I have uncovered some addresses (from birth & wedding certificates) that refer to house names in a location. Here are a couple: Garon Villa Penrhiwceiber (Wales - 1901) and 14 Walcot Villas Stratton St Margaret (Wiltshire - 1933) Finding the towns/villages hasn't been a problem - find the houses (or where they may have been) is... Does anyone have knowledge of a resource or resources that may keep a record of such things? =================================== Graham Walter Genealogical research looking for: DAVIS / ROWLAND / JAMES Abercarn, Wales JUKES / BRADLEY - Dorchester, England web: www.walter-family.org ===================================

In article <3c45cd0e_3@news2.prserv.net>, Graham <graham@NOPSPAMwalter- family.org> writes >I have uncovered some addresses (from birth & wedding certificates) that >refer to house names in a location. Here are a couple: > >Garon Villa >Penrhiwceiber (Wales - 1901) > >and > >14 Walcot Villas >Stratton St Margaret (Wiltshire - 1933) > >Finding the towns/villages hasn't been a problem - find the houses (or where >they may have been) is... > >Does anyone have knowledge of a resource or resources that may keep a record >of such things? > > This isn't an old problem. It exists today, albeit many idiots filling in forms designed by other idiots in urban centres are unable to comprehend it. In the parish of Ilsington, many of the old roads have no name and there are many houses where the full postal address was Name, Ilsington, Newton Abbot, Devon. The parish is 9 miles across. Yet post was delivered every day. Local postmen simply learned each walk. As did every other local service. There was (and is) no gazetteer which links individual house names to precise position. Not even large scale maps are necessarily useful. There have been at least five places which were properly addressed as The Vicarage, Ilsington. Each time the Church took the name to a new property it required the old property to be renamed with a name having no connection with the Church. When we bought the then Vicarage we renamed it Sandon House. It still appeared on large scale maps as The Vicarage and the new-built Vicarage did not appear at all. As maps were updated the new name was used and a new property appeared. When we sold, the new owners changed the name again. So the maps are out of date again. Finding out this kind of detail would require either or both of local knowledge and painstaking detailed searching of maps of different ages. Is it worth the bother? In even more remote areas there may not only be no road name but there may be real confusion to outsiders as between the name of an area and the name of a property. A case in point is Loganasgeir, beside Loch Rannoch. It makes sense to some people to talk of hunting deer at Loganasgeir. But I would not expect them to be chasing a fawn round the parlour. Loganasgeir is actually the name of a single building (which was divided into two living units for sisters Janet and Mary in later days). But it is the only building for miles so it does make a kind of sense to talk about hunting at Loganasgeir even if the ghillie takes you a mile or three into the hills behind it. For such isolated properties, a reasonably accurate fix can be obtained even from the old 1 inch to 1 mile OS maps, if you know roughly where to look. But again that helps only if you have the right name for the right age of map. Time will come when every property has as part of its details a grid reference to whatever precision is deemed to be necessary. Well meaning people have come round some areas with 8-digit references which they commend sticking on the telephone for quoting to emergency services trying to locate by GPS systems in-vehicle. I know of no person hereabouts who actually has the number on their telephone. And it certainly is not in house deeds. Even if the system worked, it is an admission that finding precise location from no more than the name of a property cannot be done without local knowledge and regardless of how much money is available. There is no nationwide gazetteer for individual properties. The questions are really for yourself. How precise do you want to get? How important is it to you? Given the amount of work, without guarantee of success because of name changes, is it worth the bother? There is a painting which always worried me because it appeared to show a silver birch trunk dividing into two trunks in part of the foreground. The picture was of Schiehallion seen across Loch Rannoch. When I asked about the biological oddity my (electrical engineer) uncle said he had not noticed it. But he had got the painting from Aunt Mary, who had taken it in part payment of board and lodging for an artist. The next time I was up in Loganasgeir I saw no strange silver birch as I drove along the road. So I started from the door and looked around for a close-by pitch for an artist's easel. Went there, moved about by small steps, and finally found - within inches - where the artist must have stood to paint. There was just one place where two silver birches in line leant in slightly different directions and gave the illusion of a single, bifurcated, tree. I still don't know whether the artist had a simple literal mind and painted exactly what, by chance, he saw. Or whether he looked hard for the opportunity to put a biological 'error' in what was supposed to be an accurate painting. This piece of research contributed nothing to my own genealogy, but it removed an unexplained oddity. I find such things worrying until resolved. The effort was worth it to me, that time. Don '- - ' HYPERPEOPLE: the multinational invisible college of experienced professionals working in one-task multidisciplinary syndicates at and from their homes. Tel: +44(0) 1626 821725 Fax: +44(0) 1626 824912 Ashwood, Exeter Cross, Liverton, Newton Abbot, England TQ12 6EY

On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:47:21 -0000, "Graham" <graham@NOPSPAMwalter-family.org> spoke with words of wisdom , : >I have uncovered some addresses (from birth & wedding certificates) that >refer to house names in a location. Here are a couple: > >Garon Villa >Penrhiwceiber (Wales - 1901) > PLACE NAME GRID COUNTY Penrhiwceiber ST0597 Glamorgan got to www.multimaps.co.uk and put ST0597 in --

