> It is simply identifying the occupations of the two men. > > William West is a cooper (pot maker I believe) > > John Waters is a turner (can't remember this one has to do with > turning items during production) > > Julia <FamRSearch@aol.com> Cooper is a barrel maker.

> May I suggest this article: > > "Effective Use of Genealogy Newsgroups (and Mailing Lists)" > > http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/effect.htm > > "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> Richard, Very funny, now write one that is useful to all of us newbies. Thank you in advance. A New List Reader.

Our Minnesota research note for May summarizes some of the major on-line resources for family historians searching within the state for people, places and local history. You can find it at http://www.parkbooks.com/Html/research.html Note that you can sign up to receive an e-mail each time a new note is added. Happy hunting! Mary Mary Bakeman Park Genealogical Books, publishers of MN Genealogical Journal e-mail mbakeman@parkbooks.com WWW http://www.parkbooks.com/

> Frederick Powell Sr wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, in the last five years, five of our close family > > members have died in GA, MD, NY and PA. Each undertaker in each > > state did indeed forward death notice to SS. The specific SS branch > > is unknown to us. > > Are you saying that these five people are not in the SSDI even > though the death certificate was sent to the SSA? > > bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net> I've noticed that SSDI names were added only after all claims were satisfied. IOW if someone in the family is still collecting from that account, the name will not show up. I haven't confirmed this. Anyone else notice this, or has anyone found a rule stating this? Bob "Bob Furtaw" <bob@furtaw.com>

rpgillis@bellatlantic.net writes: > The SS-5 is the application that a person filled out when applying > for a SSN. It is not a vital piece of information if you know his > both date and place and parents. It will tell you when and where he > applied and who he was working for. I agree with what Bob writes but will add two points of possible interest: (1) the SS application is acceptable to both DAR and UDC as proof of birth and proof of parentage when those vital records are not available elsewhere [perhaps acceptable to other lineage societies but I know of only the two cited]; (2) there is available from SS a record of the deceased's employment. A record of all the jobs held by the deceased since a SS number was obtained, costs a great deal more than $27, but is invaluable as a search tool when one does not know where one's ancestor may have lived at periods of his lifetime. [Fran's note: I do not know how SS bases its fees for the latter type of application. In recent years I know of one that cost $87; one that cost $92; another that cost $74, etc.] Fran powell@closecall.com

"Margie" <margie92@earthlink.net> writes: > Do I have to buy my ancestor's social security record at the price > of $27, or can I go somewhere in person just to view it? Margie - Unfortunately there is no place to just view them. They also offer something called a numident which you can get for $16. It is a computer-generated form containing the information on the SS-5, rather than an actual copy. The copy is nicer though, if you want to have a sample of your ancestor's handwriting. It's a pretty pricey source of information, if you already have the data it provides - but it will provide the date of birth, place of birth, and name of parents if it has been filled out completely. Sometimes however, you may only end up with a numident even if you order the $27 copy, because for some reason they no longer have the actual application. Lisa llepore@juno.com

"bob gillis" <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > > Unfortunately, in the last five years, five of our close family > > members have died in GA, MD, NY and PA. Each undertaker in each > > state did indeed forward death notice to SS. The specific SS branch > > is unknown to us. > > Are you saying that these five people are not in the SSDI even > though the death certificate was sent to the SSA? Bob, I thought she said that unfortunately they lost some family / friends, but that their deaths were indeed reported to the SSA by the funeral homes, as is generally the case these days. If the names are not in the death master index, then there has been a major breakdown in the input process! Richard "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com>

> The subject says it all. I am a true neophyte to genealogy and have > done some searching out on the net. However, I feel my searches > would be more fruitful if I had guidance or tips on how to search > for the best sites/groups. > > Do any of you have a short list of (a) books or (b) net sites that > would cover the basics of internet genealogy searches? I am loathe > to pay Ancestry.com $30 for an intro genealogical research on the > internet course. > > lwitz1967@hotmail.com (L. Witzig) http://www.familytreemaker.com/ has both an extensive how-to guide and genealogy lessons. Scroll down the page to find them. Good luck. Anita "buckeyegal" <buckeyegal@insight.rr.com>

> > Do some genealogic work. With such a unique surname, you should be > > able to make some pretty good headway. > > > > Michael Cuell <mcuell.garbage@shaw.ca> > > I've done quite some searching, but haven't come far, IMHO... > > What I DO have so far is online at > > http://evert.meulie.net/paf/ > > Evert Meulie Looks like good work to me. I notice that your earliest date is about 1711. That is reasonably far back for most folks. Record keeping was not too good before 1700 unless you were part of the aristocracy, the church, or had some other reason to have your particulars recorded. My own research takes me back to 1692 in England. I don't have much hope of getting any further back as the family name comes from "farmer stock". Regards... Michael Michael Cuell <mcuell.garbage@shaw.ca>

