Landmoffat@aol.com wrote: > > Hi - In some of the early marriage records in Kentucky (1800-1860), > it shows the word intermarriage between the two persons. Exactly > what did that mean in that time period - does anyone know? So far as I can tell in VA/WV/MD, it means they married each other. I've seen consent notes where the father gives his permission for his daughter to intermarry with X. There MAY be some obscure legality being observed, but if the concern is cousin-marriage, don't bet on it. And particularly, don't bet on anyone concerned (bride, groom, parents of, minister, JP, Clerk of Court) being _aware_ of it if true. Cheryl singhals@erols.com

Frederick Powell Sr wrote: > > Listmembers, does the definition of "being a lunatic" in 1844 > indicate the individual, so described, suffered from a form of > mental instability/illness? I ask the question knowing that in > years gone by consumption might have referred to present day > diagnosis of tuberculosis. > > In other words, did lunacy in 1844 mean the same as it does today? Assuming that today's meaning is "somebody thinks you're crazy", yes. Further to Don's remarks -- "So Found" might indicate legal shenanigans, usually to do with control of money or property, rather than actual mental illness. Cheryl singhals@erols.com

Our research note for April looks forward to the April 30, 2003 bicentennial of the Louisiana Purchase, which opened the way for settlement from coast to coast, and to resources for information on the riverboats which provided early transportation. http://www.parkbooks.com/Html/research.html Looking for early settlers in the Middle West requires an understanding of the migration routes (i.e., the rivers) they used, and the possible entry points. Mary Mary Bakeman Park Genealogical Books, publishers of MN Genealogical Journal e-mail mbakeman@parkbooks.com WWW http://www.parkbooks.com/

"Frederick Powell Sr" <powell@closecall.com> wrote: > Listmembers, does the definition of "being a lunatic" in 1844 > indicate the individual, so described, suffered from a form of > mental instability/illness? I ask the question knowing that in > years gone by consumption might have referred to present day > diagnosis of tuberculosis. > > In other words, did lunacy in 1844 mean the same as it does today? I once was told that epilepsy was also described as lunacy, since they thought the moon had something to do with the seizures. amie "Amie Peoples" <hismsg@cros.net>

John Sents wrote: > > How's the best way to handle entering multiple surname spelling > variations in my genealogy program... when the person used different > ones or the records show different ones? I use TMG and record all variations that I find with the source of the variation. The variations how in the pick list so if I come across the variation I can find the person. bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

I am having a problem discovering the origin of my great- grandfather, Joseph Kwiatkowski. He was born in Germany on February 24, 1867 and supposedly immigrated to the US on January 13, 1892. I have his Naturalization Papers and they state that he was born in a town named Blato or Bilato, Germany. For two years I have searched for this town and have come to the conclusion that the spelling on his Naturalization papers was a phonetic spelling by the interviewer. There are many sound-alikes in both Germany and Poland, but I have no idea which would be the correct town. Moreover, the papers state that he came on the ship Dresden from Bremen to New York on January 13, 1892, but the Dresden did not commence voyages from Bremen to New York until MAY of 1892. I had someone do a lookup in the Germans to America books and was told that he is not there. I wrote to NARA in Washington and he was not found in their January 13, 1892 passenger lists. I also asked them to check January 13, 1893 records because the Dresden DID come to New York on that date, but NARA says the records for that date were too faint to read. I can't find him in the Ellis Island database either. I have his death certificate, St. Stanislaus (Cleveland) church marriage record, and all the census records, but none have any birth information other than "Germany" or "Poland". Can anyone offer any suggestions as to how I can discover the origin of this elusive ancestor? I would love to find his specific town of birth so that I can check out German church records. Thank you in advance for ANY help. Anne AMREINKR@aol.com

> > A little help with market research - I'm looking for names of > > genealogy magazines in the states with a good circulation base - I > > would be grateful for all and any help. > > > > T K Wilton <wilton@ntlworld.com> > > Genealogical Helper from Everton's is good. So is Ancestry's > magazine. > > "John & Neva Brigham" <neva@cwis.net> Last year the Genealogical Helper changed its name and appearance. It is now Everton's Family History Magazine. Ernest Thode

> County clerks are not hired to do genealogy, so they may not always > be willing to go dust them off in the basement (or attic) unless > you're there in person to look (or you pay or beg a local person > they know to look at them for you). > > Connie > clsheets1@prodigy.net My question has always been, if the clerks are telling you that the records do not exist because of some disaster, how do you find out if some records actually remain? And if you find out that they do, how do you get the personnel working in the the repository to admit that and to let you look for them? [ There are a number of approaches to courthouse record access: (1) Go in person and be *extremely* polite while being persistent. (2) Find a local gen/hist society which knows the courthouse well. (3) Hire a local professional who knows the courthouse well. (4) Local librarians sometimes know records better than courthouse staff. - Mod ] Polly phheld@twcny.rr.com

> How's the best way to handle entering multiple surname spelling > variations in my genealogy program... when the person used different > ones or the records show different ones? > > jsents@stny.rr.com (John Sents) Varying with the individual I use the spelling that seems to be the one they most commonly used or maybe as their birth/baptism was entered (judgement call). Then many genealogical pprograms have an 'also known as' field (in legacy the AKA field opens the dialog as 'Alternate name spellings') where I enter the variants. -- Mick Gurling CT USA "Mick Gurling" <No.Spam.mickg@toto.com>

