Try going back to the census, use a Soundex search. This boils down all the consanants in a name reducing them to numerics. (Not all people could spell as I found out in my case.) Family had different education levels, and my emigrants couldn't spell. Anyone with an accent might have been written down as Longa or Longo. If a child answered the door, the census taker didn't always wait for their parents way back when, and they wrote what they thought they heard. Also, as I found with my "witness protection" family, they just up and change their name sometimes. .. (who knows why?) In that case, I just got dogged and started reading censuses...matching other data..<made my eyes roll but I did it.> The people entering the censuses make mistakes too. I found my William entered as Willian. Good hunting. amie k "Amie Peoples" <hismsg@cros.net>

> Does anyone know what ssa means on a tombstone? Example > > Elza R. 22 Sep 1843 - 7 June 1924 ssa Rebecca > > "John & Neva Brigham" <neva@cwis.net> That "ssa" is NOT on the tombstone. You're making a false assumption that threw me off for a while until I realized what it was. It is in a transcription, a reading of a cemetery. It is an abbreviation that means "same stone as." Elza R. 22 Sep 1843 - 7 Jun 1924 is written on the same stone as Rebecca. I presume Rebecca's record is also in the same transcription. Ernest Thode ernestthode@charter.net (Ernest Thode)

llepore@juno.com wrote: >SadieOkate3@aol.com wrote: > > > As it seems there are those on this list who seem to have a > > broad base of 'know how' re a variety of areas, I would like to ask > > if anyone has any suggestions on the following: > > > > I am trying to find my sister, who has been missing for some > > years now. Her last communication to me (which supposedly had > > contact info) was lost before I could open it. I have over the > > years contacted a couple of companies that advertised that they > > could find anyone..... for only $30.00? . Most recently I was given > > three addresses in CA - but I think they simply gave me addresses > > for which the first initial, last name matched. I cannot affort a > > private detective. > > First, I would certainly write to those addresses. > > About fifteen years ago, my friend's mother contacted the Salvation > Army to help her find her estranged sister. Call your local > Salvation Army office. > > Ask the Social Security to forward a letter for you. A book, "YOU > CAN FIND ANYBODY", by Joseph J. Culligan I have seen this book > mentioned many times, but have never used it myself. > > What about old friends, neighbors, employers, other family members? > > If your sister simply moved away, and isn't working at not being > found, you may have good luck with the anybirthday.com site. > > I wouldn't spend any money on any of the pay for information sites > unless someone can recommend specific ones - you want to be sure you > will get what you pay for. You might also try the California Vital Statistics. Unlike most other states, they have data on living persons for birth an marriage. http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cabirthm.htm http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/camarrin.htm There is also a death index: http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeathm.htm -- Ron Ron Parsons <jrp59@gte.net>

I have a question regarding the categories for the 1820 US Census. For this year, they added a category for males 16-18 in addition to there being a 10-16 category and a 16-26 category. So, if I have a census listing that shows 3 males in the 16-26 category, and 1 male in the 16-18 category, should I assume that one of the males in the 16-18 category is also one of the ones in the 16-26 category? Or is this a misguided assumption without more facts on the particular family? Matt matt at lupo dot com -- G. M. Lupo a.k.a. matt at lupo dot com Up on the hill, they think I'm okay Or so they say... "G. M. Lupo" <deaconblues@steelyspam.org>

I have a copy of James Boswell's London Journal 1762-1763 and am more than willing to transcribe information from this book for anyone who may be interested. "James Boswell was born at Edinburgh on 29 October 1740, the eldest son of Alexander Boswell, eighth Laird of Auchinleck in Ayrshire." (Editor's intro) This diary of sorts starts in Scotland on 15 November 1762 and the last entry is dated 04 August 1763 while in London. The index contains names of over 500 individuals that he writes about in his journal. Many of the references to these individuals contain birth dates, birth places, and info about their relatives and business. Visit the link in my sig for a beginning list of surnames / individuals contained in the book. Kimber For a listing of obituaries I have on hand for St. Joseph Cty, IN, and surnames/individuals that are mentioned in James Boswell's London Journal, 1762-1763, please visit: http://hometown.aol.com/k727h/index.html k727h@aol.com (Kimber)

