On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Roots Webmaster wrote: > > > (an archivist would completely dismantle the album, but that may > > not be your next step at this point.) > > I'm pretty sure a professional archivist would recoil in horror at > the thought. An album disassembled loses its value as an artifact > and as a historical source. Have you tried shining a bright light > (say, a flashlight) though the pages to see if you can make out the > writing on the back? Cynthia is more than correct. Speaking as an archivist, more archivists would never dismantle an album unless it was already in very, very horrible condition. Something people should always keep in mind is to never do anything to an original document that is not reversible and if it something that you truly value get yea to a conservator so that you can make an intelligent decision about the treatment of the item based on what is truly possible and what you can afford. To conveniently locate a conservator in your locale and learn how what to expect from these very specialized professional go to http://aic.stanford.edu/select/select.html. Mary ************************* Mary K. Mannix Maryland Room Manager C. Burr Artz Central Library Frederick County Public Libraries Frederick, MD Mary Mannix <mm0028@mail.pratt.lib.md.us>

Re: http://anybirthday.com/ | How did you do it? All I got was a list of birthdays no address they wanted 29.99$ to join. They also give you a zip code. After I found the right person, based on birthday, I google searched zip code, found out what city they were listed in, checked the on-line white and yellow pages and got an address and phone number. Joan "Joan Best" <joanbest1@earthlink.net>

I need to transfer a few rolls of late 40's-era 16mm microfilm from the original open reels (square/round type hub) to an M-type cartridge for viewing on a 3M model 500 reader. I'm in Dallas TX, and would like to find a service locally so I can handcarry them. Does anyone know of such a place? Thanks, Ken Agee agee@ti.com

"Margie" <margie92@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Here's an unusual method of searching that has surprisingly resulted > in finding 2 ancestors (my grandfather's sister, and my > grandmother's brother) for me recently. > > http://anybirthday.com/ Unless I'm doing something incorrectly, this site will only give you results if you join and pay $29. I put in a first name and a birth date and clicked search, and it took me to a window which told me that the service was available only to "members" of Anybirthday.com PLUS. If there is a free service, please explain to me how I use it. Polly H. "Polly Held" <phheld@twcny.rr.com>

Matt You assumption is correct as to the instructions given the census takers. However not all of them followed the rules. So you always need to aware that the count may be 3 16-26 plus 1 16-18. WARNING remember that the people listed are not necessarily related to the head of the household. They are just people living in his house or farm. They could be his children, grandchildren, nephew and neices, hired hands, or orphans taken in either for charity or for pay by the county. Julia Coldren-Walker FamRSearch@aol.com

Tanya I found 1910 Wisconsin Census County Langlade, Ackley Township ED 37 sheet 7b lines 53-7 Lange, Joseph age 43 2nd Marriage 6 years (1904) Germany (Polish speaker) Farmer Immigrated 1891 Mary age 50 2nd Marriage 6 years No pregnancies Austria (Polish) David? age 15 Helen age 12 Cassomier age 10 Could not find him in 1920 1930 Wisconsin, Milwaukee ED 40-257 sheet 42a Daniel Lang age 34 Married at 24 (10 years) WI father Poland Mother Poland but this was after Germany was broken up and the area his father was born in may have been returned to Poland as he was a native Polish speaker) Hattie J age 34 born Poland Emily M age 9 Raymond R age 5 Thomas T age 3 3/12 Hope this helps. Julia Coldren-Walker FamRSearch@aol.com

On Wed, 28 May 2003, Charles wrote: > (an archivist would completely dismantle the album, but that may > not be your next step at this point.) I'm pretty sure a professional archivist would recoil in horror at the thought. An album disassembled loses its value as an artifact and as a historical source. Have you tried shining a bright light (say, a flashlight) though the pages to see if you can make out the writing on the back? -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links

> Here's an unusual method of searching that has surprisingly resulted > in finding 2 ancestors (my grandfather's sister, and my > grandmother's brother) for me recently. > > http://anybirthday.com/ How did you do it? All I got was a list of birthdays no address they wanted 29.99$ to join. BANDGMETAL@aol.com

> > > I am looking to get the passenger lists for two ship that entered > > > New York. I am looking for the passengers on the ship Poland > > > arrived New York City 18 May 1834 and the ship Havre arrived New > > > York city 13 June 1834. > > > >I am challenged on time. I am very familiar with the LDS history > >centers. Are there hourly services that will provide passenger list > >information for these particulary ship arrivals? > > For a complete list of film numbers for ships going to New York > after 1820, see > > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_newyork.shtml > > Find your date (year, month, day if known) and write down the NARA > number you need. > > Then you can have NARA do the lookup for you. > > The staff of the National Archives will undertake a search of the > original records for a fee. > > To obtain a search request form, write to: General Reference Branch > (NNRG), National Archives and Records Administration, 7th and > Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20408 and request NATF Form > 81, Order for Copies of Ship Passenger Arrival Records. > > You can also order National Archives (NARA) forms online at > > http://www.archives.gov/global_pages/inquire_form.html > > If you want to search online, use the custom search engines for New > York ship arrivals (they search multiple websites) at > > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml > > Look down the page til you see the SHIPS TO NEW YORK link. There > are 2 search engines on the page that search over 2,500 online > passenger lists > > "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <otg@csolve.net> Hello-- The appropriate National Archives microfilm rolls to search for the "Poland" and the "Havre" would appear to be the following: Microfilm publication M237, "Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, NY, 1820-1897," individual roll numbers as follows: - 22 (Feb 14 - May 20, 1834) - 23 (May 21 - July 19, 1834) The "Poland" might appear on the second film rather than the first, if there's any variation in her arrival date. Please keep in mind that many passenger lists are missing during these early years. Hope this helps! Sue Budlong in Falls Church, Virginia, U.S.A. Sue Budlong <longweav@juno.com>

> > I am looking to get the passenger lists for two ship that entered > > New York. I am looking for the passengers on the ship Poland > > arrived New York City 18 May 1834 and the ship Havre arrived New > > York city 13 June 1834. > > > > rife@sssnet.com (Michael A. Rife) > > I am challenged on time. I am very familiar with the LDS history > centers. Are there hourly services that will provide passenger list > information for these particulary ship arrivals? > > Michael A. Rife* Hello Michael, If you'd like you can undertake a search by mail from the National Archives. Start by ordering form NATF 81 (Ship Passenger Arrival Records) here... http://www.archives.gov/global_pages/inquire_form.html The fee is presently $17.25 per search for a copy of the page your ancestor is on. There may be additional fees if you want a copy of an entire passenger list. There are instructions on the form. Make sure you request two copies of the form, one for each of your requests. Good luck with your search. Regards, Joe -- Finding Passenger Lists 1820-1940s (arrivals at US Ports) http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/passengers.html joe@genesearch.com

> Here's an unusual method of searching that has surprisingly resulted > in finding 2 ancestors (my grandfather's sister, and my > grandmother's brother) for me recently. > > http://anybirthday.com/ > > <snip> > > "Margie" <margie92@earthlink.net> Wanted to toss in my thanks, as well. I may have found a cousin that I have been looking for for quite a while. I am also writing a letter tonight! Thank you for this EXCELLENT suggestion and resource! Jen "Jennifer McKemie" <jmckemie@mindspring.com>

rdrunner@siscom.net wrote: > Take the original to a Professional Photo lab allow them to shoot a > negative, which will also last in excess of 100 years in the proper > conditions and is already proven technology. Once you have the > negative you can print B/W prints as many as you want and sepia > toning IS NOT a lost art, the professional lab can accomplish this > as well. Be sure to ask if they have the ability to print them on > "rag" paper. This is pure paper fiber without any plastic coating > and will last longer. Also they can make a second tone using > Selenium which will bond with the silver to also prevent aging due > to exposure to the elements. I concur with this. Making a scan of any print may be convenient and easy on the budget, but any copy made this way (especially on that uses color inks) is NOT archival by its very process. Analine dye inks are NOT permanent and will fade rather quickly. ONLY a photographic print ­ preferably one that has been toned with either sepia or rapid selenium ­ is considered archival. The plastic vs paper issue is still under debate as the plastic based prints have not yet been around long enough to positively say that they are archival quality. Since these photo "papers" are made of mylar, the same material professional drafters use to preserve their work, it is probably safe to say tat it is safe, but only the passage of time will be proof positive. Cheers -- <><><><><><><><><><><> Arrowhead Images <aepalmer@a-znet.com> <><><><><><><><><><><> Now, that idea is as hot as a Fourth of July Firecracker!

