Hello, We can all admit that the LDS web site is full of great information for genealogists. It seems that if I stay away for a month or two, I come back and find out something else for my surnames. Just recently, this was the case. I found out a slew of information on one of my Dad's cousins plus all 3 of his wives and childern. This was a nice find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! These folks were Danish Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let them know that they're claiming some of MY people? Amusingly yours, Bill

While work is done for the dead, there is no requirement for the dead to accept the work. The threefold mission of the church: 1. Strengthen the Saints. 2. Share the Gospel. 3. Redeem the dead. Reply or query one of the "Mormon" newsgroups for more information. Or, ask your local missionaries in for questions (g). More below inline. [some snipping] > find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they > are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! These folks were Danish > Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning > church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in > Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it You may not be the only descendant of these people. Some of the other descendants may be members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and those people may be the ones that submitted the names for Temple work. > looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is > doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to > use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. They are not being claimed as "Mormons", their temple work be done for them, but it is up to them to decide whether or not to accept it. [remainder snipped]

Sounds like an Advertisement to me. "Kay Archer" <j.a.b@k.a.y.s.e.r.v.net> wrote in message news:u8kfp5sk9frq17@corp.supernews.com... > While work is done for the dead, there is no requirement for the dead to > accept the work. > > The threefold mission of the church: > 1. Strengthen the Saints. > 2. Share the Gospel. > 3. Redeem the dead. > > Reply or query one of the "Mormon" newsgroups for more information. Or, ask > your local missionaries in for questions (g). > > More below inline. > [some snipping] > > > find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they > > are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! These folks were Danish > > Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning > > church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in > > Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it > > You may not be the only descendant of these people. Some of the other > descendants may be members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day > Saints and those people may be the ones that submitted the names for Temple > work. > > > > looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is > > doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to > > use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. > > They are not being claimed as "Mormons", their temple work be done for them, > but it is up to them to decide whether or not to accept it. > > [remainder snipped] > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 11/04/2001

Sitka wrote: > find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they > are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! Please. Watch your mouth. > These folks were Danish > Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning > church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in You need to hear more; you don't seem to have understood the concept the first time through. "Original Temple Records" means : no paper documents. These entries were taken directly from LDS Temple Records of activities performed on behalf of the dead. > Does anybody have any suggestions? Get over it. Or, if that's not on your agenda, quit using their records -- what the eye doesn't see, the mind doesn't grieve over. Cheryl

"Sitka" <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message news:d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com... > Hello, > I realize that LDS is > doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to > use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. > If I understand it correctly, and family member can arrange for their ancestors to be offered the opportunity in the afterlife to become members of the LDS. They are free to refuse. > Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let > them know that they're claiming some of MY people? > I find it very hard to believe that you are the sole descendant, or that you have all rights over what happens to the records of these people. If any of your fellow descendants are members, they have as much right to proceed in keeping with their beliefs as you do. >Amusingly yours, Actually, no. I'm not amused by bigotry. Lesley Robertson

"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message news:a6dfb0$jkv$1@news.tudelft.nl... > > "Sitka" <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message > news:d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com... [snip] > I find it very hard to believe that you are the sole descendant, or that you > have all rights over what happens to the records of these people. If any of > your fellow descendants are members, they have as much right to proceed in > keeping with their beliefs as you do. > > >Amusingly yours, > > Actually, no. I'm not amused by bigotry. > Lesley Robertson Loved you last remark. Celia

Let me get this straight...this guy's comment makes him a biggot? Where do you come from? If you're so quick to judge, what does this make you? D On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:03:46 +0100, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: > >"Sitka" <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message >news:d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com... >> Hello, >> I realize that LDS is >> doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to >> use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. >> >If I understand it correctly, and family member can arrange for their >ancestors to be offered the opportunity in the afterlife to become members >of the LDS. They are free to refuse. > >> Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let >> them know that they're claiming some of MY people? >> >I find it very hard to believe that you are the sole descendant, or that you >have all rights over what happens to the records of these people. If any of >your fellow descendants are members, they have as much right to proceed in >keeping with their beliefs as you do. > >>Amusingly yours, > >Actually, no. I'm not amused by bigotry. >Lesley Robertson > >

I'm a non-member of the church working at one of the libraries. Their sealing process is to allow the spirit of the deceasd the chance to remain a member of the religion they were at the time of death or become a member of the Mormon church. They are not changing the person's religion for them. The names are submitted to the temple & that is where the sealing takes place. If you have any questions, contact the library nearest you & talk it over with one of the members working there. They will not try to convert you. They will be more than glad to answer your questions. That's how I found out the meaning behind their work & procedures. I'm still a member of the Lutheran church. I have no plans of changing. Jo Researching: Eichmann & Papemeyer- Lippe Detmold; Diel- Rhineland; Endras & Meichelbok- Markt-Oberdorf area of Bavaria; Kinzinger- Baden; Weis- Somewhere in Bavaria; Behr- Somewhere in Germany

In article <d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com> Sitka <snorristurlusson@excite.com> writes: >Dad's cousins plus all 3 of his wives and childern. This was a nice >find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they >are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! These folks were Danish >Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning >church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in >Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it >looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is >doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to >use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. You seem to have many misunderstandings bumping into each other. Ultimately, and they make no secret of this, all this research is not done to compile records for us to use. That is an intermediate step. The final goal is the temple work. If you don't like that, you're free to withhold your research from them. These records are very useful for researchers who don't buy into the LDS theological perspective, but that isn't the point in financing a large library system. For example, the IGI may be useful to researchers, but if no temple work were being done, nothing would be added to the IGI. And no one is claiming any retroactive rewriting of these people's lives and church practices. The records don't "claim them as Mormons." The records show that certain rites have been performed (as the LDS believe) on behalf of the person named. -- Drew Lawson | It's not enough to be alive drew@furrfu.com | when your future's been deferred

Sitka <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message news:<d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com>... > Hello, > > We can all admit that the LDS web site is full of great information > for genealogists. It seems that if I stay away for a month or two, I > come back and find out something else for my surnames. Just recently, > this was the case. I found out a slew of information on one of my > Dad's cousins plus all 3 of his wives and childern. This was a nice > find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they > are "Original Temple Records". My (expletive deleted)!! These folks were > > Danish Lutherans, not Mormons. > I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning > church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in > Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it > looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is > doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to > use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. They are not claimed as Mormons. In fact, I've heard that LDS members who die are not included in the IGI. Some may be, but it may be collateral as a result of some other research. Someone pointed out some info about 'original temple records'. Take that as a new clue--you may find some other descendants of your family who have even more data because of it! Go to your nearest FHC and look at the 'Ordinance Index', under LDS options. Get the dates and temple names. That will give you some more clues as to where some of those other descendants lived, or, if recent enough, where some of them may now live or what region they may be in now. Look at the batch number, if it's all numbers then it was an LDS member who submitted. There may be a paper submission form microfilmed and you can go to a microfilm that has the actual paperwork. Save the ordinance dates, then go to the Ancestral File at the FHC and find the same names and see if you can match the ordinance dates up with the Ordinance Index dates. Also, most FHCs now also have the Pedigree Resource File. You can also use the ordinance dates here as the LDS members may have put them in the submission along with the rest of the info. You may find other people who are currently working on the lines that way. > > Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let > them know that they're claiming some of MY people? > > Amusingly yours, > > Bill