> Listmembers, does the definition of "being a lunatic" in 1844 > indicate the individual, so described, suffered from a form of > mental instability/illness? I ask the question knowing that in > years gone by consumption might have referred to present day > diagnosis of tuberculosis. > > In other words, did lunacy in 1844 mean the same as it does today? > > Fran powell@closecall.com Hi Fran Until the 1881 Census in UK, there was a column for "Handicap", in 1891 the column was clarified as: "Whether 1) Deaf & dumb, 2) Blind, 3) Lunatic, Imbecile or Idiot They didn't mince with words then. Sorry can't offer more than this. Will await other replies with great interest. Hope someone knows the answer. Good luck. regards Ava Connelly Scotland "Ava Connelly" <aconnelly@blueyonder.co.uk>

hi lists, A question if I might, Entering family into my Prog, How would you enter a person of Catholic faith that is a Nun of the order of St Agnes. I don`t feel right leaving her as an unmarried woman. Is she not married to Christ in the church ?? I now show her with a husband named " Sister Martina of St Agnes " !! , Phil "Phil Stevens" <joephil@nwlink.com>

> John Sents <jsents@stny.rr.com> wrote: > > > How's the best way to handle entering multiple surname spelling > > variations in my genealogy program... when the person used different > > ones or the records show different ones? > > Well, I've seen quite a bit of this. If I can find their name > written by them, I'll use the spelling they did rather than, say, > that of a census-taker. If they're inconsistant (sometimes on the > same document), then that's a sure bet that they weren't all that > clear on how it should be spelled, and then I just pick a reasonable > spelling from a later generation and make notes about the various > spellings seen and where/when. > > Not a perfect system, but it's the best I came up with. Lots of our > ancestors were, after all, doing things phoenetically. > > Dave Hinz <davehinz@spamcop.net> I stick to the spelling I think they meant. Seems to be what the gedcom programs expect anyway. But I suppose they would allow changes in a pedigree. First use of LANKSHEAR was in a marriage record of 1746 after that we had many different spellings used in census and BMD records - but the LANKSHEAR spelling came out at the end. I would record the spelling variation in the source for data. LENKSHEAR LARKS LANKSHIRE etc Of course you have a problem if it is clear the ancestor meant it - example I heard of recently DAVIES who became DAVIS. -- Ron Lankshear - Sydney Aust (from Shepherds Bush & Chiswick) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ my family & document sources http://members.tripod.com/ronlankshear - try the genealogy links and suggestion "Ron" <ronlank@hotmail.com>

elliotr@alltel.net (jane) writes: > > > Where would I find descriptions or photo's of different styles of > > burial vaults? > > > > Bev <brencher@earthlink.net> > > wallace state community college in hanceville, alabama had a pretty > active geneaology ce program. the email is genws@hiwaay.net. even > though i've only asked for information concerning my family, it's > worth a try to see if someone there might have some specialized > information in that area. What about the association for gravestone studies? http://www.gravestonestudies.org/ Lisa llepore@juno.com

> A little help with market research - I'm looking for names of > genealogy magazines in the states with a good circulation base - I > would be grateful for all and any help. > > T K Wilton <wilton@ntlworld.com> Genealogical Helper from Everton's is good. So is Ancestry's magazine.

John Sents <jsents@stny.rr.com> wrote: > How's the best way to handle entering multiple surname spelling > variations in my genealogy program... when the person used different > ones or the records show different ones? Well, I've seen quite a bit of this. If I can find their name written by them, I'll use the spelling they did rather than, say, that of a census-taker. If they're inconsistant (sometimes on the same document), then that's a sure bet that they weren't all that clear on how it should be spelled, and then I just pick a reasonable spelling from a later generation and make notes about the various spellings seen and where/when. Not a perfect system, but it's the best I came up with. Lots of our ancestors were, after all, doing things phoenetically. Dave Hinz davehinz@spamcop.net

> A little help with market research - I'm looking for names of > genealogy magazines in the states with a good circulation base - I > would be grateful for all and any help. > > T K Wilton <wilton@ntlworld.com> Here are links to some sources for you, compliments of a 2-minute search for "Genealogy Magazines" on Google. http://www.cyndislist.com/magazine.htm http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3348/magazines.htm http://www.genealogymagazines.com/ http://www.daddezio.com/genealogy/magazines.html http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Genealogy/Magazines_and_E-zines/ <phinkel@pacbell.net>

> Can anyone offer any suggestions for finding landmarks and place > names featuring a particular surname? > > Jen <jmckemie@mindspring.com> You might try the Getty Thesaurus of Geographical names on line: http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/tgn/index.html glee

"Frederick Powell Sr" <powell@closecall.com> wrote: >Listmembers, does the definition of "being a lunatic" in 1844 >indicate the individual, so described, suffered from a form of >mental instability/illness? I ask the question knowing that in >years gone by consumption might have referred to present day >diagnosis of tuberculosis. > >In other words, did lunacy in 1844 mean the same as it does today? Basically, yes. It was the current medical term for what later became known as mental illness or mental disorder. It survived much longer in legal use than among the medical profession, though. There was a distinction in England, which may well have existed elsewhere, between a lunatic "so found", which meant a person formally adjudged to be so by a court, and a lunatic "not so found", who would be dealt with informally by their family and the doctors. Of course, it was not a very precise term, and many people described as lunatics in the 19th century would now be identified as suffering from something more specific, which might be physical as much as mental; porphyria is a well-known example. -- Don Aitken Don Aitken <don-aitken@freeuk.com>

Jennifer McKemie <jmckemie@mindspring.com> wrote: > Can anyone offer any suggestions for finding landmarks and place > names featuring a particular surname?... You might try plugging the surname into the "Feature name" window on the GNIS web query page, <http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form> Rollie Rollie Littlewood <rklittle@facstaff.wisc.edu>

How's the best way to handle entering multiple surname spelling variations in my genealogy program... when the person used different ones or the records show different ones? jsents@stny.rr.com (John Sents)