Halltall@aol.com wrote: > Was just fortunate enough to find a will written in 1888.....in > German and in script so I can't even make out majority of individual > letters to send to any of the on-line translation services. > [...] Do you know e-transcriptum ? It is a free translations service, dedicated to genealogy related texts. We receive a lot of German texts to translate, often in old scripts. Feel free to send scans to us, it will be a pleasure to help you. Our address : http://e-transcriptum.net Yours faithfully. Pascal Pinan-Lucarre -- PGP KeyID : 0x51112D12 Pascal Pinan-Lucarre <spam-mgt@genealogie.to>

HI: I'm researching my ancestor MOSES BERRY. Have finally set up a timeline for him -- his age when he married, when his children were born, and trying to match him and his wife and children up with Slave Inhabitant records for MASON COUNTY, KY. Not making much headway and would like some suggestions as to how to proceed. Moses and his son Alex were part of the estate of ROBERT H. BALDWIN in 1863. Moses had a wife, Mariah, and two children, ARTHUR and BELLE, whose whereabouts in 1863 I don't know -- yet. So far I've figured out that in 1860, Moses was about age 40, Alex was 17, Mariah was 24, Alex was 14, Arthur was 5, and Belle was 4. Slave ownership records list the following slave owners who *may* have owned 1 or more of them. Most of these people owned more slaves than the ones listed: ANTHONY KILGORE: 1 male, age 40; 1 male, age 12 JEMIMA CLARK: 1 male age 5 (but also 1 female age 28, 1 female age 7) MATILDA A. WOOD: 1 female age 25, 1 male age 13, 1 male age 5 ROBERT A. BALDWIN: 1 female age 40, 1 male age 37, 1 male age 14 JOHN P METCALF: 1 male age 40, 1 male age 15, 1 male age 6 None of these people owned the whole family. Kilgore seems most likely to have owned Moses and Alex, because the ages match up best. *But* none of them own a 4-year-old girl, and the only 4-year-old listed on the Slave Inhabitants Schedule is listed as Fugitive from State. So I believe I'm stuck as to which of these slave owners to concentrate on for further research. Also, I'm not sure which records to check -- tax lists???? to hone in on the years 1861-1863, before Baldwin died. It seems to make sense to research year by year back from 1863, correct? Again -- help! Thanks! KBerry Kdberr1@aol.com

Jane Hodges-Kuebler wrote: >Is there a way to translate the info given with the Familysearch.org >1880 census into something easily searchable in Heritage Quest? The Source Information at the bottom of each Household Record on Familysearch tells you the Census Place and Page Number. I have a subscription to both the Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com census images and haven't used the Heritage Quest ones available at libraries, but I assume the Genealogy.com ones work almost the same since they are from the same source. Example: Census Place was Kaw, Jefferson Co., Kansas, page # was 267A. Click on 1880 census, click on Kansas, click on Jefferson Co., click on Kaw; in this case 267A was the first page that appeared, but I could have then entered the page number. (Thanks to recent discussions here re: how to access Heritage Quest thru libraries, I'll be saving myself some bucks in the future) >Also, assuming that you want hard copy files of your documentation, >how do you make census records? Do you transcribe, print the image, >print a blank form and fill in some/all of the census page? What do >you all recommend? I transcribe by hand onto pre-printed census forms; what I transcribe depends upon my purpose. I always transcribe exactly the complete info for the family I'm researching; I transcribe at least the names of heads of household for the neighbors at least 5 to 10 families on both sides of the target family* when I have little to no clue as to who the relatives of my target family are; and I always try to transcribe everyone in that locality with the same surname (luckily, all my ancestors were farmers in small rural communities). (* This of course doesn't work in the early census like 1820 when the census taker decided to be helpful and alphabetize the county). I'm experimenting with a freeware program called Bygones that has templates for the U.S. census so that I don't have to retype source info into Legacy; I'm not sure yet whether it will meet my needs. I typically don't print hard copies as they are almost impossible to read later. The only use for such copies that I can see would be if I were applying to join a lineage society. Connie Sheets clsheets1@prodigy.net

> My grandmother was Canadian, married to a US citizen in 1905 (in > Canada). They lived their entire married life in the US. I know > she voted after women won the right to do so. Before 1919, I > believe was no advantage to citizenship for her, and in any case, > she was married to a US citizen. I don't see anything anywhere that > she would have had to go through a citizenship process and therefore > have left a paper trail. Still, if there is one someplace, I'd like > to have it. Anyone? > > "Elizabeth Richardson" <erichktn@worldnet.att.net> Until women got the vote in the US, her naturalization was completed when the minister said "I now pronounce you man and wife." The only paperwork will be the marriage certificate. Cheryl

> Is there a way to translate the info given with the Familysearch.org > 1880 census into something easily searchable in Heritage Quest? > > Also, assuming that you want hard copy files of your documentation, > how do you make census records? Do you transcribe, print the image, > print a blank form and fill in some/all of the census page? What do > you all recommend? > > Jane Hodges-Kuebler ("Maria Kelley" <mariakjek@juno.com>) Maria: What I do with the Family Search 1880 census records, is to use the 'select all', copy and paste to Microsoft Word, and then convert the table to text and change the font. It creates a much better permanent format. To answer your question about census records and hard files: I think this depends on how you obtained the information and how easy it is to easily retrieve and check your work. Since I have online access to all census years, I do not save a copy of the census image, but transcribe the cenus and record in my genealogy database citation area the full census transcription for the household. If I did not have a genealogy program and online access, I would print and save a copy of the actual census page. For other records other than census, i.e., original wills and deeds, I transcribe the information in the program and save a copy of the actual record in hard copy, with an annotation in my database program that there is a copy of the original on file. I know others that scan each census page and retain on their computer, but since I am census record junkie, this just is too much for the number of census records that I have. If you want a hard copy of everything, I would recommend having a hard copy of the original, rather than the transcription, since it would be a way to determie the accuracy of your data and you can easily check whether that middle initial is clearing a 'J' like you first assumed. I'm not sure what you mean when you ask how to convert the census to something searchable on Heritage Quest............... You can certainly search for each member of the household by name, but I think you meant something other than that by your question. Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>

My grandmother was Canadian, married to a US citizen in 1905 (in Canada). They lived their entire married life in the US. I know she voted after women won the right to do so. Before 1919, I believe was no advantage to citizenship for her, and in any case, she was married to a US citizen. I don't see anything anywhere that she would have had to go through a citizenship process and therefore have left a paper trail. Still, if there is one someplace, I'd like to have it. Anyone? Elizabeth Richardson Ketchikan, Alaska "Elizabeth Richardson" <erichktn@worldnet.att.net>

Hi all, Is there a way to translate the info given with the Familysearch.org 1880 census into something easily searchable in Heritage Quest? Also, assuming that you want hard copy files of your documentation, how do you make census records? Do you transcribe, print the image, print a blank form and fill in some/all of the census page? What do you all recommend? Thanks, Jane Hodges-Kuebler Maria Kelley <mariakjek@juno.com>

Dear List, Thank You All! I have received alot of Very Good advice both For & Against Contacting = My Aunt. I want to assure Everyone that I am not entering into this lightly, this has been on My Mind for a Very Long time. I have a Cousin who spoke to My Grandfather Years Ago & at that time He was trying to Reach Out to His Sons, Unfortunately they decided Not to Reunite with their Father. Ironically My Father had 8 Children Himself & did not raise any of them, He too Vanished from Our Lives. Just as My Grandfather had. My Mother passed away 4 years ago So about 1 year later I started My Family Research. I found My Father about 2 weeks into it. Unfortunately My Grandmother had already passed on & I was unable to Ever meet Her & My Uncle passed away 2 weeks after I found My Father. I have always been a Very Curious Individual, Always asking Why & How & When & Where, this use to make My Mother Crazy. Then I discover that My Grandfather was a Private Investigator. I am learning about My Grandmother through Her Children & Her Second Husband. I have photos of Her Now & My Oldest Sister Looks Very Much like Her. I also discovered My Brothers Middle Name (Adair) is handed down in My Fathers Family. I believe You learn about Who You are through Family & Frankly My Aunt is the Only Person alive today that can tell Me Anything at All about My Grandfather. She grew up with Him & He had removed Himself from His Family so much that I was the one to Inform His Family of His Death. No One notified them & His Brother had been trying to contact Him. I also want to assure Everyone that I Never had any intention of telling My Aunt that She was Adopted, I believe I do not have the Right to tell Her. I have Decided to contact Her in a letter, I am going to tell Her that I am Researching the Family Name & Send Her a Family Sheet to fill out. I do not have to tell Her exactly Who I am the First Time. Maybe She will respond & Hopefully list 2 Sons. Thanks Again For Your Time & Advice "CindyKay" <paulmac5@bellsouth.net>

>I have both Ancestry, and Genealogy.com, because the census indexing >is completely different for each. The short answer is that if a >census year is indexed on Ancestry.com, it is not indexed on >genealogy.com. So therefore, for the 1870, 1900 and 1910 census >records, I need genealogy.com for the indexes. I'm not sure why you >do not like the census records of Ancestry, but you will find that >the indexes on Genealogy.com are LESS flexible. On Genealogy.com, >You can not use wildcard searches. >You can not search for a particular surname by county. >You can not search for one particular given name by county. >You can not enter search parameters for age, place of birth, etc. > >There may be other differences that do not immediately come to mind. > >Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> The entities (Ancestry.com, Genealogy.com, Heritage Quest Online, familysearch.org, and the U.S. GenWeb) offering censuses online (free or by paid subscription) have up to now done an outstanding job of working to compliment one another's services, providing researchers the most complete availability as fast as possible while keeping them all in business without too much competition until the work is all done. Regardless of what they say, as the census work by the paid companies nears completion, I expect the acquisition of Genealogy.com by Ancestry.com will eventually mean the merger of many of their services. Heritage Quest offers all the complete census images except 1900, so you can browse through any of them at will. In doing so, you can also easily find a specific image if you have the series, roll, and page numbers, or by selecting the year, state, county, and location (precinct, township, etc.). HQ has completed indices for 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820, 1860, 1870, 1890 (what little exists), 1910 and 15 states of 1920. When they get 1920 done, they will follow with 1930, and presumably complete the earlier ones after that. Of course, the indices of pre-1850 censuses are limited to heads of households, as were the censuses. The indices for 1870, 1910, and presumably whatever is left in 1890, are heads of households and individuals in a household who are not part of the immediate nuclear family unit (head of household, spouse, & children). In other words, senior parents, adult siblings of the head of household, servants, boarders, etc. are usually found indexed separately. I do not believe Heritage Quest offers either wildcard searches or soundex searches. It *does* allow for searches for only a given name (or even single initial) without any surname (even allowing single initial searches for surnames where it perhaps couldn't be read), as well as providing an advanced search option for searches by county; specific "location" (such as township or precinct); and with specific search parameters for age, sex, race, and/or birthplace for searches from 1850 forward. (Ironically, they say from 1850 forward, but they don't have the 1850, 1880, or 1900 census indexed. Heritage Quest also includes images of over 25,000 family and local history books, including many city directories and very old references. Many public libraries now offer free remote access to Heritage Quest (from your home computer) through the library website, usually using your library card number to sign in. The licensing contract libraries have with Ancestry.com will only permit in-library access (which significantly limits the library's service to its elderly and disabled patrons, but no doubt would cut down significantly on individual subscriptions to Ancestry.com) Heritage Quest/ProQuest only offers 'professional' subscriptions, and as such, in my opinion you get a much more 'professional' level of quality (and accuracy) in the product. Richard Pence has mentioned that HQ uses the same indices as Genealogy.com, but my experience has nevertheless been that of encountering and hearing of many more errors in Genealogy.com and especially on Ancestry.com. In all fairness, that might be a result of more people using those services since they offer individual subscriptions; but after years of using HQ, I only just encountered my first indexing error on HQ a few days ago. If your own public library does not offer Heritage Quest yet, you should encourage them to do so. In the meantime, a little effort spent checking all the hits you get on Google.com by searching for ["Heritage Quest Online" + library} will very likely result in one that will let you in for free; or a library that offers it to paying library patrons such as was mentioned just last week: The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society for $60, or the Godfrey Library in Connecticut for $35, either of which I would consider much better than Ancestry.com. When checking those library hits you get on google.com, make sure to go all the way in past the search screen, and make sure you try from home both links the library provides for access (in library and remote), since things aren't always as they appear to be. Sometimes, the one for remote access requires a card number to be entered, while the in-house one lets you right in, whether you are actually in the library or not. Diane genmail@1st.net