Thanks for a response but as my orginal post stated find the village isn't the issue - finding the house is - one house among a couple hundred when there's no guarantee it still exists - that's pretty much a key reason for finding a resource... "1 of 1" <borg@deadspam.com> wrote in message news:5gdc4uokfup3ed0j4bsd0cujfvfh8mf1gb@4ax.com... > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:47:21 -0000, "Graham" > <graham@NOPSPAMwalter-family.org> spoke with words of wisdom , : > > >I have uncovered some addresses (from birth & wedding certificates) that > >refer to house names in a location. Here are a couple: > > > >Garon Villa > >Penrhiwceiber (Wales - 1901) > > > PLACE NAME GRID COUNTY > Penrhiwceiber ST0597 Glamorgan > > got to www.multimaps.co.uk and put ST0597 in > > --

On Wednesday, in article <3c45cd0e_3@news2.prserv.net> graham@NOPSPAMwalter-family.org wrote: > I have uncovered some addresses (from birth & wedding certificates) that > refer to house names in a location. Here are a couple: > > Garon Villa > Penrhiwceiber (Wales - 1901) > > and > > 14 Walcot Villas > Stratton St Margaret (Wiltshire - 1933) > > Finding the towns/villages hasn't been a problem - find the houses (or where > they may have been) is... > > Does anyone have knowledge of a resource or resources that may keep a record > of such things? > The first place to look is the Royal Mail postcode directory (available on-line at <mumble>); this will show if the addresses are still in current use. If not, plan B can be to dig out any street directories (many are held in the Guildhall Library, which I suspect is unfortunately out of your reach) which will often reveal transitions of addresses from names to numbers by checking successive editions starting from the time the address was current. If the addresses are still current, then on on-line resource such as (IIRC) www.streetmaps.co.uk can be used to see their location; for older maps, go to the Ordnance Survey web-site and follow the links to a set of older maps which are available on-line, where as a last resort you can make a visual search for the locations (remembering that these old maps might actually pre-date when the above addresses were built). -- _______ +---------------------------------------------------+ |\\ //| | Charles Ellson: charles@ellson.demon.co.uk | | \\ // | +---------------------------------------------------+ | > < | WARNING: all mail will be bounced from | // \\ | themidden@ellson.demon.co.uk Alba gu brath |//___\\|

In article <3c45cd0e_3@news2.prserv.net>, Graham <graham@NOPSPAMwalter- family.org> writes >I have uncovered some addresses (from birth & wedding certificates) that >refer to house names in a location. Here are a couple: > >Garon Villa >Penrhiwceiber (Wales - 1901) > >and > >14 Walcot Villas >Stratton St Margaret (Wiltshire - 1933) > >Finding the towns/villages hasn't been a problem - find the houses (or where >they may have been) is... > >Does anyone have knowledge of a resource or resources that may keep a record >of such things? > We had a similar problem - every reference to where a relative lived was to "Jesmond Villas" - even newspaper reports referred to him as "of JV". We also knew that his mother used the same address. We knew roughly which area it was in but... could we find the place? No. In the end we used local maps and the 1891 census records and found that the building that he was recorded as being in at that time (when we knew him to be at Jesmond Villas) was actually 148 Alverthorpe Road - no mention there of Jesmond Villas. His mother was the adjacent entry in the census but recorded as 37 Balne Lane (again when we believed her to be at Jesmond Villas). Puzzling until we actually visited the building (which had no name on it nor any sign that it ever did have a name plaque on it) which stood on the corner of the two roads and was actually a row of three houses - two of which seem to have been designated as Alverthorpe Road and the third as Balne Lane! I realise that this is an earlier period than you're looking at but I would think that the Local Record Office might be your best bet. -- Kate Essex, UK Wife to John, Full Time Mother to Christopher (10) and Rebecca (9) "How can it be a large career to tell other people's children about the Rule of Three and a small career to tell one's own children about the universe? G. K. Chesterton

Graham wrote: > > I have uncovered some addresses (from birth & wedding certificates) that > refer to house names in a location. Here are a couple: > > Garon Villa > Penrhiwceiber (Wales - 1901) > > and > > 14 Walcot Villas > Stratton St Margaret (Wiltshire - 1933) > > Finding the towns/villages hasn't been a problem - find the houses (or where > they may have been) is... > > Does anyone have knowledge of a resource or resources that may keep a record > of such things? Are you certain the houses don't still exist? Or that no one at either the local pub or library remembers where they were? A quick phone call to either asking if they can give you directions to (insert name here) may well pay off, if you've a map in hand too. Or, last resort, send a letter to Resident (house name + address); be sure to put your return address on. If the Her Majesty's Mail can't find it, they'll return the letter, saying so. If they CAN -- you don't get the letter back, and now the phone call should DEFINITELY pay dividends. Cheryl

O > >Or, last resort, send a letter to Resident (house name + >address); be sure to put your return address on. If the Her >Majesty's Mail can't find it, they'll return the letter, saying >so. If they CAN -- you don't get the letter back, and now the >phone call should DEFINITELY pay dividends. > >Cheryl or go to the post code web site and see if its listed there --

try posting the address on uk.local.south.wales , there might be someone there who lives in or near the place that can have a look for you --