> > Any reputable photofinisher can make duplicates using sepia toner > > as an extra cost option. BTW, Any sort of toning process > > (including sepia) that replaces the silver is very stable and will > > outlast an ordinary photo by several generations, thus making it > > an excellent investment in image preservation. > > > > Arrowhead Images <aepalmer@a-znet.com> > > Correction it does not remove the silver it is a chemical reaction > with the silver, there by preventing oxidation of the silver in the > image... > > Kevin L. Sholder <rdrunner@siscom.net> I stand corrected as to the chemical reaction fore sepia toner. However, the basic premise still stands. ANY chemical alteration of the silver will make for a truely archival print that should last for several hundred years! Cheers -- <><><><><><><><><><><> Arrowhead Images <aepalmer@a-znet.com> <><><><><><><><><><><> I had a destiny once. All it did was get me into trouble !

> I have a question regarding the categories for the 1820 US Census. > For this year, they added a category for males 16-18 in addition to > there being a 10-16 category and a 16-26 category. So, if I have a > census listing that shows 3 males in the 16-26 category, and 1 male > in the 16-18 category, should I assume that one of the males in the > 16-18 category is also one of the ones in the 16-26 category? Or is > this a misguided assumption without more facts on the particular > family? > > G. M. Lupo a.k.a. matt at lupo dot com hi Matt, and list, Your assumption is CORRECT. The Category 16 to 18 was to find those that could be sent to the 'war killing fields'. Phil "Phil Stevens" <joephil@nwlink.com>

>You might also try the California Vital Statistics. Unlike most >other states, they have data on living persons for birth an marriage. > > http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cabirthm.htm > > http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/camarrin.htm > >There is also a death index: > > http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeathm.htm The CA dept of motor vehicles will also forward a message or letter. DMV's Message Forwarding Service <http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/newsrel/2001nine.htm> ... People can obtain a copy of the Message Forwarding Service form (INF 1211B) and a self ... The form is also available on the DMV website at www.dmv.ca.gov under ... www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/newsrel/2001nine.htm - 29k - Cached <http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:6jq6T51NyYkJ:www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/newsrel/2001nine.htm+ca+dmv+message+forwarding&hl=en&ie=UTF-8> - Similar pages <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=related:www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/newsrel/2001nine.htm> [ More results from www.dmv.ca.gov <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+site:www.dmv.ca.gov+ca+dmv+message+forwarding> ] Evelyn Evelyn Bayna <ebayna@ucsd.edu>

> (parts of message snipped for brevity) > > I have a copy of James Boswell's London Journal 1762-1763 and am > more than willing to transcribe information from this book for > anyone who may be interested. > > This diary of sorts starts in Scotland on 15 November 1762 and the > last entry is dated 04 August 1763 while in London. The index > contains names of over 500 individuals that he writes about in his > journal. Many of the references to these individuals contain birth > dates, birth places, and info about their relatives and business. > > http://hometown.aol.com/k727h/index.html > > k727h@aol.com (Kimber) Hello Kimber, I was excited when I saw your posting today, because it holds for me a glimmer of hope in finding a particular ancestor, when all other resources seem to have been exhausted. Dozens of family researchers have searched for an ancestor of ours. Perhaps, if it's not too much trouble, you could assist us? I've pretty much given up hope on finding this man, but one never knows. I noticed you have a "Robert BURNS" on your list. I am seeking a cousin of the famous, "Robert BURNS". Her name was Elisabeth. She was Scottish. She travelled to America around 1735 on the same ship that she met her future husband, John STHENFELD (also named, STINCHFIELD, STENCHFIELD) In the 1950's a family genealogist travelled to England to find our forefather. This researcher could find no records of him. Since then, as I said, at least dozens (that I know of) have also searched. My fingers are crossed that you could possibly solve our mystery. I call them our "Adam and Eve" since we can't seem to find any ancestors before them. John STHENFELD, STENCHFIELD, STINCHFIELD (He changed his name several times after arriving in America) was born: 12 October 1715 in Leeds, England. Records state that he travelled to America with his father, after his mother died. They left no remaining living family members behind in England. His father died on the ship. John was the sole surviving member of his family. He was 19 years old. While on the ship, he met his future wife, Elisabeth BURNS, cousin of famed poet, Robert BURNS (according to Barbour Genealogical Records.) Elisabeth was born 21 December 1713 in the "northern part of Ireland" of Scottish descent. The ship that carried John STHENFELD and Elisabeth BURNS to America in 1735, docked at Gloucester, Massachusetts. If you have any information relating to the ship they travelled on, or their life before coming to America, I would greatly appreciate it. Of course, there's always a possibility that the dates I have posted above a re inaccurate. The ship could have sailed to America at a different time. There are several contradictions regarding this man's biography. His name may be a reason for the difficulty in tracking him down. I'm wondering if it was similar to "STHENFELD", but was not quite that, since nobody has found any record of him in England. Thank you! Margie Stinchfield Casey Massachusetts Comprehensive STINCHFIELD website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tlmorris/stnchfld/index.html "Margie" <margie92@earthlink.net>

