> > > Is there an every name 1870 census available? > > > > Yes on Genealogy.com a subscription service. > > This is head of household only on Genealogy.com............. > not an every name index.................. > > "Glee" <gleemc@earthlink.net> Actually, Glee, according to Heritage Quest, which created this index, it also indexes adults (whether with the same surname as HOH or not) and those of different surnames from the HOH. Richard P.

> > Intermarriage is usually meant as a marriage between 2 cousins or > > such. I had an aunt who married a cousin who had been adopted into > > the family but it was considered an intermarriage none the less. > > Hope this helps clarify for all. Sincerely P.Bizjak > > "Intermarriage: In the popular sense, this term denotes the > contracting of a marriage relation between two persons considered as > members of different nations, tribes, families, etc., as, between > the soverigns of two different countries, between an American and an > alien, between Indians of different tribes, between the scions of > different clans or families. But, in law, it is sometimes used (and > with propriety) to empahsize the mutuality of the marriage contract > and as importing a reciprocal engagement by which each of the > parties "marries" the other. Thus, in a pleading, instead of > averring that "the plaintiff was married to the defendant," it would > be proper to allege that "the parties intermarried" at such a time > and place." pg 952, Black's Law Dictionary, 4th ed, 1951. > > Note, for the record, that the legal definitions specifically > EXCLUDE in-family marriages. > > Cheryl <singhals@erols.com> Thus the answer to the original question is as Joan and I have said it was. In court or other legal documents, such as a marriage bond, in the early 1800s, is that intermarriage = marriage. In many jurisdictions in this time period all marriages are described as being intermarriages. No matter how many dictionary definitions you can find, It would really be stretching it to suppose that all marriages recorded in a given place and time period are either marriages of persons from different groups (e.g., Catholic-Protestant) or related persons (cousins). They are simply "marriages." Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

I am looking for info on a relative who emigrated from Dundee, Scotland to the USA - all we know is his name (William F. Baxter), his birth (1874) and the fact that he sent a photo aged about 30 with Hospital, Marshall, Texas on the back. Could anyone guide me as to how I could find more info about him? Thanks =?iso-8859-1?q?ASHTON-REDLIN=20ANNETTE?= <ashtonredlin@yahoo.co.uk>

> I have a friend who is from England has a surname that is > hyphenated, (McKay-Green). His father and grandfather's last name > was the same. I have had much trouble doing any kind of research > for this name as all inquiries come back with either McKay or Green > but not McKay-Green. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Dawn Bolton <sunsup@verizon.net> I tried the exact phrase "McKay Green" on the Google advanced search page: <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en> I got 84 hits, few of which related to genealogy, few of which used the hyphen, and none of which included English material on that surname. If there is any online data relative to your friend's ancestry, Google sure hasn't been informed of it. Austin W. Spencer "Austin W. Spencer" <AustinWSpencer@cox.net>

> http://www.avotaynu.com/ellis.html > > for your Ellis Island search? It is much better and more flexible > than the main web site. > > bob gillis Bob, I tried the web site you suggested and it could not be found. Any suggestions? Jeanette donette@means.net

I am 22 years young and I have been told that my last name isn't what it is. I haven't got much information cause nobody seems to know or willing to talk, but is there a way that I can work back from the name I have now to find what it was originally? I think it is kind of a stretch, but shouldn't it be registered with the government when it was changed? I have no idea what I am talking about, so any help on researching and what not would be greatly appreciated. TSting321 tsting321@yahoo.com (Stinger)

This has now been answered by 3 different people (2 did email directly to me). Thank you to ALL the folks for their consideration. My father's light bulb in his head finally came on after several folks mentioned number of generations before he ever saw the correct answer.. It was not the # of generation causing the problem, but he found by clicking on a member of the family where there was not a complete kinship -- then click on "more" - he then click on "lineage" -then check if that person is listed as a "natural" relative or just a family"member" (or something else). In his case the person was listed as a family member and not a ''''natural'''' like it should have. He is very happy )))))) now. I knew nothing about his program, but I suggested it most probably was some mistake in input of data; he insisted it was a bug. Now, he has learned more in computing. 99% of all computer problems are software related, and yes lots of software has bugs; his problem in FTM was not a consistent problem shared with other relatives (just a few). Anyway --- thank you ALL!!! Sincerely - Randy O. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ NOTE: Remove removeremove and the _ and ( or ) marks in my email address to reply, if they show up in my address. I'm trying to stop Spam. "Randy O." <emguy@execpc.com>

