> > I'm new to the list so I might be repeating something that has > > already been done, or this is the wrong list for, but I would love > > to share good sites for researching genealogy. > > > > My favorite research site to get gedcom files is at: > > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi > > > > Newest discovery for Civil war information: > > > > http://dlxs.richmond.edu/d/ddr/ > > > > It is the Richmond newspaper that published throughout the Civil War > > and has a searchable data base and reproductions of the actual > > pages. > > > > Is anyone interested?? > > > > "Paulette Smith" <[email protected]> > > Most GEDCOM files from RootsWeb are next to worthless as they have > either no sources or the only sources are other gedcoms (which > usually have no sources). > > RootsWeb would do the world a favor if it deleted every Gedcom with > no sources or other gedcoms for sources. What would be left would > at least serve as a somewhat usable cluefinder to actual sourced > information. > > It would also serve to discourage name collectors and focus on > actual genealogical research. > > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Ahem? (g) Some of us believe that an event place of Washington D.C., USA should be a sufficient clue to the probability that the fact (birth, marriage or death) can be documented by using the relevant vital records from Washington DC. And then too some of us prefer to say "Sources on request". It would be a mistake to _assume_ that an unstated source is also non-existent. Cheryl singhals <[email protected]>

> Most GEDCOM files from RootsWeb are next to worthless as they have > either no sources or the only sources are other gedcoms (which > usually have no sources). > > RootsWeb would do the world a favor if it deleted every Gedcom with > no sources or other gedcoms for sources. What would be left would > at least serve as a somewhat usable cluefinder to actual sourced > information. > > It would also serve to discourage name collectors and focus on > actual genealogical research. > > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> For serious research you are correct. The gedcom files generally are only useful in suggesting where to search. (with some excellent exceptions). The majority of my ancestry never shows up because they were the "100 acres & a mule" type of country people who left few, if any, records. In addition the records that they did leave were burned when the courthouse burned or when the Union army came through Virginia. Ancestry has been very useful to me though, because having hit brick walls in all my US lines I am now looking at far out possibilities. Like a lot of other Virginians, I was told I was descended from Pocahontas. I thought it highly unlikely until I did the math. If you assume 30 years for each generation and a slowly declining birth rate the numbers I come up with are: 1. John Bolling and Mary Kennon had 6 children. 2 Next generation born 1730-60 had 6 children or 36 grandchildren 3. Born 1760-90 had 5 children or 180 great grandchildren 4. Born 1790-1820 had 5 children or 900 gggc 5. Born 1820-1850 had 4 children or 3,600 ggggc 6. Born 1850-1880 had 4 children or 14,400 gggggc 7. Born 1880-1910 had 4 children or 57,600 ggggggc 8. Born 1910-1940 had 3 children or 172,800 gggggggc 9. Born 1940-1970 had 3 children or 518,400 ggggggggc 10. Born 1970-2000 had 2 children or 1,036,800 gggggggggc 11. Born 2000-2030 had 2 children or 2,073,600 ggggggggggc That is a lot of cousins! I do tend to think that if you don't research original records or verifiable sources you are not researching you are just accumulating. Paulette "Paulette Smith" <[email protected]>

> I would like to figure out the relationship between me and a > "cousin." Her paternal great-grandfather married my paternal > great-grandmother's maternal aunt. The two of them raised her after > her mother died. > > How are the two of us (me and the "cousin") related? How am I > related to the uncle who raised my great-grandmother? > > [email protected] I believe you would be 3rd cousins once removed and you would be the 2gr grandniece of the uncle who raised your gr-grandmother. The common ancestor would be the 5th generation on your cousin's side and the 6th on your side. Here's a reference chart: http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm Kevin "k..." <[email protected]>

To figure relationship you have to have a common ancestor. So You Cousin parent parent paternal grand father paternal grand father paternal great grandmother paternal great grand mother (the aunt) maternal great great grand mother parents of aunt maternal great great great grandparent This means there 5 generations back to your common ancestor and 4 generations back to the common ancestor for your cousin. the relationships go first generation - siblings second - 1st cousins third - 2nd cousins fourth - 3rd cousins Since you are of unequal generations and the difference is 1 then you are third cousins once removed. This assumes that she descends from the union of her paternal great-grandfather and your paternal great grandmother's maternal aunt. Julia [email protected]

