> This post is a test of RootsWeb's Mailman version of the > GENMTD-L mailing list. > > Dr. Brian Leverich <[email protected]> Does this mean the list is now up and running? [ Yup, we're back! - Mod ] Thank you. Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]>

Test received! :-) Adhani=C3=A1 =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?Adhani=3DE1?=3D <[email protected]>

> http://www.progenealogists.com/citationguide.htm > > offers numerous examples of citations for electronic sources. Yes, > it differs from ESM. > > I note with interest, not necessarily approval, that these citations > begin with the author's given name, not the surname. > > Is that name-reversal common these days? > > I have no problem with my bibliography showing Allen Xavier, Barbara > Yurs, Charles Wier, David Urias, Elsie Truelove, and so on, but I > can't help thinking that as soon as I arrange them that way, someone > will have a cow when Xavier, Allen or Wier, Charles or Truelove, > Elsie isn't where they're looking ... > > Cheryl <[email protected]> I think that a little common sense is required. Do you start searching for "Charles" when you are attempting to find "Charles Thomas" NO, you start with "Thomas" then within the "Thomas'" you look for "Charles." My grandfather had a saying "One should use their head for something besides a hat rack." Jim Hills Houston TX "James HILLS Jr." <[email protected]>

good here. Don Kelly "Donal O'Kelly" <[email protected]>

"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote: > http://www.progenealogists.com/citationguide.htm > > offers numerous examples of citations for electronic sources. Yes, > it differs from ESM. > > > I note with interest, not necessarily approval, that these citations > begin with the author's given name, not the surname. > > Is that name-reversal common these days? I haven't seen that in practice. What's the reason for overturning years of standard research practice? > I have no problem with my bibliography showing Allen Xavier, Barbara > Yurs, Charles Wier, David Urias, Elsie Truelove, and so on, but I > can't help thinking that as soon as I arrange them that way, someone > will have a cow when Xavier, Allen or Wier, Charles or Truelove, > Elsie isn't where they're looking ... > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]>

http://www.progenealogists.com/citationguide.htm offers numerous examples of citations for electronic sources. Yes, it differs from ESM. I note with interest, not necessarily approval, that these citations begin with the author's given name, not the surname. Is that name-reversal common these days? I have no problem with my bibliography showing Allen Xavier, Barbara Yurs, Charles Wier, David Urias, Elsie Truelove, and so on, but I can't help thinking that as soon as I arrange them that way, someone will have a cow when Xavier, Allen or Wier, Charles or Truelove, Elsie isn't where they're looking ... Cheryl [email protected]

This post is a test of RootsWeb's Mailman version of the GENMTD-L mailing list. "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email protected]>

> > > I have one clue, and one only, to an ancestor's place of origin in > > > Europe: he claimed he was naming his successive plantations for his > > > home town. > > > > > > Unfortunately, the baptismal records in that home town (and the 8 > > > parishes surrounding it) fail to include his surname. > > > Someone help me out -- If he didn't come from where he said he came > > > from, and where everyone who met him said he was from, where's the > > > first place I should look next? > > > > > > Cheryl Singhals > > > > It would help if you would mention the country of origin, and > > specific town. A lot of countries have more than one town with the > > same name. Plus someone on the list may be familiar with the > > geographic area and be able to provide some insights based on that. > > > > kql <[email protected]> > > I'm sorry, but I truly do not see why the methodology would change > country-dependent. The name of the specific references, yes, but > surely not the _methodology_? > > Cheryl Singhals It does because the archives are organized in different ways in each country and we don't even know which languages are involved. These general questions are usually a waste of time. You sound as if you are using transcriptions not original records. Hugh W -- new phone = new daily blog http://upsrev622.blogspot.com/ family history http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ Hugh Watkins <[email protected]>

> Perhaps the writer should consult the many geneaolgy how-to books > that are available at the library, and he/she can answer his/her own > questions. > > Prytula, Karen Thank you for the suggestion. Cheryl singhals <[email protected]>

> > I was very satisfied with Family Tree DNA. > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > > > I did the 37 marker test because that was the best available at the > > time. > > > > Be advised that linking to ancestors depends on a number of > > conditions. In my case my closest link is to a man whose family > > name is not even in my genealogy but we have a 60% chance of having > > the same ancestor 7 or 8 generations ago. I only have 5 generations > > proven. > > > > To really learn something you almost have to match someone who has > > the genealogy back to the Bible. > > > > More than 30 Sullivans have tested and I am not in the same > > haplogroup as any of them so I have learned nothing so far except my > > Neanderthal ancestors went from Africa to the Russian Steppes. > > Yeah, I know, the Neanderthals forgot to keep breeding and > > disappeared. No political comments please. > > > > [email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) > > > Hugh, > > I hope you were only kidding about the "genealogy back to the > Bible". > > "Gary Smith" <[email protected]> It was a bit of a stretch. Of course once can do the genealogy of the old Irish Books and the genealogy of the Bible and who is to say you're wrong. You certainly have a source. 8-) Hugh [email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan)

> I was very satisfied with Family Tree DNA. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > I did the 37 marker test because that was the best available at the > time. > > Be advised that linking to ancestors depends on a number of > conditions. In my case my closest link is to a man whose family > name is not even in my genealogy but we have a 60% chance of having > the same ancestor 7 or 8 generations ago. I only have 5 generations > proven. > > To really learn something you almost have to match someone who has > the genealogy back to the Bible. > > More than 30 Sullivans have tested and I am not in the same > haplogroup as any of them so I have learned nothing so far except my > Neanderthal ancestors went from Africa to the Russian Steppes. > Yeah, I know, the Neanderthals forgot to keep breeding and > disappeared. No political comments please. > > [email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) I had my husband's 37 marker test done also, but his 3 closest lines (36/37) are not in our ancestor list. Two of them don't even have the same last name and didn't even live in any of the same areas at any time in the last 6 generations. Possible scenarios include: (1) Father's death.. and the children took the name of the man his mother remarried. (2) Both parents died or couldn't raise the child, so was taken in by another family and assumed that surname. (3) Man fathered a child with someone other than a legal wife. Since there were no sperm banks back then... DNA speaks for itself. I just wish it would speak MY language. Carolyn "Carolyn Lowe" <[email protected]>

> > If you ask a vague question, you can expect to get a vague answer. > > > > kql > > What's vague about: where else is there to look? > > singhals <[email protected]> If you want a detailed answer you have to ask a detailed question. For instance...If You tell the list EVERYWHERE you have already looked, the list will tell you EVERYWHERE else you should look. I have had enough of this cat and mouse game....the writer does not want to take the time to type out the long list of resources he/she has already checked....and so it appears that nobody on the list is going to type out a lengthy list of places to search. Perhaps the writer should consult the many geneaolgy how-to books that are available at the library, and he/she can answer his/her own questions. KarenP "Prytula, Karen" <[email protected]>

> I was very satisfied with Family Tree DNA. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > I did the 37 marker test because that was the best available at the > time. > > Be advised that linking to ancestors depends on a number of > conditions. In my case my closest link is to a man whose family > name is not even in my genealogy but we have a 60% chance of having > the same ancestor 7 or 8 generations ago. I only have 5 generations > proven. > > To really learn something you almost have to match someone who has > the genealogy back to the Bible. > > More than 30 Sullivans have tested and I am not in the same > haplogroup as any of them so I have learned nothing so far except my > Neanderthal ancestors went from Africa to the Russian Steppes. > Yeah, I know, the Neanderthals forgot to keep breeding and > disappeared. No political comments please. > > [email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) Hugh, I hope you were only kidding about the "genealogy back to the Bible".

In accounts presented to the government of the Province of Maryland in July 1771, we find these apparently "usual and customary" prices for various goods and services of the time. The province paid these accounts in full. 1 yard Oznabrig, 1 shilling 6 pence (1s6d)* l lb bacon, 8d l lb beef, 2d l lb flour, 2d l lb salt beef, 3d l bushel Indian meal, 2s6d 1 lb chocolate, 2s3d 1 lb tea, 7s6d 1 gal Rum, 6s 1 bushel salt, 9s 1 lb loaf sugar, 1s6d** 1 lb Muscovado sugar, 10s** 1 lb tamarind, 1s 1 oz nutmegs, 2s Ferry ride across the Potomac, 4 s milk cow, 3pounds, 1 s 3d (3P 1s 3d) day labor, manual, 2s6d rent-a-pack-horse, per day, 2s driver of ", 2s per day grindstone, 10s steer, 3P 10s 4 bear skins, 1P 10s 1 hatchet, 3s frying pan, 16s blanket, 14s 1 lb gunpowder,2s9d 1 quire paper, 6s6d 2 tin kettles, 3s 1 pepper box, 6s*** 3 lb pepper,3s3d*** 1 grater, 1s 2 iron Kettles, 13s * Oznaburg is a type of rough cloth, mostly used for making outdoor wear. ** From the prices, loaf sugar is probably lump brown sugar, and the Muscovado is white sugar. *** It isn't possible to tell from the list whether this is food or ammo. The pepper is listed with lead and shot, the pepper box with thread and kettles. Since there is an item called a pepper box which holds peppershot, and the item we today call a peppermill was also sometimes called a pepper box ... Cheryl Singhal singhals <[email protected]>