Jean, You didn't state if you want to copy these photos yourself or take them to someone? I use Paint Shop Pro graphics program and I get real good results in making copies of "Old" photos. I have been working with photos in copying and restoring them for several years so, you may not get the result that you are looking for the first time out. Now, if you are looking for someone else to make these copies for you I have to agree with the other replies and say try Walmart or Kinko's. Hope this helps you in some way. BTW, email me off list if you would like to see some of the photos I have restored for people that they emailed me. Join Now! Subscribe: KYHeritageFolklore-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Terry Thacker Doing genealogy is like writing OUR own family Bible. Our ancestors are the ones that have came to pass, and our descendants are the ones to fulfill it.

I have done extensive "do it yourself" copying of photos on a Kodak Picturemaker. You can copy them by the sheet, for about $6.99 at Kinkos and $4 something at Wal-mart, but the old cabinet cards and the cartes de visite work very well on the "single 4 X 6" option. (It doesn't work for all unusal sizes well). I have the best luck scanning the original photograph in color, then adjusting the contrast using the "add color" option. The final step is the change the photo back to sepia tone, which is an option. The single 4 X 6 at Walmart is only .59 a copy in MA, perhaps cheaper elsewhere. One thing that I have found is pictures that are made from a glass plate have remarkable detail and can be enlarged quite sucessfully without a distracting amount of detail loss. I have even had great success with tintypes, the tiny kind, being enlarged to 4 X 6. They have an option to adjust color (red/blue/green) so that you can remove some of the greenish hue that the tintypes have. Some of my oldest tintypes are crackling, and I was able to make great copies at a very inexpensive price, which when you have a large collection and a small budget is invaluable. When enlarging, of course, you also enlarge flaws, but the details of the face remain. HTH Diana Diana Wood <diana@kjsl.com>

> Any reputable photofinisher can make duplicates using sepia toner > as an extra cost option. BTW, Any sort of toning process > (including sepia) that replaces the silver is very stable and will > outlast an ordinary photo by several generations, thus making it > an excellent investment in image preservation. > > Arrowhead Images <aepalmer@a-znet.com> Correction it does not remove the silver it is a chemical reaction with the silver, there by preventing oxidation of the silver in the image... Kevin L. Sholder

> I have a couple very old family photos that are in sepia tone. I > would like copies done in sepia also. Where could I have this done? > (and is it possible?) How well do you want them to copy and how much are you willing to spend. Photo centers will do a good job and an reasonable price. However that copy will not last as long as the original. Take the original to a Professional Photo lab allow them to shoot a negative, which will also last in excess of 100 years in the proper conditions and is already proven technology. Once you have the negative you can print B/W prints as many as you want and sepia toning IS NOT a lost art, the professional lab can accomplish this as well. Be sure to ask if they have the ability to print them on "rag" paper. This is pure paper fiber without any plastic coating and will last longer. Also they can make a second tone using Selenium which will bond with the silver to also prevent aging due to exposure to the elements. Bottom-line, what is your budget? How long do you want them to last? All important considerations, don't take them lightly. Kevin L. Sholder M.Photog. Professional Photographers of America "rdrunner" <rdrunner@siscom.net>

The adhesive remover that Wendy mentioned is widely used by scrapbookers. It is often misspelled Undo, and it might inhibit people finding it. It is also marketed by the same company as The Scrappers Solution and as Photo Care solution. It is actually Heptane, which is a solvent. It is the only "smelly" thing I know that is safe for scrapbooks, and it does clean photographs pretty well, I have used it on many cabinet cards and cartes de visite in my collection with success. Since it is a solvent, it doesn't really dry, it evaporates. It doesn't really need to be wiped off, especially if there is a riskof trauma to the object, such as an old photograph. The way it works is by dissolving the adhesive bond. Once it has evaporated, the adhesive is sticky again. It doesn't work on older glues in the same way. The kind of adhesive that it works best on is the kind that is on the back of stickers, or tape. The two other things it is good for are removing photos from "magnetic" albums, which use a synthetic adhesive, and cleaning scissors. It doesn't work for the glue used in our old scrapbooks that our great grandparents had. HTH Diana Diana Wood <diana@kjsl.com>

