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    1. germans emigrated via LeHavre
    2. Wilhelm Gragert
    3. Hello, does anyone know if there are ship-lists for persons, who emigrated to the USA via LeHavre? Thank you in advance for any hint. Wilhelm

    03/11/2002 05:36:10
    1. Re: germans emigrated via LeHavre
    2. D. Stussy
    3. On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Wilhelm Gragert wrote: >Hello, does anyone know if there are ship-lists for persons, who emigrated to >the USA via LeHavre? Thank you in advance for any hint. Yes. Someone knows. ----------- To answer the anticipated, subsequent question (which is what you probably really meant to ask): "Germans to America" Ship passenger lists. Often, this means "German SPEAKING" peoples, not just political Germans but Swiss, Austrian, etc..., as well. My local LDS Church FHL had a complete set, so maybe there's one near you too.

    03/11/2002 02:33:53
    1. Re: germans emigrated via LeHavre
    2. Robert Jerin
    3. "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0203112131440.23113-100000@exp.bde-arc.ampr.org... > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Wilhelm Gragert wrote: > >Hello, does anyone know if there are ship-lists for persons, who emigrated to > >the USA via LeHavre? Thank you in advance for any hint. > > Yes. Someone knows. > > ----------- > To answer the anticipated, subsequent question (which is what you probably > really meant to ask): > > "Germans to America" Ship passenger lists. Often, this means "German > SPEAKING" peoples, not just political Germans but Swiss, Austrian, etc..., as > well. And these would be ethnic Germans. The country of Germany did not exist as a single, unified nation prior to 1850s. Simple case of Citizenship vs ethnicity (or Race of People as many Ellis Island ship manifests state). The definition of Race of People on those old manifest says this is "the stock from which the alien sprang or the language they speak". Today around 95% of Austrians are ethnic Germans. So these modern Austrians are Germans by stock and language but Austrians by citizenship. And you can include people from many parts of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire IE Hungary, Romania, Bohemia, Romania, Croatia, Slovenia, etc.. Robert Jerin

    03/11/2002 09:32:31