Charles Donaghe <cdonaghe@cableone.net> wrote: > Also remember that Ancestry has just acquired Genealogy.com so > before long they will be one and the same. That was my hope also. However today I talked to someone from ancestry.com and asked if and when they would become one. I was told that plans now call for them to continue to operate as two different entities, each doing its own thing and continuing in that vein. So, I also was told, if I want to get the indexed 1900 census online, I will have to subscribe to genealogy.com. Of course who knows what the future will bring. If you have access to the Heritage Quest censuses via your local library - as I do luckily - they are the best. They are the easiest to search and to manipulate. They do have the 1870 and the 1910 censuses indexed as well as earlier ones. Janey E. Joyce in San Antonio, Texas Janey Joyce <jejoyce@sbcglobal.net>

>cecilia wrote: > > > > Glee wrote: > > > > > ...... the Master > > > Genealogist by Wholly Genes software that allows you to enter > > > unlimited sources for the specific piece of data, assigning sureties > > > for each one of them............. > > > > Can you give the same source a surety for one fact and a different > > surety for another? > > The sureties are part of the source citation and not the source so > each citation connected to a tag/event/fact has its own sureties. > > Most Tags in TMG has 2 Principals, Date, Place and Memo and a surety > with a range of 0 to 3 and - ( = erroneous) can be assigned to each. > > bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net> RootsMagic (and its precursor, Family Origins) has the same concept, where you assign a certainty level to each citation of the source. Which makes sense, since most sources contain multiple facts, at varying levels. For example, on a death certificate the date of death should be pretty certain (though there are always exceptions) while the other information, especially if given by a distraught relative, may not be. Terry Terry Brown <terry.brown@acm.org>

Cindy and listers-- I feel the need to chime in here as I do have experience with this issue. After emails back and forth between this very helpful person regarding my father (he left us when I was very young) and his family's genealogy, he told me he was also my father's child from a previous marriage and there were more siblings. Although I am thrilled to have this whole new family, later I learned that my father had not divorced prior to marrying my mother. My mother is elderly and I have great concerns that somehow she will find out which would devistate her. Tough call on this one. Good luck to you. mglory@hutchtel.net

> I have both Ancestry, and Genealogy.com, because the census indexing > is completely different for each. The short answer is that if a > census year is indexed on Ancestry.com, it is not indexed on > genealogy.com. So therefore, for the 1870, 1900 and 1910 census > records, I need genealogy.com for the indexes. I'm not sure why you > do not like the census records of Ancestry, but you will find that > the indexes on Genealogy.com are LESS flexible. On Genealogy.com, > You can not use wildcard searches. > You can not search for a particular surname by county. > You can not search for one particular given name by county. > You can not enter search parameters for age, place of birth, etc. > > There may be other differences that do not immediately come to mind. > > Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net> Also remember that Ancestry has just acquired Genealogy.com so before long they will be one and the same. Charlie