> I am looking to get the passenger lists for two ship that entered > New York. I am looking for the passengers on the ship Poland > arrived New York City 18 May 1834 and the ship Havre arrived New > York city 13 June 1834. > > rife@sssnet.com (Michael A. Rife) I am challenged on time. I am very familiar with the LDS history centers. Are there hourly services that will provide passenger list information for these particulary ship arrivals? Michael A. Rife

Here is my situation. I have some relatives that are certainly running away from me! It is rare for me to find information on them and I really had hoped that the 1930 census was going to provide the info, however it has not. Here is what I know: Jozef Langa (b. June 15, 1866, d. November 21, 1949) Jozef Langa (son of Joseph Langa and Mary Blowal) was born June 15, 1866 in Germany, and died November 21, 1949 in Milwaukee, WI. He married Johanna Winzikowska. Notes for Jozef Langa: Joseph Lange-Naturalization L520: June 15, 1917: Circuit Court of Langlade County-Antigo, WI Certificate Number: p-198 Country of Birth: Germany Address: R. #2 Antigo, WI More About Jozef Langa: Burial: November 23, 1949, Holy Cross Cemetery, Milwaukee, WI. Funeral Home: Schramka Funeral Home. Naturalization: June 15, 1917, Langlade County, Antigo, WI. Children of Jozef Langa and Johanna Winzikowska are: +Daniel Lang, b. July 26, 1895, Wisconsin d. June 1971, Garden Grove, California. +Helene Langa, b. March 03, 1898, Milwaukee, Wisconsin d. July 20, 1976, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. +Kasimer P. Lang, b. March 03, 1901, Milwaukee, WI, d. February 09, 1964, Milwaukee, WI. My grandmother has told me that she believes that he was married another time and she thinks that she had heard that Johanna died during child birth of Kasimer. I have been to the courthouse and looked at other records and I have found Helen and Daniel (aka Dominic) with another sister, Hedwig-who seems to disappear also (there are no death records that I can locate) There is no headstone for Jozef therefore I had to take all of his information about him from his death certificate. I haven't been able to find a marriage certificate for him at all. I am looking for any guidance regarding this...if someone can give me other areas to look (I have looked at death, birth, marriage, naturalization records, census) I know that I am overlooking something obvious, however I can't figure out what it is. None of these family members are located in any of the census records.... I hope that I am giving enough info to allow you to assist me... Thank you for your help Tanya Niedzwiecki "Tanya M. Niedzwiecki" <tanya@niedzwiecki.org>

> Here's an unusual method of searching that has surprisingly > resulted > in finding 2 ancestors (my grandfather's sister, and my > grandmother's brother) for me recently. > > http://anybirthday.com/ > > It's to look up living people's birthdays, which is a lot of fun in > itself. There's no fee to look up names, and just about everybody > in the U.S. is listed! The database seems to be a few years old, > which has been to the benefit of my research, since the aunt and > uncle I found there passed away in 2002. The results show a > person's birthday and zip code. > snip > > "Margie" <margie92@earthlink.net> The database info is definitely old, my grandfather who died in 1982 is still in the database, and when I searched myself, I was there, but the zip code is four moves and 19 years old, so you may hit the jackpot, and then again you may just find out where someone was once. If your people don't go far, you may be in luck. Don't be discouraged if you don't find someone though, the database is not comprehensive, my husband did not show up at all. Jane Maria Kelley <mariakjek@juno.com>

> Here's an unusual method of searching that has surprisingly resulted > in finding 2 ancestors (my grandfather's sister, and my > grandmother's brother) for me recently. > > http://anybirthday.com/ > > <snip> > > "Margie" <margie92@earthlink.net> Thanks!D! I just tried this and found a cousin that was in Fl. Will write her a letter today. Thanks again for sharing. NEWBIES STICK TOGETHER Delores dcj@dmv.com

