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Ron, BTW, what is Castle Garden? I'm fairly sure he came into the country via Philadelphia. I can't imagine someone as poor as he was coming into NY and then embarking on a long trip to Philly.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:09:18 GMT, "Doug Corbin" <dbcorbin@swbell.net> wrote: >1880 wasn't when he was naturalized, that's the year he came to the US. It >could have been after the census was taken so 1900 may be the first census >he appears in. Do you know his wife's maiden name? Maybe you can find her in >1880 to know what PA county to search in. Doug, can you elaborate on this? In the 1900 Census he shows as 1880 in the country, 20 years in the country (I forget the headers exactly) and shows as being one of the very few on the page who are Naturalized. His wife's maiden name was Annie Hamilton. Not much of a help there as there seem to be 20 of Annie Hamilton's with every stone's throw. They didn't marry until after both came over (supposedly they met on the same boat).

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:11:42 GMT, Ron Martell <ron.martell@gmail.com> wrote: >For an immigration record try the Castle Garden online records at >http://www.stevemorse.org/ > >A quick check shows a number of records for the Heimlich surname, but >none for Carl/Karl/Charles. Thanks. I've been to that site before looking for ship records. Several family members tell me that Carl/Charles Heimlich and his future wife, Annie (Anna) Hamilton came over on the same boat. That's another item I'd love to prove.

Gerry, thanks for the excellent lead on where to start looking. It's more places that I'd hoped to go and Philadelphia's City Archives is one of the dirtiest, least organized, run-down places I've visited. Much of the microfilm is missing or broken. In many cases they go into the basement and bring up original documents for anyone to handle. I had 1880's birth records in my hands at one point and they'd clearly been heavily handled.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:31:20 GMT, ecunningham <ecunningham@att.net> wrote: >Rich: As Gerry has already told you,NARA shouldn't have your records. >NJ State Archives has some Camden County records. See: >http://www.njarchives.org/links/guides/ccdcp002.html Great, I can stop by Trenton on Thursday. I've been there several times but failed to find anything with regard to Imm/Nat. >Two questions come to mind: 1) when you say he "first shows up" in >1900, do you mean regarding his naturalization? or name in a census? >Where is he in 1880 census? In the 1900 Census, he shows up with the following key info (of course there's no telling how correct it is): It claims he came to the country in 1880, claims he's been in the country 20 years and shows an "N" in the column for Naturalization (most have nothing in that column). He doesn't show up in the 1880 Census at all, not surprisingly. Though perhaps I could get lucky and find in in Philly in 1880. I'll look again. The big issue is the spelling. No one ever gets our name right, especially back then. I've seen it 20 different ways including, Heimlich, Heimlick, Himelick, Hamlick. Hemilick, etc. >2) Do you seek info as to his place of origin from the naturalization? I see ANY information I can find. I'd like verification of his birthdate, date of entry into the country, name of ship he came over on, parents name, place of origin. Anything I can get! He's shrouded in mystery in part due to conflicting census data. While I go into it assuming I'll be disappointed, I have gotten a lot of information on family members from some places I thought I'd get nothing. At this point, getting nothing doesn't hurt. Not knowing is worse.

1880 wasn't when he was naturalized, that's the year he came to the US. It could have been after the census was taken so 1900 may be the first census he appears in. Do you know his wife's maiden name? Maybe you can find her in 1880 to know what PA county to search in. Doug "Rich Heimlich" <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote in message news:tpmol1tasqfsnqrt0ak0a9q0kpl6ds6gtr@4ax.com... > I've been trying to find the immigration/naturalization paperwork for > my great-great grandfather, Carl "Charles" Heimlich. He first shows up > on the 1900 Census and claims that he was naturalized in 1880. > > I've been to NARA in Philadelphia, where he appears to have lived > early on (his first two children were born there) and I've come up > empty. He spent most of his life in Camden, NJ after that and am told > that I need to head to NYC NARA to get that data. > > I'm wondering if I might be missing something. Is that my best course > of action at this point or would there be a better path?

Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote: >I've been trying to find the immigration/naturalization paperwork for >my great-great grandfather, Carl "Charles" Heimlich. He first shows up >on the 1900 Census and claims that he was naturalized in 1880. > >I've been to NARA in Philadelphia, where he appears to have lived >early on (his first two children were born there) and I've come up >empty. He spent most of his life in Camden, NJ after that and am told >that I need to head to NYC NARA to get that data. > >I'm wondering if I might be missing something. Is that my best course >of action at this point or would there be a better path? For an immigration record try the Castle Garden online records at http://www.stevemorse.org/ A quick check shows a number of records for the Heimlich surname, but none for Carl/Karl/Charles. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Rich Heimlich wrote: > > I've been trying to find the immigration/naturalization paperwork for > my great-great grandfather, Carl "Charles" Heimlich. He first shows up > on the 1900 Census and claims that he was naturalized in 1880. > > I've been to NARA in Philadelphia, where he appears to have lived > early on (his first two children were born there) and I've come up > empty. He spent most of his life in Camden, NJ after that and am told > that I need to head to NYC NARA to get that data. Rich: As Gerry has already told you,NARA shouldn't have your records. NJ State Archives has some Camden County records. See: http://www.njarchives.org/links/guides/ccdcp002.html Two questions come to mind: 1) when you say he "first shows up" in 1900, do you mean regarding his naturalization? or name in a census? Where is he in 1880 census? 2) Do you seek info as to his place of origin from the naturalization? If so, you may be disappointed, since early naturalizations usually say "I renounce my allegiance to ----- (King of England & Ireland, Emperor of Prussia, Czar of all the Russias, etc.) ecunningham@att.net

In article <tpmol1tasqfsnqrt0ak0a9q0kpl6ds6gtr@4ax.com>, Rich Heimlich <agrajag@comcast.net> wrote: > I've been trying to find the immigration/naturalization paperwork for > my great-great grandfather, Carl "Charles" Heimlich. He first shows up > on the 1900 Census and claims that he was naturalized in 1880. > > I've been to NARA in Philadelphia, where he appears to have lived > early on (his first two children were born there) and I've come up > empty. He spent most of his life in Camden, NJ after that and am told > that I need to head to NYC NARA to get that data. > > I'm wondering if I might be missing something. Is that my best course > of action at this point or would there be a better path? A person around 1880 did not have to go to a Federal Court to be naturalized, those non-Federal court records would not be found at the NARA. Here is a link to Naturaliztions: Researching Philadelphia Records <http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/Inventor/natz.htm> They list 11 different courts where naturalization records can be found, two of which would have records for 1880. Many courts don't have the original Declaration of Intent papers, only a record of the final Naturalization papers. You may have to also search the New Jersey County, and District courts.

I've been trying to find the immigration/naturalization paperwork for my great-great grandfather, Carl "Charles" Heimlich. He first shows up on the 1900 Census and claims that he was naturalized in 1880. I've been to NARA in Philadelphia, where he appears to have lived early on (his first two children were born there) and I've come up empty. He spent most of his life in Camden, NJ after that and am told that I need to head to NYC NARA to get that data. I'm wondering if I might be missing something. Is that my best course of action at this point or would there be a better path?

I received two old albums from my grandmothers house to use. I have scanned in all photos, then put them in an acid free, corners used (acid free type) album. Now for the ones I didn't know who they were, I set up a page at yahoo.com in the photo area, sent a email to all family that has internet for them to identify them for me. This has worked great, out of 67 photos, I still do not know who 5 of them are. I can now take the new photo album (which is now in 1, and no sticky pages) back to the house and get 2 more, maybe this time they will trust me with more than 2 this time. Thought I would give others an idea that worked for me, Tammy -- Thank you in advance Tammy Brazeau nee Johnson looking for Johanson, Johnson,Matheson, Mathison, Quinn, Trainor LIFE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS YOU MAKE IT!!!

singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in news:gsmdnebbo_f0YMXeRVn-pw@rcn.net: > First things first (g) Sally, are you descended from John Jeremiah > Jacob(s)? > > Then -- back in the 1970s, my GM soaked photos off the black paper; > when I had a hissy-fit, the experts assured me that it was the best > thing to do, glue being water-soluble and the photo-bath itself being > water. And since the writing was either in pencil on the front of the > photo or in white ink beneath the picture ... > > Since then, I have had some minor success with a damp paper towel, and > with an eye-dropper. Patience and the stick-to-itiveness of a dead > mule are required. > > Cheryl If you use water, use distilled water; most tap water contains chlorine as well as many other minerals and trace chemicals. -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html If the opposite of "pro" is "con", then what's the opposite of "progress"?