> My father uses Family Tree Maker ver. 8, and he is having a > disappointing and puzzling problem. When he does Kinship reports on > 90% or more of his relatives, he'll get a very complete long list > including my father's name in the report (just like it should be). > He has some, just a few descendant that a Kinship report will only > show perhaps 10 names, when the report should be very long. Try this. First go to the family page of one of the people that he is havig trouble with. Go to view/ kinship report. Once that is on the screen click contents at the top menu and click # of generations to include.Make that number higher. It may be that some of the people in his data base have not been connected and this is causing the problem. There is a roots list for FTM that has a wonderful lady who can fix almost anything in FTM. She helped me straighten mine out when I thought there was no hope. If this does not work, try subscribing to that list and placing a query- I'm sure you'll get an answer. JoAnne Turner "Jo Anne Turner" <slurner@bellsouth.net>

> My father uses Family Tree Maker ver. 8, and he is having a > disappointing and puzzling problem. When he does Kinship reports on > 90% or more of his relatives, he'll get a very complete long list > including my father's name in the report (just like it should be). > He has some, just a few descendant that a Kinship report will only > show perhaps 10 names, when the report should be very long. He has > checked his submission of data, and he can not figure why the > reports are not complete. He is 79 and frustrated. He swears there > must be a bug in the program, but I said it's probably some way some > data must have been entered (such as a comma , initially, space, or > other slight difference in a data entry) in a way which makes this > program act screwy when giving a proper complete Kinship report. > Has anyone had this problem, and what was the solution? The poor > guy had a heart attack abt. 3 mo. ago, and this is main > entertainment and hobby. Please help! I may cross post this message > to other groups because he has worked so hard on the genealogy, and > he is very disappointed right now. Thanks -- if you read and > consider this query> > > Sincerely - Randy O <emguy@execpc.com> It probably is something simple, but I love to make those kind of errors myself. I would first look at the area under Family Page > More > Lineage > and see if something other than "natural" parent was checked for the person who has an abbreviated kinship report. there is also a check mark here to "Exclude this relationship from Trees and Kinship" that could be causing the problem. warmest, charles Charles <lmnoNOSPAM@mindspring.com>

> If you are lucky enough to have research in Harris County, Texas, > the county government has an online, searchable database of births, > marriages, deaths, voter registration, probate, taxes, deed indexes. > Dates vary dependent on the database, but generally, 1960 through > present. Tax database is for current information only. Enjoy > before the State of Texas passes legislation to block access: > > http://www.co.harris.tx.us/websrvcs.html > > "Glee" <gleemc@earthlink.net> Does not work for my son, born in 1960. Ed

>From living in Germany I remember that the language doesn't have a >"V" sound - when we lived there even "VICKS" mentolatum was >pronounced WICKS. > >Judy "Genealogy Bug" <genealogy_love@cox.net> Interesting, you'd think they would pronounce it FICKS. What part of Germany was this? My step-grandfather was from Austria, and he always pronounced my cousin Vicky's name as Wicky. Terry

> > > Is there an every name 1870 census available? > > > > > > "Kathy" <kbossong@woh.rr.com> > > > > Yes on Genealogy.com a subscription service. > > > > Dick > > This is head of household only on Genealogy.com............. not an > every name index.................. > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> If you have a local library card and they have a subscription to Proquest, you may be able to use this for your 1870 census. It's only indexed with head of household but you may be able to browse through the census to look for your family member. Best of all it's free.

Thanks for all of the responses for my question on "Intermarriage." It seems I can pick and choose which version I want! In addition to the marriage record I mentioned, I have found the term on Civil War Pension files as late as 1900, where the individual says they were widowed, not had not "intermarried" with anyone else. Lorraine Landmoffat@aol.com

> > In an old (1934) family letter there is reference to "Uncle Wicta". > > It is written quite legibly, but it certainly seems like an unusual > > first name. So I'm wondering if it is right, or if I'm mis-reading > > it somehow. If not actually 'Wicta" what could it be, or is it some > > kind of nickname? > > > > "Uncle Wicta" was born Abt 1820 and came from Prussia Bef 1850. > > > > jsents@stny.rr.com (John Sents) > > It's certainly not a common name, but is a name in its own right and > has some spelling variations. See: > > http://www.cyberstudia.com/ogmios/texts/simpson/catstane/catstane.html > > for some information. > > Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> Do you know how some people get nicknames given by children learning to talk? Perhaps this is a child learning to call someone Uncle Victor and hasn't learned to say his "v's" and "r's" well? That would certainly account for Wicta. People carry those nicknames all their lives to the exasperation of other family members.....! (Usually the kid that gave them!) ;) amie "Amie Peoples" <hismsg@cros.net>

