[email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > Joe Makowiec <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: > > > > > was just at a family reunion, meeting some new cousins...or what were > > > they really? > > > I was talking with someone whose grandfather is my father's 1st > > > cousin. We were trying to figure out name for our relationship. any > > > ideas? [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > Joe Makowiec <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: > > > > The easiest way may be to draw a picture: > > > > Gen 1: Common Ancestor(s) > > Gen 2: Sibling 1 Sibling 2 > > Gen 3: His Grandfather Your Father > > Gen 4: His Parent You > > Gen 5: Him > > > > (Since you don't specify gender, his/him in this context represents > > either gender.) > > > > Those in Generation 3 (2 generations removed from the common ancestor) > > are first cousins; in Generation 4 are second cousins; in Generation 5 > > are third cousins... Anybody who is not an even number of generations > > away from the common ancestor is said to be "x times removed" where x > > is the number of 'odd' generations. > > > > In this case, you're second cousins once removed. > > Thanks very much Joe. (He is indeed, mail). Drawing it out helps a > lot. I've always heard this 'x removed' stuff but rarely it made sense > so this totally clears it. Ian [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message regarding message to [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message > > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: > > > > > was just at a family reunion, meeting some new cousins...or what were > > > they really? > > > I was talking with someone whose grandfather is my father's 1st > > > cousin. We were trying to figure out name for our relationship. any > > > ideas? [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) Joe, I thought that terms "once removed" simply means that there is a difference of one generation, "twice removed" for 2 generations and so on...so now I'm confused by what you meant by 'odd' vs. 'even' generations....and for upcoming reunion..is there any nicer way of saying it, besides 'removed'?. "Removeed" sounds so harsh. thanks Mark

On 13 Jan 2004 in soc.genealogy.misc, Mark Mattox wrote: > [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message > news:<[email protected]>... >> Joe Makowiec <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:<[email protected]>... >> > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: >> > >> > > was just at a family reunion, meeting some new cousins...or >> > > what were they really? >> > > I was talking with someone whose grandfather is my father's 1st >> > > cousin. We were trying to figure out name for our relationship. >> > > any ideas? [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message >> > > news:<[email protected]>... Joe >> > > Makowiec <[email protected]> wrote in message >> > > news:<[email protected]>... >> > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: >> > >> > The easiest way may be to draw a picture: >> > >> > Gen 1: Common Ancestor(s) >> > Gen 2: Sibling 1 Sibling 2 >> > Gen 3: His Grandfather Your Father >> > Gen 4: His Parent You >> > Gen 5: Him >> > >> > (Since you don't specify gender, his/him in this context >> > represents either gender.) >> > >> > Those in Generation 3 (2 generations removed from the common >> > ancestor) are first cousins; in Generation 4 are second cousins; >> > in Generation 5 are third cousins... Anybody who is not an even >> > number of generations away from the common ancestor is said to be >> > "x times removed" where x is the number of 'odd' generations. >> > >> > In this case, you're second cousins once removed. >> >> Thanks very much Joe. (He is indeed, mail). Drawing it out helps a >> lot. I've always heard this 'x removed' stuff but rarely it made >> sense so this totally clears it. Ian > > [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message > regarding message to [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message >> > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: >> > >> > > was just at a family reunion, meeting some new cousins...or >> > > what were they really? >> > > I was talking with someone whose grandfather is my father's 1st >> > > cousin. We were trying to figure out name for our relationship. >> > > any ideas? [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) > > Joe, > I thought that terms "once removed" simply means that there is a > difference of one generation, "twice removed" for 2 generations and > so on...so now I'm confused by what you meant by 'odd' vs. 'even' > generations When I say "even" I mean that there are the same number of generations between you, the cousin in question, and your common ancestor(s). So you and your second cousin have the same great-grandparent(s). The "odd" generations are the ones which separate the person in question from his/her ancestor in the same generation as you. So in the case of your second cousin's grandchild, the common ancestor is *your* great- grandparent, but the grandchild's great-great-great grandparent. So you and your second cousin's grandchild are second cousins twice removed. See the chart above, and add Gen 6: His Child > ....and for upcoming reunion..is there any nicer way of > saying it, besides 'removed'?. "Removeed" sounds so harsh. I've never heard of any other way, and don't personally see anything wrong with it. Your Mileage May Vary. By the time you get to about third or fourth cousins, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, anyway. ;-{)> -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe