free) genealogy software. I have been >using a very flexible - and powerful - data base - FileMaker Pro - >for several years. Because I had used it at school I was familiar >with it and decided it was my choice. The downside is that you have >to set up your own files - the upside is that they work for YOU. >But . . . you can refine the format and add any field you find that >you need later. You may import audio and graphics as well. > >My BIG problem is that my research has been going on for 30 years, >99.9% of it before the www was born. I also have my mother's >research of 35 years to reckon with. With literally hundreds and >hundreds of "yellow pads" and boxes and boxes of personal >corrspondence, I have resigned myself to "computing" new stuff and >that which has been proven. Much information and real help has been >offered to those who need management tips or advice for handling the >vast amount of material that can be amassed in this "addictive" >search, and I have gained some information on organization that I >may be able to use in some manner or fashion. I guess I want all of >you to feel sorry for me that I am still in "search" mode - the >old-fashioned way: "I know it's in this box somewhere!" > >Sharon Simnacher <simnacher@3lefties.com> Sharon, you might want to take a look at Bygones. This is a freeware program based on Filemaker Pro. It does NOT replace lineage-linked genealogy programs such as Lineages or Family Tree Maker (FTM); that is, it doesn't show family relationships. Instead it's designed specifically for entering research notes. Every word you enter is indexed, or you can index the data yourself. It consists of several databases that work together to reduce your time entering data. Bygones makes it easy to organize your data and copy it to a lineage-linked program. The developer is making Bygones available free as a way to repay those who have helped him with his genealogy research. It's an awesome program with all kinds of great features. It's also ideal for keeping track of data for people you can't yet relate to your families or those you eventually find do NOT connect. If you take a laptop to a library or other repository for research, Bygones can help your organize and complete your research data. Here's the URL for the Bygones program: http://www.bygonessoftware.com/ [Notice that the developer has included on-line "tutorials" for the program.] Here's where to subscribe to the Bygones list: Bygones-Users-L@rootsweb.com Laurie DISCLAIMER: I have no relationship to this program or its developer. I am simply one of many satisfied users, even though I don't have a laptop.

Tracking my parents families ancestral locales and genealogy is easier for the Saklad Zakl/ad side but more complex for the Somer, Kempner, Warner, Sheml families. All Saklad Zakl/ad families are related but not necessarily all Somer, Kempner, Warner, Sheml families. What hints, tips and pointers are there for gathering information a. particularly about ancestral locales b. and other genealogical details?... Cheers! oo__ Don Saklad email: dsaklad@zurich.ai.mit.edu Weblog Don Somer Kempner Warner Sheml Saklad Zakl/ad http://saklad.org ------- End of Forwarded Message

Oops, I forgot the URL in my previous post for the St. Albans FAQ. It is here... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~holdenclan/albans.htm Regards, Joe joe@genesearch.com

> This is what I get when I try to access the site > > "Sorry, but we are unable to find the file you requested". Valerie > > http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/fall_2000/ > > "Valerie Moore" <val@cdsinet.net> Hello Folks, Here is the correct URL for Marian Smith's article on the St. Albans Lists (By Way of Canada)... http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/fall_2000_us_canada_immigration_records_1.html I think part of the URL got lopped off in Bob's orginal post. There's also a nice FAQ about the St. Alban's lists here... I maintain a listing of the US arrival ports (including Canadian & Mexican border crossing records) here... http://www.genesearch.com/ports.html Good luck with your searches. Regards, Joe joe@genesearch.com

From: "Dennis Lee Bieber" <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> > John Kantzer fed this fish to the penguins: > > > Now that's one I wouldn't have thought of. Dieber. > > Yeah... and since the first letter is critical in soundex > lookup, I subsequently went through checking of Fieber, Kieber, and > Rieber (assuming a misread B in transcription: lose the middle bar > give D, lose the curves and bottom for F, top and bottom for K, and > bottom for R)... Fortunately (?) I didn't find anymore oddities. > > I was expecting variations like Biber, Beeber, Bibber.. And don't forget to look for Beaver too. Am researching Bieber's and have seen them listed that way in the census records. Pat "John Kantzer" <mkdoc@frognet.net>