> > From living in Germany I remember that the language doesn't have a > > "V" sound - when we lived there even "VICKS" mentolatum was > > pronounced WICKS. > > > > Judy "Genealogy Bug" <genealogy_love@cox.net>=0D > > The German language does have a V sound. The letter W is pronounced > as we do V. The letter V sounds like our F. > > You are right about so many having trouble with the English V. My > daughter-in-law was a "Willage" Nurse in Switzerland though she has > no trouble with the V sound in Swiss/German words. I think it is > simply a common confusion. Actually she has been here long enough > that she is beginning to master it. > > "Celia Mitschelen" <cmitsch@ix.netcom.com> We do too have a "V" sound Viktoria und Vase

Was just fortunate enough to find a will written in 1888.....in German and in script so I can't even make out majority of individual letters to send to any of the on-line translation services. You'll probably be reading a lot more German script if you are just back to 1888 and are already finding it. You may want to teach yourself to decipher what will no doubt be the first of many such documents you'll need to read as you work your way back in your family history. This book was immensely helpful to me: "If I Can, You Can Decipher Germanic Records", by Edna Bentz. It's a small, home-made spiral bound book and sells for about $12. Doing a quick search I found several people on line willing to do translations, but if you have a one-page will, all you really need is an abstract, leaving out the legal jargon and giving you names, etc. If you have a university or college nearby, see if a student taking German (or even better, a German student!) will help. I have found that many young people can't read the old script, however. It has helped me to enlarge such documents on the Xerox, and to highlight the important words on the enlargement. Jan Hall Halltall@aol.com

> > > Is there an every name 1870 census available? > > > > > > "Kathy" <kbossong@woh.rr.com> > > > > Yes on Genealogy.com a subscription service. > > > > Dick > > This is head of household only on Genealogy.com............. not an > every name index.................. > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> Hi Glee, I just checked a few names of females to check for sure and you are right. I had looked for some individual women and found them listed but that is because they were of a different surname than the head of household, so I think I had assumed it was an all name index. I think I was also confusing it with the 1910 index which IS an all name index. Thanks for the correction. Dick Hillenbrand Syracuse, NY "Dick Hillenbrand" <richhill@twcny.rr.com>

A company in Utah has published indices for the 1870 census. I saw several of these for the midwestern states at the Wisconsin State Historical library. I am sorry the name of the publisher isn't in my notes. I found out the books are about $300 each, and didn't buy any! Try an on-line search for the specific census you want to examine. Volunteers on some sites have posted such indexing for us all. Jan Hall Halltall@aol.com

There is an 1870 all name index on genealogy.com - It is a subscription based service and there are several errors and omissions, (like all census indexes,) but it is really worth it. IMOH. > > Is there an every name 1870 census available? > > > > Kathy > > No, unfortunately not.............. I'm dreaming of an every name > index for all the census years. Maybe one of these days. > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> There is an 1870 all name index on genealogy.com - It is a subscription based service and there are several errors and omissions, (like all census indexes,) but it is really worth it. IMOH.

> My father uses Family Tree Maker ver. 8, and he is having a > disappointing and puzzling problem. When he does Kinship reports on > 90% or more of his relatives, he'll get a very complete long list > including my father's name in the report (just like it should be). > He has some, just a few descendant that a Kinship report will only > show perhaps 10 names, when the report should be very long. He has > checked his submission of data, and he can not figure why the > reports are not complete. He is 79 and frustrated. He swears there > must be a bug in the program, but I said it's probably some way some > data must have been entered (such as a comma , initially, space, or > other slight difference in a data entry) in a way which makes this > program act screwy when giving a proper complete Kinship report. > Has anyone had this problem, and what was the solution? The poor > guy had a heart attack abt. 3 mo. ago, and this is main > entertainment and hobby. Please help! I may cross post this > message to other groups because he has worked so hard on the > genealogy, and he is very disappointed right now. Thanks -- if you > read and consider this query > Sincerely - Randy O Some time for unknown reasons FTM will do its own thing and goof this up. Go to the last person it shows and on the family page click on more about on every one on the linage. See if a check mark appears where it shouldn't (leave out this relationship or a wrong relationship is shown.) I don't know how this happens but it does. Deana Smith GOOD LUCK hope this helps. "Dora Smith" <deanae@alltel.net>