Hey, Good day to all. I was just wondering how it is determined whether someone is your first second third fourth etc. cousin. Thanks for any answers! "Chau" <[email protected]>

> I would like to figure out the relationship between me and a > "cousin." Her paternal great-grandfather married my paternal > great-grandmother's maternal aunt. The two of them raised her after > her mother died. > > How are the two of us (me and the "cousin") related? How am I > related to the uncle who raised my great-grandmother? > > [email protected] 2guncle perhaps?

> Hugh Sullivan in a later post explains basically why I encouraged > the development of WorldConnect at RootsWeb. > > It's true that there's a lot of complete rubbish in WC, and even > the best work tends to be poorly sourced (in part due to inherent > limitations in the GEDCOM format). > > But about the fastest way to make progress on a new line or for a > new client is to consult WC. If you find nothing at all, that's > interesting in its own right. > > If you find something, approach every asserted fact (even sourced > facts) with skepticism and independently prove or disprove it. > > If you can't prove or disprove a fact, ask the author of the > GEDCOM why they believe the fact to be true. Occasionally you'll > find a family bible or other non-public source this way that would > have been difficult or impossible to unearth by other means. > > "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email protected]> wrote: In the hope that some continued discussion will benefit newbies... None of my "proven" data is on any web site for several reasons. I don't want it harvested by commercial groups for one. For another, I'm selfish. I want to have a discussion with anyone who is interested in any of the lines I follow and making the data universally available does not always fill that need. Also, I have built 5 generations before the dead end based solely on incontrovertible (so far) logic. I'm not interested in someone saying WOW! I want to know if proof (I haven't seen) exists that proves me right or wrong - wrong info is worse than no info. People have a tendency to accept what they see on Internet without question. And, in my case, several of my early theories still appear even though I have dismissed them as incorrect. Fortunately the people published them as their own data instead of giving me credit. Then there are family historians - good-hearted people who sometimes (sometimes is a key word here) waive commonly accepted rules of genealogy to please family and friends. This includes the righteous among us who properly insist on bloodlines but who will be in for a few disappointments when DNA testing is universal. A few will transform from genealogists to historians overnight. C'est la vie. I don't mean to discourage anyone. I think what I'm trying to say is that genealogy is a precise science but we genealogists are not as precise as we sometimes think we are. Even the most competent genealogist can be misled by what appears to be undeniable truth once the next piece of evidence is uncovered. I'm not even sure how Sullivan is spelled - I've seen it in print spelled a lot more than 100 ways. I have a list. Who was that Selvin or Swillivant? This is getting pretty windy and I have said nothing that most people here could not have said better. If nothing else I hope it gives some newcomers food for thought - I know it won't help any oldcomers. Hugh [email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan)

HI: I would like to figure out the relationship between me and a "cousin." Her paternal great-grandfather married my paternal great-grandmother's maternal aunt. The two of them raised her after her mother died. How are the two of us (me and the "cousin") related? How am I related to the uncle who raised my great-grandmother? Thanks, Kberry [email protected]

> I'm new to the list so I might be repeating something that has > already been done, or this is the wrong list for, but I would love > to share good sites for researching genealogy. > > <snip> > >"Paulette Smith" <[email protected]> My favorite is: http:///www.newenglandancestors.com/ the website of the New England Historic Genealogical Society. I've found a lot of great leads and some original documents they've scanned in which have made my rather pricey yearly membership well worth it. I have to say, though, that the US GenWeb Project has also provided me many leads, including listings and even photographs of tombstones for some of my family in Logansport, Indiana -- including my grandmother, whom I had no idea where she had ended up (rather long story). The indexes and listings on the US GenWeb Project can yield some very fine leads for further investigation, as they did for me. Karen Rhodes also new to the list "Karen Rhodes" <[email protected]>

