> If you haven't checked out the North Carolina GenWeb page it might > be worth giving it a try. I know the Virginia site had information > on it where they explained the categories on the tax lists that > someone posted. It's at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > Paulette Smith <[email protected]> Ms. Smith, thanks for writing. I will check that out, too, and appreciate the information. Thank you. Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]>

> > > I. At what age in NC 1771-1777, does a male begin to pay poll taxes? > > > Is there an online site where might I find further information on > > > the topic of males paying poll taxes? > > > > > > Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]> > > > > I too was hoping for an answer to this question. > > > > Laurie McKenna <[email protected]> > > Ms. McKenna, Thanks for the info and if I do find anything online > concerning this topic I will post to the list. > > "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]> If you haven't checked out the North Carolina GenWeb page it might be worth giving it a try. I know the Virginia site had information on it where they explained the categories on the tax lists that someone posted. It's at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ Good hunting! Paulette "Paulette Smith" <[email protected]>

> Looking for a genealogical software able to produce ancestors circle > with names in circle too. > > Charles "JEAN-CHARLES GODIN" <[email protected]> Genelines: http://www.progenygenealogy.com/genelines.html Family Tree SuperTools: http://whollygenes.stores.yahoo.net/supertools.html John John <[email protected]>

> Depending on where Aida IS in Poland, a phone call to the Russian > Embassy in the Capital of Poland (Warclaw?) might be useful. She'll > want to speak with the Military Attache and ask if he/she knows of a > Regimental History of 10th "intergermanland's" regiment of hussars. > > Or, try any on-line library catalog ... looking for [keyword] > intergermanland > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> Interesting idea, perhaps it will work? I will try however and tell if I managed to know anything. Thank you. Krysia P.S. Polish capital is Warszawa (Warsaw) not Wroclaw (Breslau) but doesn't matter. :)))))) Anyway I live near Warsaw so I can try. :) Aida <[email protected]>

A number of folks have now contacted me both on and offlist. I want to thank everyone for the help and will do so privately within the next few days. The help/comments/advice are all appreciated. Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]>

> [ Note: this message was posted to a number of other newsgroups/lists. > I haven't seen any answer better than "use Google" yet, though, so > I'm passing it along to Methods for consideration. - Mod ] > > Recently when looking for my family in Russia I discovered people in > Habarovsk, who probably are my cousins. This is complicated so I > just tell that the ONLY thing to know it is to check if their > grandfather was brother of mt grandgrandfather - there is no > documents however and all I could do is to find if he was fighting > in 10th "Intergermanland's" hussars regiment, and "missed" at war > with Japan in 1904 year near Ussurisk. Man's surname was Rytel > (written also Ryttel or Ritter) BUT if he decided to use another > name in army (he was from Polish-Russian family) he could use name > van Kreiter after his mother or even perhaps Lavrov - after first > husband of his mother, the tzar's chamberlain. In regiment he was > officer and hide himself in faraway Russia near 1904 after a battle > (he was wounded and rescued by his Kossack's friend, then he changed > belief and name, and married Kossack's woman with 4 children - it's > all complicated. I know only that after marriage his name was Piotr > (Peter). It is important to know - if his name BEFORE was Alexander > then he is brother of my grandgrandfather. There is no documents so > the only clue is to find soldier named Alexander Rytel (or Kreiter > or Lavrov) among oficcers in 10th "intergermanland's" regiment of > hussars. > > Summarising - I need a list of soldiers who were enrolled to 10th > intergermandland's regiment of hussars. I do not live in Russia so > I cannot check in archives. Is it possible to find it anywhere > else? Please help me, I will be very thankful! > > regards! > Krystyna Jaroslawska > > PS This message I put on a few other genealogy groups to let it to > be find by more people. Please, do not delete it, thank you! > > Aida <[email protected]> I won't suggest that this is "better" than Google, but it's different. Depending on where Aida IS in Poland, a phone call to the Russian Embassy in the Capital of Poland (Warclaw?) might be useful. She'll want to speak with the Military Attache and ask if he/she knows of a Regimental History of 10th "intergermanland's" regiment of hussars. Or, try any on-line library catalog ... looking for [keyword] intergermanland Good luck. Cheryl singhals <[email protected]>

