This is my 1st message on GENMSC-L I have an extensive Crowningshield/Crowninshield tree that goes back to John Kasper Ricter Von Kronenshelt. But I am looking for info on Clifford (b.1769 in MA) and his son Herman (b. 1797) Crowningshield. I would appreciate any info. Thank you ....... Gary Crowningshield