In answer to your query if you have a local library that subscribes to Proquest(which is heritage quest) and you can access the library's database from home then you can get this for free. Check with your library. The 1870, 1910 are already indexed although not every name. The 1920 is in the process of being indexed. Roxanne Koelpin "Roxanne Koelpin" <r.koelpin@verizon.net>

When you are looking in to investing in Ancestry or Heritage Quest don't forget to check if your local or regional libraries allow access to one or the other for library card holders. You may be able to get one through your library and then can purchase one on your own. Mary Mannix ************************* Mary K. Mannix Maryland Room Manager C. Burr Artz Central Library Frederick County Public Libraries Frederick, MD www.fcpl.org Home of the Linton-Holdcraft Obituary Collection Mary Mannix <mm0028@mail.pratt.lib.md.us>

> Yes, indeed.. This is the government we are dealing with. There > have been quite a few stories of people having their social security > payments cut off because someone reported them dead and they were > not. I am not sure that, having straightened it out they would be > on the database, but it is definitely possible for someone to make > the database without actually dying!. > > Jane Hodges-Kuebler This happened to my son, who gets ss because of a disability, when some joker at an old address apparently wrote "deceased" on a piece of mail that was returned. We had to go through quite a bit to get him back among the living as far as ss was concerned. Joan B "Joan Best" <joanbest@earthlink.net>

mariakjek@juno.com writes: > Yes, indeed.. This is the government we are dealing with. There > have been quite a few stories of people having their social security > payments cut off because someone reported them dead and they were > not. I am not sure that, having straightened it out they would be > on the database, but it is definitely possible for someone to make > the database without actually dying!. Jane- I wouldn't say "quite a few" but it does happen from time to time. Once a correction is reported the error would be removed from the next monthly update to the SSDI. Joan JYoung6180@aol.com

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:03:43 -0700 Charles Sullivan <cwsulliv@triad.rr.com> writes: > > Richard A. Pence wrote: > > <snip> > > Only these four conditions must exist for a name to be on the > list: > > > > 1. The person is dead. > > 2. The person had a SS number. > > 3. Someone reported the death to SSA. > > 4. The SSA entered the information > > in its database (correctly). > > > Condition 3 makes Condition 1 unnecessary. :-) > > Charles Sullivan <cwsulliv@triad.rr.com> LOL Yes, indeed.. This is the government we are dealing with. There have been quite a few stories of people having their social security payments cut off because someone reported them dead and they were not. I am not sure that, having straightened it out they would be on the database, but it is definitely possible for someone to make the database without actually dying!. Jane Hodges-Kuebler Maria Kelley <mariakjek@juno.com>

> Of these 3 paid programs which do you folks like the best? I have > ancestry census and so far not a very big fan. Thinking of trying > one of the others but want your opinions. > > Genealogy.com, Heritage Quest, and Ancestry indexes. > > BANDGMETAL@aol.com le I have both Ancestry, and Genealogy.com, because the census indexing is completely different for each. The short answer is that if a census year is indexed on Ancestry.com, it is not indexed on genealogy.com. So therefore, for the 1870, 1900 and 1910 census records, I need genealogy.com for the indexes. I'm not sure why you do not like the census records of Ancestry, but you will find that the indexes on Genealogy.com are LESS flexible. On Genealogy.com, You can not use wildcard searches. You can not search for a particular surname by county. You can not search for one particular given name by county. You can not enter search parameters for age, place of birth, etc. There may be other differences that do not immediately come to mind. Glee <gleemc@earthlink.net>

Richard A. Pence wrote: <snip> > Only these four conditions must exist for a name to be on the list: > > 1. The person is dead. > 2. The person had a SS number. > 3. Someone reported the death to SSA. > 4. The SSA entered the information > in its database (correctly). Condition 3 makes Condition 1 unnecessary. :-) Regards, Charles Sullivan Charles Sullivan <cwsulliv@triad.rr.com>