> [ Note: this message was posted to a number of other newsgroups/lists. > I haven't seen any answer better than "use Google" yet, though, so > I'm passing it along to Methods for consideration. - Mod ] > > Recently when looking for my family in Russia I discovered people in > Habarovsk, who probably are my cousins. This is complicated so I > just tell that the ONLY thing to know it is to check if their > grandfather was brother of mt grandgrandfather - there is no > documents however and all I could do is to find if he was fighting > in 10th "Intergermanland's" hussars regiment, and "missed" at war > with Japan in 1904 year near Ussurisk. Man's surname was Rytel > (written also Ryttel or Ritter) BUT if he decided to use another > name in army (he was from Polish-Russian family) he could use name > van Kreiter after his mother or even perhaps Lavrov - after first > husband of his mother, the tzar's chamberlain. In regiment he was > officer and hide himself in faraway Russia near 1904 after a battle > (he was wounded and rescued by his Kossack's friend, then he changed > belief and name, and married Kossack's woman with 4 children - it's > all complicated. I know only that after marriage his name was Piotr > (Peter). It is important to know - if his name BEFORE was Alexander > then he is brother of my grandgrandfather. There is no documents so > the only clue is to find soldier named Alexander Rytel (or Kreiter > or Lavrov) among oficcers in 10th "intergermanland's" regiment of > hussars. > > Summarising - I need a list of soldiers who were enrolled to 10th > intergermandland's regiment of hussars. I do not live in Russia so > I cannot check in archives. Is it possible to find it anywhere > else? Please help me, I will be very thankful! > > regards! > Krystyna Jaroslawska > > PS This message I put on a few other genealogy groups to let it to > be find by more people. Please, do not delete it, thank you! > > Aida <[email protected]> Russian genealogy is often done by paying local researchers to work for you. So you better work hard at your day job and start saving up. Hugh W -- Beta blogger http://nanowrimo3.blogspot.com/ visiting my past http://hughw36-2.blogspot.com/ re-entry http://snaps4.blogspot.com/" photographs and walks old blogger http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG Hugh Watkins <[email protected]>

> > I. At what age in NC 1771-1777, does a male begin to pay poll taxes? > > Is there an online site where might I find further information on > > the topic of males paying poll taxes? > > > > Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]> > > I too was hoping for an answer to this question. > > Laurie McKenna <[email protected]> Ms. McKenna, Thanks for the info and if I do find anything online concerning this topic I will post to the list. Thank you. Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]>

> > I. At what age in NC 1771-1777, does a male begin to pay poll taxes? > > Is there an online site where might I find further information on > > the topic of males paying poll taxes? > > > > Fred Frederick > > Sorry, I've been busy. > > Typically, the taxes were on free white able-bodied males aged 16 to > 45. Occasionally, by whim of state legislaure, they began at 13 or > 14, but never IME younger. Free blacks didn't seem to pay them, but > slaveholders had to pay tax for slaves of either sex. > > Cheryl Singhals <[email protected]> Thank you for the reply and for the information. I have looked on the two recommended sites and either overlooked what I need or there was nothing. In my case I could have missed the info due to eye problems. Thank you for writing. Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]>

Hello! [ Note: this message was posted to a number of other newsgroups/lists. I haven't seen any answer better than "use Google" yet, though, so I'm passing it along to Methods for consideration. - Mod ] Recently when looking for my family in Russia I discovered people in Habarovsk, who probably are my cousins. This is complicated so I just tell that the ONLY thing to know it is to check if their grandfather was brother of mt grandgrandfather - there is no documents however and all I could do is to find if he was fighting in 10th "Intergermanland's" hussars regiment, and "missed" at war with Japan in 1904 year near Ussurisk. Man's surname was Rytel (written also Ryttel or Ritter) BUT if he decided to use another name in army (he was from Polish-Russian family) he could use name van Kreiter after his mother or even perhaps Lavrov - after first husband of his mother, the tzar's chamberlain. In regiment he was officer and hide himself in faraway Russia near 1904 after a battle (he was wounded and rescued by his Kossack's friend, then he changed belief and name, and married Kossack's woman with 4 children - it's all complicated. I know only that after marriage his name was Piotr (Peter). It is important to know - if his name BEFORE was Alexander then he is brother of my grandgrandfather. There is no documents so the only clue is to find soldier named Alexander Rytel (or Kreiter or Lavrov) among oficcers in 10th "intergermanland's" regiment of hussars. Summarising - I need a list of soldiers who were enrolled to 10th intergermandland's regiment of hussars. I do not live in Russia so I cannot check in archives. Is it possible to find it anywhere else? Please help me, I will be very thankful! regards! Krystyna Jaroslawska PS This message I put on a few other genealogy groups to let it to be find by more people. Please, do not delete it, thank you! Aida <[email protected]>