The URL I gave was not shortened enoough go to: http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/ search on Albans in Progogue and you will find the article. The URL I was given was too long to paste on one line. Sorry, bob gillis bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

"Dennis Lee Bieber" <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > John Kantzer fed this fish to the penguins: > > > Now that's one I wouldn't have thought of. Dieber. > > Yeah... and since the first letter is critical in soundex > lookup, I subsequently went through checking of Fieber, Kieber, and > Rieber (assuming a misread B in transcription: lose the middle bar > give D, lose the curves and bottom for F, top and bottom for K, and > bottom for R)... Fortunately (?) I didn't find anymore oddities. > > I was expecting variations like Biber, Beeber, Bibber.. My recent experience suggests that you need to be even more creative - examples: My wife's maternal grandfather ' Maurice D. PHILLIPS' was twice enumerated as 'Morris' (which is how his daughter and granddaughter pronounce it), and in one case was enumerated as 'Morris B.'. I had already found my wife's paternal Ggrandmother, 'Georgianna DEMAR' in the 1880 census in a page by page search, prior to the LDS index being put up. Couldn't find her in the Index. Lucky for my sanity, she was living with her mother and step-father, 'Benjamin RICHARDSON', who I was able to find. In the household was 'Georgianna LEMON' and her sister Susanna LEMON. i.e. Demar=>Lemon (Note: 1870 census identified her as 'George' and Male). LOL; Dave "Dave" <barbara-dave@att.net>

<bgastright@mindspring.com> wrote: > Does anyone know how to get info about a divorce from Clermont > County. Charles Parker divorced his first wife before 1924 but > sometime around 1921 or 1922. I don't know her name but he had > two children as well. Barbara Assuming, you mean Ohio, divorce records for that period are maintained by the Court of Common Pleas in each county. The Clermont County clerk has a web site at: http://www.clermontclerk.org/ Regards, Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

> I wanted to share a good source of otherwise unknown books that > have a wealth of information. Many years ago I discovered the > Library of American Civilization (LAC) at the local university > library. It is a series of micro books with an accompanying index > (real books - not micro books). I don't know the publishing > source, but the books seem to all be written prior to about 1900. > An example is that I obtained an old leather-bound Latin book when > my grandmother died, over 40 years ago, with the name Joseph > Stockbridge written in it. <snip> > > The bad news is that after a few years I went again to check the > LAC to find all the micro books and the indexes - but the reader > had disappeared, and there is no other machine that will suffice. > although the head librarian has spend some time trying to find the > machine. I'm afraid that it just looked like an old machine when > they updated all the other microfilm readers. > > I would be very interested in finding anyone else who has also > used this series and if a reader is still available. I would add > that there is much that may never be of use to a family > researcher, but there were books on everyday life, business, > travel logs, trade, and whatever. All of the 19th century - maybe > before although I never came across one. > > Sharon Simnacher <simnacher@3lefties.com> Sharon: After your excellent post, I started snooping around on the internet for information regarding the Library of American Civilization Collection. Evidently, other libraries have the same problem with the ultrafiche reader issue. There is at least one that has provided links to which information is available online: http://invictus.quinnipiac.edu/lac.html I found information about a similar series, Early American Imprints: Early American Imprints is similar to the Library of American Civilization (LAC), a microbook collection that contains information on American life and literature from the beginning to World War I. However, Early American Imprints require no magnification and are much easier to read due to the reformatting process. Series I. is a microfiche collection reproducing 42,000 early American publications; virtually every existent book, pamphlet, and broadside published in America from 1639 to 1800. The microfiche set includes almanacs, bibles, charters and by-laws, cookbooks, maps, printed music, novels, plays, poems, primers, sermons, speeches, treaties, travelogues, and textbooks. <Makes me want to run to the library> These are indexed: Evans, Charles. American Bibliography. Volume 14 is the alphabetical author/title index to the entries in volumes 1-13. Bristol, Roger P. Supplement to Evans American Bibliography, including its Index and the Index of Printers, Publishers and Booksellers. Shipton, Clifford Kenyon. National Index of American Imprints through 1800, the Short Title Evans There is a second series: 1801-1819. If you have ancestors in the south, you might want to look at the digitalized collection (Documenting the American South) of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. I love the diaries: http://docsouth.unc.edu/index.html Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>