> > > Cheryl's been around here for a very long time and has a reason for= > > > what she's doing... - Mod > > > > Perhaps if you or she would share that reason, we could better unders= tand > > why she always seems so secretive, even when asking for our help. > > > > "Ron Head" <[email protected]> > > She is probably making us think outside the box. > > Pat Ricci <[email protected]> Or writing a book! ;-) Adhani=C3=A1

> > Cheryl's been around here for a very long time and has a reason for > > what she's doing... - Mod > > Perhaps if you or she would share that reason, we could better understand > why she always seems so secretive, even when asking for our help. > > "Ron Head" <[email protected]> She is probably making us think outside the box. Pat Ricci Little Canada Mn 55117 Researching Italians from Cumberland Wisconsin POINT #203 Pat Ricci <[email protected]>

singhals wrote: > No, but one MIGHT suggest any local family histories, whether > written by the church or other civic group. We could, IF we knew which country and geographical area we were discussing, but apparently you want a generic list of all the genealogical resources existing in every country in the world. > No, but if the parish register doesn't contain the birth, marriage, > or death one needs, and the civil registers don't have it -- what > other alternate resource MIGHT exist? Depends on the country. > And let's not forget that Jewish practices in any of those countries > don't necessarily conform to to Christian practices (indeed, Judaism > had a specific exception in British law). Exactly why you should tell us which religion you're researching. Generic question: > What's vague about: where else is there to look? Generic answer: Someplace other than where you've already looked. This thread has been a waste of everyone's time. You haven't gotten the answer you needed and everyone who has tried to help has had their efforts rebuffed. As Bob said: > I have given up even trying to answer your questions. Me too. kql kql <[email protected]>

> Cheryl's been around here for a very long time and has a reason for > what she's doing... - Mod Perhaps if you or she would share that reason, we could better understand why she always seems so secretive, even when asking for our help. "Ron Head" <[email protected]>

I can tell I'm beating my head against a brick wall, but one more thwack can't hurt that bad ... kql wrote: > > > It would help if you would mention the country of origin, and > > > specific town. A lot of countries have more than one town with the > > > same name. Plus someone on the list may be familiar with the > > > geographic area and be able to provide some insights based on that. > > singhals wrote: > > > I'm sorry, but I truly do not see why the methodology would change > > country-dependent. The name of the specific references, yes, but > > surely not the _methodology_? > > Well, of course it would. The resources are different in different > countries. One wouldn't advise someone to look at Familienb=C3=BCcher > for neighboring villages if the country were Italy, or advise No, but one MIGHT suggest any local family histories, whether written by the church or other civic group. Germany can't be the only country that had something similar. > someone to look at the national birth, marriage, and death register > if the country were Germany. As Tom pointed out, he would give No, but if the parish register doesn't contain the birth, marriage, or death one needs, and the civil registers don't have it -- what other alternate resource MIGHT exist? > different advice for England, Germany, Sicily, and France. As > Lesley also pointed out, historical differences have resulted in > differences in the types of records that have survived. And let's not forget that Jewish practices in any of those countries don't necessarily conform to to Christian practices (indeed, Judaism had a specific exception in British law). > I'm sorry, but I truly do not see why you're so interested in hiding > the country in which you're researching. I am researching in England, Germany, France, Holland, Scotland, and India. I have the same fundamental problem at least one time in each of them -- sooner or later, someone can't be found where all other records say he should be found. > If you ask a vague question, you can expect to get a vague answer. What's vague about: where else is there to look? singhals <[email protected]>

Our Minnesota research note for October outlines several strategies for finding people on unindexed censuses (including the Minnesota State Census) or when census indexes fail. It can be found at http://www.parkbooks.com/Html/res_cns.html Other notes can be found at http://www.parkbooks.com/Html/research.html Enjoy! Mary Mary Bakeman [email protected] Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com/