> > I am looking to get the passenger lists for two ship that entered > > New York. I am looking for the passengers on the ship Poland > > arrived New York City 18 May 1834 and the ship Havre arrived New > > York city 13 June 1834. > >I am challenged on time. I am very familiar with the LDS history >centers. Are there hourly services that will provide passenger list >information for these particulary ship arrivals? Hi Michael For a complete list of film numbers for ships going to New York after 1820, see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_newyork.shtml Find your date (year, month, day if known) and write down the NARA number you need. Then you can have NARA do the lookup for you. The staff of the National Archives will undertake a search of the original records for a fee. To obtain a search request form, write to: General Reference Branch (NNRG), National Archives and Records Administration, 7th and Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20408 and request NATF Form 81, Order for Copies of Ship Passenger Arrival Records. You can also order National Archives (NARA) forms online at http://www.archives.gov/global_pages/inquire_form.html If you want to search online, use the custom search engines for New York ship arrivals (they search multiple websites) at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml Look down the page til you see the SHIPS TO NEW YORK link. There are 2 search engines on the page that search over 2,500 online passenger lists Lorine http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/filmnos_newyork.shtml NARA & FHC film numbers for NY passenger lists after 1820 http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny.shtml Passenger Lists to New York all years http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchnyships.shtml Search Engine for online Internet Passenger Lists to NY otg@csolve.net

> > I am looking to get the passenger lists for two ship that entered > > New York. I am looking for the passengers on the ship Poland > > arrived New York City 18 May 1834 and the ship Havre arrived New > > York city 13 June 1834. > > > > rife@sssnet.com (Michael A. Rife) > >I am challenged on time. I am very familiar with the LDS history >centers. Are there hourly services that will provide passenger list >information for these particulary ship arrivals? > >Michael A. Rife Michael, since you know the name of the ships and when they arrived you can contact the National Archives and request photocopy of the pages from the passenger lists that contains the names of your ancestors. You will need special forms for this request. You will need NATF form 81 and if your ancestors are not found there is no charge! You can request the forms by sending an email to: inquire@arch2.nara.gov and request the forms by specifying the form number in your message. If you want the entire passenger list, instructions with the form tell you how to request it. Good luck, rfs in omaha, ne Richard F Strait <rfstrait@juno.com>

I have seen an immigrant's receipt for a ship arrival at the port of Victoria, British Colombia, from Hong Kong. It gave a manifest number and line number for the Admirals Line ship President Jefferson voyage 55. I would like to determine the dates of departure and arrival, if possible. I expect a date in late summer or early fall 1922, as the immigrant was found on a ship's manifest arriving at Ellis Island from Halifax. I understand that Canadian ship's manifests after 1919 are not yet public. I assume that this ship (which was later operated by Dollar & American President Lines) also stopped at Seattle on such trips, so there should be US documentation for this voyage. Also, would Canadian transcontinental railroad information for this time period be available? -- Ron Young. http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/3919 -ChineseSurnames/Genealogies/Families http://www.ziplink.net/~rey/ch/queries -ChineseSurnameQueries/Responses Ronald Eng Young, Pinyin:(Wu3Jing4Wei3) (Eng Ging-wei) "Ron Young" <ronald.e.young@verizon.net>

One more thing I had to do. Go to the courthouse/library of the county you last heard of them, and scour the newspapers. If you can get a date, and a paper, the reference librarian is worth her/his weight in gold. I found 2 children in my family died of diphtheria that way. amie "Amie Peoples" <hismsg@cros.net>