First things first (g) Sally, are you descended from John Jeremiah Jacob(s)? Then -- back in the 1970s, my GM soaked photos off the black paper; when I had a hissy-fit, the experts assured me that it was the best thing to do, glue being water-soluble and the photo-bath itself being water. And since the writing was either in pencil on the front of the photo or in white ink beneath the picture ... Since then, I have had some minor success with a damp paper towel, and with an eye-dropper. Patience and the stick-to-itiveness of a dead mule are required. Cheryl Sally J. Jacobs wrote: > Jane, > > Unfortunately there aren't any miracle solutions for photos glued into > scrapbooks. Removing the remaining paper with chemical solvents would > cause more damage than leaving it as-is. (A case where the cure is worse > than the disease). And as you have already discovered, scraping off the > remaining paper takes some of the photo with it. You could hire a > professional conservator to remove the paper, but those services do not > come cheap. > > Folks, I can't resist this teaching moment and point out that glue > breaks the "Do Nothing That You Cannot Be Un-Done" rule of preservation. > It's a very important rule. That's why photo corners are a good idea, > and lamination is a terrible idea. > > -Sally > > > > JACOBS ARCHIVAL SERVICES > Sally J. Jacobs, Archivist > Email: sally.j.jacobs@tds.net > Phone: (608) 332-1494 > Web: http://www.jacobsarchival.com > >> I have some old photos of my grandmothers but they have been pulled >> out of >> an old album and the black pages are still attached. She glued them in >> rather than using the corners. Is there any way I can get the backing >> off so >> that I can read the names and dates? On most of them there is just >> enough of >> the backing off that I can make out some of the writing, but not all >> of it. >> I tried gently scraping the backing off but I just scraped the words off >> too. >> Jane in Cooksville (Mississauga) Ontario, Canada >> >> >

Actually, we in the archives world tend to photocopy the items we need to have described and then let people write all over them. It is cheap and very little effort. Miriam

Helen Williams wrote: > In message <c82el1l7pkup1hnnsu1uf9ohql0qt88blk@4ax.com>, John > <look@sig.net> writes > >> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:59:12 GMT, "D. Stussy" >> <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Lesley Robertson wrote: >>> >>>> <littleboyblu87@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht >>>> news:1127878470.835739.253080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>> > I've been asked by my aunt to organize her photos and put them in a >>>> > photo album. She gave me a photo album to use but it's one of those >>>> > sticky ones where the photos stick in as opposed to just sliding >>>> in the >>>> > sleeve. I'm wondering if I should use it or not. I personally don't >>>> > like them as I think they can damage photos. But my aunt wants me to >>>> > use it because it has some special engraving on the cover. Is there a >>>> > way I could put the photos in the album without them getting >>>> damaged in >>>> > the long run? I was thinking of maybe using a sheet of paper on the >>>> > sticky part but I don't know how I would keep the photos from falling >>>> > out. Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Good idea - get old fashioned photo corners. They're still available >>>> from >>>> proper photography shops. >>>> Apart from anything else, the glue on these things eventually gives >>>> up. In >>>> my less wary days, I used several of these albums, and now the >>>> photos fall >>>> out whenever they are disturbed (and they're only 10-20 years old.. >>>> Make >>>> sure the photos are labelled in pencil on their backs before you >>>> mount them, >>>> and if cou can, get them scanned as well. >>> >>> >>> And when you do mount them, LABEL THEM - have a legend on each page. >>> So many >>> people just put the photos in - not realizing that although they may >>> know each >>> person in each photo, the next generation to possess the books may not. >> >> >> And remember to label in detail. I have a picture of my maternal >> grandmother's brother and his future wife - which includes 4 other >> people without names. I'm pretty sure which one is her brother (has >> his father's ears) but no clue about the other people. >> >> > I've just been lent all the photographs left by a cousin, which includes > many that had belonged to her aunt and date back to the 1890's. I would > like to circulate paper copies to the family in such a way that they can > easily name anyone they can identify without writing on the group > "photos" or drawing arrows all over them and so covering something > vital. Then when they are returned to me, I'll collate everything and > distribute a copy with name. > > So far, the only idea I can come up with is to print two copies of each, > and ask people to write on just one. > > I'd be grateful for any suggestions or advice. > > Happy Hunting > > > > > I made a Xerox copy of my GM's photo albums. Just plain old 10c a sheet photo copies of each page of the album. Of course, since she outlived just about everyone, turns out I know more of the names than the rest of the family combined, so you might want to figure your odds from that angle too? Cheryl