> Looking for a genealogical software able to produce ancestors circle > with names in circle too. > > "JEAN-CHARLES GODIN" <[email protected]> family tree maker 16 makes Fan charts of variou types hugh W -- Beta blogger http://nanowrimo3.blogspot.com/ visiting my past http://hughw36-2.blogspot.com/ re-entry http://snaps4.blogspot.com/" photographs and walks old blogger http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG Hugh Watkins <[email protected]>

Hello, Looking for a genealogical software able to produce ancestors circle with names in circle too. Charles "JEAN-CHARLES GODIN" <[email protected]>

> I. At what age in NC 1771-1777, does a male begin to pay poll taxes? > Is there an online site where might I find further information on > the topic of males paying poll taxes? > > Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]> I too was hoping for an answer to this question. I have used VA tax lists and found them to be very useful, especially when separating men with the same name in the same county. If you're lucky enough to find a series of tax lists, you can find a man's approximate age by finding when he first appears on the tax lists. But I haven't used NC tax lists much and am not that familiar with them. I do have a family where the tax list might prove helpful, but I haven't found a convenient way to search the tax lists without going to the NC Archives in Raleigh. (A lot of VA tax lists are on-line.) Here's what I have come across in my research: William Doub Bennett gives an explanation of NC tax laws in the introduction to Jo White Linn's book on Rowan Co NC tax lists 1757-1800. He says that during the colonial period, all white males 16 and older were taxed with the poll tax (separate from the land tax). After 1783, the poll tax was charged on white males 21 and older. After 1786 the age range was 21-60 yrs old. My problem is finding the extant tax lists. Clarence Ratcliff has published 2 volumes of NC taxpayers which is helpful if you find someone. Most counties are listed for one year or two years only. The NC Archives has a pdf file of county records http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/records.htm where you can search by county to see if tax records survive for the county and period you're interested in. If you find an on-line site for NC tax records, please share it with the list. Laurie McKenna "Laurie McKenna" <[email protected]>

> I. At what age in NC 1771-1777, does a male begin to pay poll taxes? > Is there an online site where might I find further information on > the topic of males paying poll taxes? > > Fred Frederick Sorry, I've been busy. Typically, the taxes were on free white able-bodied males aged 16 to 45. Occasionally, by whim of state legislaure, they began at 13 or 14, but never IME younger. Free blacks didn't seem to pay them, but slaveholders had to pay tax for slaves of either sex. Note that there is a difference between taxed and paid -- a man living with his father typically had his tax paid by his father, often a hired hand had his tax paid by his employer. SOMETIMES the taxlist shows this, often it doesn't. Since you're specifically interested in North Carolina, try their official state Archives site (I don't work NC so I don't have a URL; try google). Also, the NC State Library MAY have something. HTH Cheryl singhals <[email protected]>

> I. At what age in NC 1771-1777, does a male begin to pay poll taxes? > Is there an online site where might I find further information on > the topic of males paying poll taxes? > > Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" Poll taxes were "head" taxes and the people subject to them varied from state to state and from time to time. From 1749 to 1777 in North Carolina, for instance, poll taxes were levied on all white males age 16 and over as well as negroes, mulattoes, mustees or octoroons, and all persons of mixed blood to the fourth generation, both male and female, who were 12 years of age and older. Janey Joyce <[email protected]>

> I'm sorry no one has responded to you. > > Do a Google search for Colonial Laws and variations of the key > words and you should find all you need. You will find the laws very > interesting. > > J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> Thank you for taking time to respond to my inquiry. I am very surprised that no one has responded before now as all the listmembers seem so knowledgeable of many topics. Again, I thank you and I shall immediately follow your instructions. Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]>

> I. At what age in NC 1771-1777, does a male begin to pay poll taxes? > Is there an online site where might I find further information on > the topic of males paying poll taxes? > > Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]> I'm sorry no one has responded to you. I think, rightly or wrongly, poll taxes were paid by a person who owned property in that era. Do a Google search for Colonial Laws and variations of the key words and you should find all you need. You will find the laws very interesting. Hugh [email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan)

Our research note for the month discusses how to find and use various kinds of directories -- city, rural and patrons -- in order to find clues for your ancestors. It can be found at http://www.parkbooks.com/Html/res_dirs.html Other notes for those interested in Minnesota research can be found at http://www.parkbooks.com/Html/research.html Enjoy! Mary Mary Bakeman [email protected] Park Genealogical Books http://www.parkbooks.com/

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but this list is also soc.genealogy.methods , a newsgroup on usenet. (I access this group through a newsreader, Free Agent, not a mailing list). Google has 8,226+ messages from soc.genealogy.methods at http://tinyurl.com/yxomdk Jerry Ukes <[email protected]>

Thank you all for your kind replies. I'll stick around a while and be a lurker. Joan in Scottsdale AZ [email protected]