> > Most GEDCOM files from RootsWeb are next to worthless as they have > > either no sources or the only sources are other gedcoms (which > > usually have no sources). > > > > RootsWeb would do the world a favor if it deleted every Gedcom with > > no sources or other gedcoms for sources. What would be left would > > at least serve as a somewhat usable cluefinder to actual sourced > > information. > > > > It would also serve to discourage name collectors and focus on > > actual genealogical research. > > > >"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Hugh Sullivan in a later post explains basically why I encouraged > the development of WorldConnect at RootsWeb. > < snipped > > > Dr. Brian Leverich <[email protected]> thank you Brian I have had many useful contacts with unknown cousins through wc it is also a good way to review your own data if you export from FTM 16 (If you don't have it get FTM 2006 at firesale prices just now and web update eg Staples in USA amazon uk AND OR just for the free trial ancestry subscription offers 90 days to one year) when I see my stuff on worldconnect I often spot my own errors and typos embarrassingly easily. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=hughw36 you could also make your own home page for free Paulette http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hugh/home.html enjoy Hugh W -- Beta blogger http://nanowrimo3.blogspot.com/ visiting my past http://hughw36-2.blogspot.com/ re-entry http://snaps4.blogspot.com/" photographs and walks old blogger http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG Hugh Watkins <[email protected]>

> I'm new to the list so I might be repeating something that has > already been done, or this is the wrong list for, but I would love > to share good sites for researching genealogy. > > My favorite research site to get gedcom files is at: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi > > Newest discovery for Civil war information: > > http://dlxs.richmond.edu/d/ddr/ > > It is the Richmond newspaper that published throughout the Civil War > and has a searchable data base and reproductions of the actual > pages. > > Is anyone interested?? > > "Paulette Smith" <[email protected]> see http://www.bitsofblueandgray.com/ enjoy Hugh W Beta blogger http://nanowrimo3.blogspot.com/ visiting my past http://hughw36-2.blogspot.com/ re-entry http://snaps4.blogspot.com/" photographs and walks old blogger http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG Hugh Watkins <[email protected]>

> Most GEDCOM files from RootsWeb are next to worthless as they have > either no sources or the only sources are other gedcoms (which > usually have no sources). > > RootsWeb would do the world a favor if it deleted every Gedcom with > no sources or other gedcoms for sources. What would be left would > at least serve as a somewhat usable cluefinder to actual sourced > information. > > It would also serve to discourage name collectors and focus on > actual genealogical research. > > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Hugh Sullivan in a later post explains basically why I encouraged the development of WorldConnect at RootsWeb. It's true that there's a lot of complete rubbish in WC, and even the best work tends to be poorly sourced (in part due to inherent limitations in the GEDCOM format). But about the fastest way to make progress on a new line or for a new client is to consult WC. If you find nothing at all, that's interesting in its own right. If you find something, approach every asserted fact (even sourced facts) with skepticism and independently prove or disprove it. If you can't prove or disprove a fact, ask the author of the GEDCOM why they believe the fact to be true. Occasionally you'll find a family bible or other non-public source this way that would have been difficult or impossible to unearth by other means. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich <[email protected]> Moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L Founder, RootsWeb.com and Linkpendium.com

> I'm new to the list so I might be repeating something that has > already been done, or this is the wrong list for, but I would love > to share good sites for researching genealogy. > > Paulette Smith <[email protected]> I'm obviously not impartial, but Linkpendium is intended to be (and probably is) the best directory to genealogical data on the Web, organized by American locality and by surnames worldwide. http://www.linkpendium.com/ Currently, Linkpendium has 5,283,634 categorized genealogical links. Linkpendium does not cover localities outside of the United States, and does not cover genealogical resources that are not locality- or surname-related. (For example, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L is not mentioned anywhere on the Linkpendium site.) Cyndislist is a good choice for everything that Linkpendium doesn't cover and, for completeness, should be consulted after Linkpendium even for areas and surnames covered by Linkpendium. http://www.cyndislist.com/ Currently, CyndisList has 252,550 categorized genealogical links. Cheers, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich <[email protected]> Moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L Founder, RootsWeb.com and Linkpendium.com

> I sent you a reply on Nov. 15, but it never showed up. From another > posting, I read they apparently had some problems on the net. As it > was my first time I may have done something wrong. At any rate this > is what I said. > > Paulette Smith <[email protected]> Ms. Smith: Thank you for writing again. Your post did reach me and I did reply. I appreciate your help. Thank you. Fred, Sr. "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]>

> I'm new to the list so I might be repeating something that has > already been done, or this is the wrong list for, but I would love > to share good sites for researching genealogy. > > My favorite research site to get gedcom files is at: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi > > Newest discovery for Civil war information: > > http://dlxs.richmond.edu/d/ddr/ > > It is the Richmond newspaper that published throughout the Civil War > and has a searchable data base and reproductions of the actual > pages. > > Is anyone interested?? > > "Paulette Smith" <[email protected]> The world connect site is good except (1) don't believe everything you see. Use the data as clues and do the research yourself. Almost any site has more erroneous data than accurate data (2) the site is not very beneficial if you have your genealogy much further back than anyone else. Once you mine the world connect site you need to expand your search techniques. I think it would be interesting for readers to post their favorite search sites. Two of my current favorites are Ancestry (by subscription) and Family Tree DNA where I'm looking for people who match my markers. I have 22 sites on my browser favorites listing including the obituary column from the daily newspaper where my ancestors were raised. The latter is often a good source for family data. Hugh [email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan)

On 23 Nov 2006 at 9:17, Paulette Smith wrote: > I'm new to the list so I might be repeating something that has > already been done, or this is the wrong list for, but I would love > to share good sites for researching genealogy. It works for me. > Newest discovery for Civil war information: > > http://dlxs.richmond.edu/d/ddr/ I'll check it out; may come in handy when I get to my husband's great-great grandfather. Thanks! Karen Rhodes "Karen Rhodes" <[email protected]>

> My favorite research site to get gedcom files is at: > > "Paulette Smith" ([email protected]) Paulette, As you gain research experience, you will probably find that the only gedcom files worth trusting are ones summarizing your own original research, and that even your own work is in constant need of correction. ... Martin [email protected] (Martin Potter)

> I'm new to the list so I might be repeating something that has > already been done, or this is the wrong list for, but I would love > to share good sites for researching genealogy. > > My favorite research site to get gedcom files is at: > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi > > Newest discovery for Civil war information: > > http://dlxs.richmond.edu/d/ddr/ > > It is the Richmond newspaper that published throughout the Civil War > and has a searchable data base and reproductions of the actual > pages. > > Is anyone interested?? > > "Paulette Smith" <[email protected]> Most GEDCOM files from RootsWeb are next to worthless as they have either no sources or the only sources are other gedcoms (which usually have no sources). RootsWeb would do the world a favor if it deleted every Gedcom with no sources or other gedcoms for sources. What would be left would at least serve as a somewhat usable cluefinder to actual sourced information. It would also serve to discourage name collectors and focus on actual genealogical research. "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

I'm new to the list so I might be repeating something that has already been done, or this is the wrong list for, but I would love to share good sites for researching genealogy. My favorite research site to get gedcom files is at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi Newest discovery for Civil war information: http://dlxs.richmond.edu/d/ddr/ It is the Richmond newspaper that published throughout the Civil War and has a searchable data base and reproductions of the actual pages. Is anyone interested?? Paulette Smith "Paulette Smith" <[email protected]>

> > I'm sorry no one has responded to you. > > > > Do a Google search for Colonial Laws and variations of the key > > words and you should find all you need. You will find the laws very > > interesting. > > > > J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> > > Thank you for taking time to respond to my inquiry. I am very > surprised that no one has responded before now as all the > listmembers seem so knowledgeable of many topics. > > Again, I thank you and I shall immediately follow your instructions. > > "Fred Frederick" <[email protected]> I sent you a reply on Nov. 15, but it never showed up. From another posting, I read they apparently had some problems on the net. As it was my first time I may have done something wrong. At any rate this is what I said. If you haven't checked out the North Carolina GenWeb page it might be worth giving it a try. I know the Virginia site had information on it where they explained the categories on the tax lists that someone posted. It's at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ Good luck Paulette "Paulette Smith" <[email protected]>