Margie wrote: > > Do I have to buy my ancestor's social security record at the price > of $27, or can I go somewhere in person just to view it? The SS-5 is the application that a person filled out when applying for a SSN. It is not a vital piece of information if you know his both date and place and parents. It will tell you when and where he applied and who he was working for. At $27 I have not found it necessary to order one. I doubt very much that the SSA Records Center somewhere in the midwest has that facilities for people to drop in and look at the records. If they do, it probably coasts more that the $27 for a copy of the SS-5. Margie, this list is set up to reply to the list. You have your e-mail address in the Reply To box in your preferences in your e-mail program, probably Outlook Express. Having your e-mail address there overrides the rootsweb e-mail software. Unless you are sending your messages from work and want replies sent to your home, then you do not need that Reply To filled out. bob gillis bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

> > For the basic information on newsgroups, subscribe to > > news.newusers.questions and read the regular information postings > > there. > > > > Can someone else suggest a good guide to the ins and outs of mailing > > lists? (I don't use them when I can avoid it). > > May I suggest this article: > > "Effective Use of Genealogy Newsgroups (and Mailing Lists)" > > It can be found here: > > http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/effect.htm > > For best results, one is advised to read through until the very > end. > > "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> Richard, That was a fine piece of humor. It really had me riled up until I came to the punch line. Jack "news.verizon.net" <vze44cyk@verizon.net>

evert@meulie.net writes: > I've done quite some searching, but haven't come far, IMHO... > > What I DO have so far is online at > > http://evert.meulie.net/paf/ Have you tried google.com, entering Meulie+genealogy? Lots of Meulie's there. Are any of them yours? JoanC JCastenada@aol.com

Michael Cuell <mcuell.garbage@shaw.ca> wrote: > Do some genealogic work. With such a unique surname, you should be > able to make some pretty good headway. I've done quite some searching, but haven't come far, IMHO... What I DO have so far is online at http://evert.meulie.net/paf/ Regards, Evert Meulie evert@meulie.net (Evert Meulie esq.)

I'm new to this list. Do I have to buy my ancestor's social security record at the price of $27, or can I go somewhere in person just to view it? Margie "Margie" <margie92@earthlink.net>

Frederick Powell Sr wrote: > > Unfortunately, in the last five years, five of our close family > members have died in GA, MD, NY and PA. Each undertaker in each > state did indeed forward death notice to SS. The specific SS branch > is unknown to us. Are you saying that these five people are not in the SSDI even though the death certificate was sent to the SSA? bob gillis bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net>

> > From: "Polly Held" phheld@twcny.rr.com > > Those are abstracts of SS-5 information, not images. > > <snip> > > Can you explain what you mean by abstract vs image? I would > consider what is on the first page, the index, to be an abstract, > someone has typed out some of the information contained in the > image, but when you click on the person's name, an image appears, at > least it does on my end, and I don't consider that an image. > > <snip> > > k727h@aol.com (Kimber) Sorry, I was using the search box at the top and being taken to abstracts and instructions on how to order the actual records. You are absolutely correct--clicking on the names takes you to actual images! Polly "Polly Held" <phheld@twcny.rr.com>

"A Reader" wrote: > ....Please give me suggestions on how to get the best out of these > lists. .... Using http://www.google.com/ selecting Groups, and then Advanced Groups Search, one can access previous messages and the replies. myths@ic24.net

> > of April in the year of our Lord Christ one thousand > > seven hundred seventy and one > > between William WEST of Craven County > > and province aforsd. Cooper > > of the one part and John WATERS of the > > county and province aforsd. Turner of the other part---, etc. > > Could this be an old way of saying Grantee and Grantor? Since it > reads Cooper of one part and Turner of the other??? > > BANDGMETAL@aol.com The first party was William WEST (a cooper by trade) and the second party was John WATERS (a turner by trade). (From the quote, I have no idea whether the two parties were grantee and grantor, or some other pair of terms.)

SGordon817@aol.com wrote: > > Why do you need to > > know where he was living when he was 18 years old? > >I dunno, for me, I have to know everything! .... For instance, my gg-uncle was studying at Cirencester Royal Agricultural College at the age of 21 in 1881 (UK). That tells me something about him and the family from which he came. myths@ic24.net

Danielle A couple of questions. If you do not know your father's name, how do you know for a fact he died in San Rafael? Were you in contact with him at the time? Have you tried for a death certificate? Also, Blackfoot is a mid-West tribe do you know why he was in Massachusetts? Sort of like saying he was from Scotland and was half Turkish. It is possible but unusal, Julia FamRSearch@aol.com