Well not so lost. I have been working on my hubbies family tree, it was last updated 19 years ago. It turns out that a friend of mine who has been a friend for the last 17 years ago is my husbands 3rd cousin. We are all stunned, kids are ecstatic as they get along really well. My hubbies mum came from a family of 12 children and her father is one of 16. It also turns out that my friend is close to some closer relations of ours but we have never been at family gatherings at the same time. Makes me wonder what else I'll find in there? Anyway, this is out of the Richards Reed side of his family in NZ that emigrated from England in the 1800's, so if anyone has any link to us can you please post here or email me by demunging my email address. TIA, Nelly. ICQ 14823033 If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours :-)