On 31 Aug 2007 00:03:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.misc: >On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:21:53 +0200, Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: >> >> "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:5jme4qFb7baU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:11:23 -0400, Diana Riggs <rigger@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> The plan is to sell the info to marketing companies. >>> >>> Cite please? > >> I'm a bit puzzled - I thought that the USA census happen in years with a 0 >> on the end, not a 6? Is it more frequent than every 10 years? > >I was kind of hoping the cite would clear up that mystery. Or, more >accurately, highlight the flaws in the claim. What flaws ? The only mistake of the original poster was to forget the name of the country in the post. Canada has indeed a census each 5 years. The one in xxx1 years, i.e. 1991, 2001, is more complete (but the last one had 2 kinds of surveys, one complete and one with a smaller set of questions), and the one in xxx6 years, i.e. 1996, 2006, is less complete. I don't remember about the fine, but I heard about the job for recovery of missing forms, something like they get 90% of answers, then phone to get maybe 98% then pay a visit to reach 99.5% then use the fine as a threat to reach more, and finally apply the fine. I don't know the actual figures. There is a fine. The laws is on the web site http://www.statcan.ca/english/about/statact.htm It says: "Every person who, without lawful excuse, (...) is, for every refusal or neglect, or false answer or deception, guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months or to both." So, not $5000 but $500. There are other fines however. And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries than USA... Denis -- 0 Denis Beauregard - /\/ Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ |\ French in North America before 1721 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ / | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1765 oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginnings to 1765

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:07:28 -0400, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: > On 31 Aug 2007 00:03:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in > soc.genealogy.misc: > >>> "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:5jme4qFb7baU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> Cite please? >>I was kind of hoping the cite would clear up that mystery. Or, more >>accurately, highlight the flaws in the claim. > What flaws ? I don't know, the OP seems to gone silent. Vagueness is certainly one of those flaws. > The only mistake of the original poster was to forget the name of > the country in the post. Canada has indeed a census each 5 years. > The one in xxx1 years, i.e. 1991, 2001, is more complete (but the last > one had 2 kinds of surveys, one complete and one with a smaller > set of questions), and the one in xxx6 years, i.e. 1996, 2006, is > less complete. I don't remember about the fine, but I heard about > the job for recovery of missing forms, something like they get 90% > of answers, then phone to get maybe 98% then pay a visit to reach > 99.5% then use the fine as a threat to reach more, and finally > apply the fine. I don't know the actual figures. Fair enough, now what about the claim that the purpose of a census is to sell data to marketers? > And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries > than USA... What an arrogant response to me for asking someone to explain their unlikely claim.

On 1 Sep 2007 00:08:15 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.misc: >> apply the fine. I don't know the actual figures. > >Fair enough, now what about the claim that the purpose of a census is to >sell data to marketers? Not exactly, but as I said, a good marketer will buy the data needed for the job. So, it is likely that some of the data will be more usable for marketing purposes. Nonetheless, there are census since hundreds of years (there is a census in 1666 for New France), long before the marketers were too powerful. >> And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries >> than USA... > >What an arrogant response to me for asking someone to explain their >unlikely claim. I wrote "dear Americans". I don't think you are many persons ;-) I was answering to the many persons who replied like if USA was the only country of the world. There are 18 posts in that thread. Denis -- 0 Denis Beauregard - /\/ Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ |\ French in North America before 1721 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ / | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1765 oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginnings to 1765

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:18 -0400, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: > On 1 Sep 2007 00:08:15 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in > soc.genealogy.misc: >>Fair enough, now what about the claim that the purpose of a census is to >>sell data to marketers? > Not exactly, but as I said, a good marketer will buy the data needed > for the job. OK, a direct question and answer. Excellent. Please provice a cite to show that the census data in question is _ABLE TO_ be bought for marketing purposes. Now perhaps you will finally see my point.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:07:28 -0400, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: >And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries >than USA... > And the OP didn't cite any country - it could have been Iceland for all we know. Although she did refer to the (erroneous) fine in dollars, rather than euro or kuna or some other currency.

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 06:35:42 GMT, carolea7@comcast.net (Carole Allen) wrote in soc.genealogy.misc: >On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:07:28 -0400, Denis Beauregard ><denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: >>And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries >>than USA... >> >And the OP didn't cite any country - it could have been Iceland for >all we know. Although she did refer to the (erroneous) fine in >dollars, rather than euro or kuna or some other currency. We have 3 informations to locate the country: - a census in 2006 - currency is the $ - there is a fine of $5000 in the census This eliminates United Kingdom and any country not having the $ as currency. As for the $5000 fine, there is a such fine in the Canadian census, even if it is not for not answering to the census. Maybe the OP heard that on TV or radio or read some blog too fast. Denis -- 0 Denis Beauregard - /\/ Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ |\ French in North America before 1721 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ / | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1765 oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginnings to 1765