"Henry F. Brownlee" wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:21 GMT, "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> > wrote: > > >I would find BOTH of those wrong, as it does not indicate the COUNTRY. > >Locations in the USA MUST SAY SO to be correct. > > > > Perhaps for those who do not live in the USA. But for those of us who do, it > is a given. And I doubt even those in Great Britain (oops - the UK) will > think that New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana is other than in the USA. > But then, I have been wrong once before. But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana Purchase?<g? > Henry F. Brownlee > South Louisiana Bob

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Robert Heiling wrote: >"Henry F. Brownlee" wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:21 GMT, "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> >> wrote: >> >I would find BOTH of those wrong, as it does not indicate the COUNTRY. >> >Locations in the USA MUST SAY SO to be correct. >> > >> >> Perhaps for those who do not live in the USA. But for those of us who do, it >> is a given. And I doubt even those in Great Britain (oops - the UK) will >> think that New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana is other than in the USA. >> But then, I have been wrong once before. > >But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana >Purchase?<g? I use the MODERN name if the place has one. Why? It makes it alot easier to find on a map should one want to GO there. My database allows notes for place names, so I list all alternate names (if relevant) it was known by there (or if it were a place part of a neighboring town, the other town's name, so as to note that records may be found "over there; not here"). So, as an example: New Orleans, Jefferson [Parish], LA, USA would be used even for those events prior to 1803 when it was still owned by France (Parish is used instead of County in Louisiana), or Newbury, Essex, MA, USA would be used even in 1639 when it was chartered under colonial rule by England. ONE NAME for a place makes things easier.....

"D. Stussy" wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Robert Heiling wrote: > >"Henry F. Brownlee" wrote: > >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:21 GMT, "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> > >> wrote: > >> >I would find BOTH of those wrong, as it does not indicate the COUNTRY. > >> >Locations in the USA MUST SAY SO to be correct. > >> > > >> > >> Perhaps for those who do not live in the USA. But for those of us who do, it > >> is a given. And I doubt even those in Great Britain (oops - the UK) will > >> think that New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana is other than in the USA. > >> But then, I have been wrong once before. > > > >But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana > >Purchase?<g? > > I use the MODERN name if the place has one. Why? It makes it alot easier to > find on a map should one want to GO there. My database allows notes for place > names, so I list all alternate names (if relevant) it was known by there (or if > it were a place part of a neighboring town, the other town's name, so as to > note that records may be found "over there; not here"). But, I sometimes find it useful to use the county that was correct at the time instead of the current county. When looking for records relating to that event, you need to know which county courthouse to look in or which county's census records to use. > > So, as an example: > New Orleans, Jefferson [Parish], LA, USA > would be used even for those events prior to 1803 when it was still owned by > France (Parish is used instead of County in Louisiana), or > Newbury, Essex, MA, USA > would be used even in 1639 when it was chartered under colonial rule by > England. > > ONE NAME for a place makes things easier.....

"D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.10.10201112203270.24798-100000@exp.bde-arc.ampr.org... > ONE NAME for a place makes things easier..... It also can be a source of great confusion and error. Listing a birth in 1800 as being in New Orleans, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, or as being in 1843 in Monroe County, West Virginia, is one thing. Most people will know that Louisana was not a part of the U.S. in 1803 (nor was Massachussets in 1770, for that matter) or that what is now West Virginia was a part of Virginia until the U.S. Civil War. However, the difficulty comes with lesser known units. If one uses "the modern name" for a county, then it totally misleads the reader. For example, I often encounter databases which say that a certain couple was married in Page County, Virginia, in 1789. This is quite impossible, for Page County was not created until 1831. The couple was actually married in Shenandoah County - and the importance of this to the genealogist is that Shenandoah County is where the record of the even will be found. The best rule of thumb for place names is to try to identify the place in a manner that allows the reader to know where he or she should search for a record of the event. From 1760 through 1805, my fourth great grandfather, Henry Pence, lived on the same plot of land. His children, however, were born in two different counties - Frederick County prior to 1772 and Shenandoah County after 1772. If you search for that land today, you will find it is in Page County. If I were to use your method and put the place of birth and most of the marriages of Henry's 17 children as being in Page County, not only would this be an impossibility (there was no Page County at the time), any researcher looking among the records of Page County would find no trace of Henry or any member of his family - they all were in Ohio at least 20 years before Page County was created. (Yet I can find countless instances on line telling the world that this child or that was born in Page County or married there.) I just got through responding to a calendar question. In that thread, it appears that an author of a time line tried to be helpful and by so doing hopelessly confused the issue. The same thing happens when you try to make things "easier" by making it one name place. As with dates, places should be entered as they were given in the original record. A good genealogy program can handles this without too much difficulty. Regards, Richard A. Pence, 3211 Adams Ct, Fairfax, VA 22030 Voice 703-591-4243 Fax 703-352-3560 Pence Family History <http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/>

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:26:55 GMT, Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> wrote: >But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana >Purchase?<g? > Bob, in that case I would just use Louisiana or Territory of New Orleans. Or French Louisiana. Or Spanish Louisiana. Or ? <g> Henry

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:51:19 GMT, hfb1931@bellsouth.net (Henry F. Brownlee) wrote: >Bob, in that case I would just use Louisiana or Territory of New Orleans. Or >French Louisiana. Or Spanish Louisiana. Or ? <g> > >Henry > Follow-up on my own message, I know, but in the case of my wife's 7th Great Grandfather, I put German Coast, Louisiana, for his place of death. That's what it was called then; actually, Cote des Allemands. Henry

Robert Heiling wrote: > > "Henry F. Brownlee" wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:21 GMT, "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> > > wrote: > > > > >I would find BOTH of those wrong, as it does not indicate the COUNTRY. > > >Locations in the USA MUST SAY SO to be correct. > > > > > > > Perhaps for those who do not live in the USA. But for those of us who do, it > > is a given. And I doubt even those in Great Britain (oops - the UK) will > > think that New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana is other than in the USA. > > But then, I have been wrong once before. > > But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana > Purchase?<g? Which day of what year? (g) Cheryl

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:26:55 GMT, Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> wrote: But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana >Purchase?<g? > Louisiana Territory? How is this any different than Washington Teritory or Dakota territory (pre No and So. Dakota)? Or for that matter, old parts of Ohio, pre-statehood, when it was NW Territory? or a multitude of others out here with the rest of us pioneers on the frontier ......<g>...

In message <Ehb08.639306$8q.51509247@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> tweek@eris.io.com (Mike Maxfield) wrote: > carolea7@attbi.com (Carole Allen) writes: > > > >Louisiana Territory? How is this any different than Washington > >Teritory or Dakota territory (pre No and So. Dakota)? Or for that > >matter, old parts of Ohio, pre-statehood, when it was NW Territory? or > >a multitude of others out here with the rest of us pioneers on the > >frontier ......<g>... > > I wonder how many people with 1600's entries for New Amsterdam are citing > the location as NYC, NY. > > I quote Neiue Amsterdam (NYC) -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website: <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>

In message <3C432749.69115DB6@attbi.com> Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> wrote: > Graeme Wall wrote: <snip> > Date & Time SENT: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:54:21 +0000 > Date & Time RECEIVED: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:08:02 GMT > > You might wish to check your system date & time settings. Given the values > for the RECEIVED, you must have posted this today, but your system says > that it was SENT yesterday. > Date and Time settings are fine, I read off-line and only log on once a day, so replies actually go out the day after I write them normally. But thanks for checking for me, if my clock had been wrong I would have appreciated the heads-up. Regards -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website: <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>