> I just found a new cousin, and he would like to share info. <happy > dance> but, he has FTM and I have just downloaded Legacy, (and have > been busily filling it up.) I cannot open his FTW files, so he was > going to send them in RTF (Rich text format) Ok, I can handle Word. > > Now, I tried exporting a GEDCOM from Legacy, and got 400 pages with > all kinds of things I will have to delete since they make no > sense...empty blanks not filled in....there must be a better > way.....<sigh> Question: Does Legacy talk to a word program like MS > Word? Can I send my information to someone who doesn't have Legacy > or perhaps my family, who doesn't have any GEDCOM software? If so, > how? Does anyone know? Legacy also has something called a Clooz > file? (huh??) Who's Clooz? > > "Amie Peoples" <hismsg@cros.net> The thing about using the GEDCOM format is that your Legacy can import his data and his FTM can import your legacy data without you having to retype it all. Neither program can read a RTF format file and copy the information into its database. If you just want to read reports from your cousin then RTF files would be okay. If you want to share the data and add it to your own files GEDCOM is the only way to go. Brian BE Kelly <exmaj96@hotmail.com>

> I have a couple very old family photos that are in sepia tone. I > would like copies done in sepia also. Where could I have this done? > (and is it possible?) > > Seasheller@webtv.net (~Jean~) Any reputable photofinisher can make duplicates using sepia toner as an extra cost option. BTW, Any sort of toning process (including sepia) that replaces the silver is very stable and will outlast an ordinary photo by several generations, thus making it an excellent investment in image preservation. Cheers, -- <><><><><><><><><><><> Arrowhead Images <aepalmer@a-znet.com> <><><><><><><><><><><> My family is full of knots. It's not him. It's not her. It's not them .....

> I am looking to get the passenger lists for two ship that entered > New York. I am looking for the passengers on the ship Poland > arrived New York City 18 May 1834 and the ship Havre arrived New > York city 13 June 1834. > > rife@sssnet.com (Michael A. Rife) The Passenger Arrival Lists have been indexed for both years. They are available at FHCs, NARA and many large libraries. bob gillis

PS I did a quick look at 1880 at the LDS site. David Mack age 60 Annie Mack age 32 John H. Mack age 13 Narcis Mack age 9 Silas Mack age 6 Rose Mack age 2 Noah Howard age 15 Step son Amanda Howard age 18 Step daughter John W. Kelly age 1 other Emily Colins age 72 Mother in Law living in Wollerys, Carroll County MD p. 342. Julia FamRSearch@aol.com

kBerry First of all the 1870 Census did not show the relationships between the people so you have no way of knowing if the 8 year old was unrelated. All that can be said is the people are living together. It could be a family unit or it could be brothers and sisters to the head of the family or the older women. You need to look in 1880 and see if relationships are listed. They may very well be living together. You did not give the actual entry. I am assuming it is: David Mack age unknown Annie Mack age unknown John Mack age 3 George Mack age 1 Amanda Howard age 8 Noah Howard age 5 The first thing that pops into my mind is that Amanda and Noah are Annie's children by a previous marriage if she was old enough. The next is that Annie's maiden name was Howard and she has her younger siblings living with her. But they could also be the neice and nephew or David or unrelated. Julia Coldren-Walker FamRSearch@aol.com

~Jean~ fed this fish to the penguins: > I have a couple very old family photos that are in sepia tone. I > would like copies done in sepia also. Where could I have this done? > (and is it possible?) Well, a good photoshop should be able to duplicate your prints using color processing -- and duplicate the sepia aging that way. Alternatively, one could scan them, use a photoediting program (Photoshop, say) to first remove the sepia tint, restoring the original B/W look, clean up the image, then apply an artificial sepia effect, finally printing them on a good archival photoprinter. Out of boredom one weekend, I took an old, and quite yellowed, 4x6 of my parent's wedding, scanned it, removed the yellow, set the shadows to full black, tweaked the gamma curve to reveal the edge between shadow and lapel on my father's suit, and finished by "hand tinting" the roses in red and green (stems) -- then printed at 8x10 and sent them a copy of the result. -- > ============================================================== < > wlfraed@ix.netcom.com | Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG < > wulfraed@dm.net | Bestiaria Support Staff < > ============================================================== < > Bestiaria Home Page: http://www.beastie.dm.net/ < > Home Page: http://www.dm.net/~wulfraed/ <