Jane, Unfortunately there aren't any miracle solutions for photos glued into scrapbooks. Removing the remaining paper with chemical solvents would cause more damage than leaving it as-is. (A case where the cure is worse than the disease). And as you have already discovered, scraping off the remaining paper takes some of the photo with it. You could hire a professional conservator to remove the paper, but those services do not come cheap. Folks, I can't resist this teaching moment and point out that glue breaks the "Do Nothing That You Cannot Be Un-Done" rule of preservation. It's a very important rule. That's why photo corners are a good idea, and lamination is a terrible idea. -Sally JACOBS ARCHIVAL SERVICES Sally J. Jacobs, Archivist Email: sally.j.jacobs@tds.net Phone: (608) 332-1494 Web: http://www.jacobsarchival.com > I have some old photos of my grandmothers but they have been pulled > out of > an old album and the black pages are still attached. She glued them in > rather than using the corners. Is there any way I can get the backing > off so > that I can read the names and dates? On most of them there is just > enough of > the backing off that I can make out some of the writing, but not all > of it. > I tried gently scraping the backing off but I just scraped the words > off > too. > Jane in Cooksville (Mississauga) Ontario, Canada > >

In message <c82el1l7pkup1hnnsu1uf9ohql0qt88blk@4ax.com>, John <look@sig.net> writes >On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:59:12 GMT, "D. Stussy" ><kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote: > >>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Lesley Robertson wrote: >>> <littleboyblu87@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht >>> news:1127878470.835739.253080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> > I've been asked by my aunt to organize her photos and put them in a >>> > photo album. She gave me a photo album to use but it's one of those >>> > sticky ones where the photos stick in as opposed to just sliding in the >>> > sleeve. I'm wondering if I should use it or not. I personally don't >>> > like them as I think they can damage photos. But my aunt wants me to >>> > use it because it has some special engraving on the cover. Is there a >>> > way I could put the photos in the album without them getting damaged in >>> > the long run? I was thinking of maybe using a sheet of paper on the >>> > sticky part but I don't know how I would keep the photos from falling >>> > out. Any suggestions? >>> >>> Good idea - get old fashioned photo corners. They're still available from >>> proper photography shops. >>> Apart from anything else, the glue on these things eventually gives up. In >>> my less wary days, I used several of these albums, and now the photos fall >>> out whenever they are disturbed (and they're only 10-20 years old.. Make >>> sure the photos are labelled in pencil on their backs before you mount them, >>> and if cou can, get them scanned as well. >> >>And when you do mount them, LABEL THEM - have a legend on each page. So many >>people just put the photos in - not realizing that although they may know each >>person in each photo, the next generation to possess the books may not. > >And remember to label in detail. I have a picture of my maternal >grandmother's brother and his future wife - which includes 4 other >people without names. I'm pretty sure which one is her brother (has >his father's ears) but no clue about the other people. > > I've just been lent all the photographs left by a cousin, which includes many that had belonged to her aunt and date back to the 1890's. I would like to circulate paper copies to the family in such a way that they can easily name anyone they can identify without writing on the group "photos" or drawing arrows all over them and so covering something vital. Then when they are returned to me, I'll collate everything and distribute a copy with name. So far, the only idea I can come up with is to print two copies of each, and ask people to write on just one. I'd be grateful for any suggestions or advice. Happy Hunting -- Helen Williams, W. Sussex, England. Email Helen@nevin.demon.co.uk. Researching Bowle, Bowle-Evans, Cole: UK & India. McGillivray, Forgie, Beattie: Scotland & Ontario. Nevin & Hockliffe: UK.

I have some old photos of my grandmothers but they have been pulled out of an old album and the black pages are still attached. She glued them in rather than using the corners. Is there any way I can get the backing off so that I can read the names and dates? On most of them there is just enough of the backing off that I can make out some of the writing, but not all of it. I tried gently scraping the backing off but I just scraped the words off too. Jane in Cooksville (Mississauga) Ontario, Canada

Helen Williams <Helen@nevin.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:b7jhedXFqAWDFwHI@nevin.demon.co.uk: > In message <c82el1l7pkup1hnnsu1uf9ohql0qt88blk@4ax.com>, John > <look@sig.net> writes >>On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:59:12 GMT, "D. Stussy" >><kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Lesley Robertson wrote: >>>> <littleboyblu87@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht >>>> news:1127878470.835739.253080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>> > I've been asked by my aunt to organize her photos and put them in >>>> > a photo album. She gave me a photo album to use but it's one of >>>> > those sticky ones where the photos stick in as opposed to just >>>> > sliding in the sleeve. I'm wondering if I should use it or not. I >>>> > personally don't like them as I think they can damage photos. But >>>> > my aunt wants me to use it because it has some special engraving >>>> > on the cover. Is there a way I could put the photos in the album >>>> > without them getting damaged in the long run? I was thinking of >>>> > maybe using a sheet of paper on the sticky part but I don't know >>>> > how I would keep the photos from falling out. Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Good idea - get old fashioned photo corners. They're still >>>> available from proper photography shops. >>>> Apart from anything else, the glue on these things eventually gives >>>> up. In my less wary days, I used several of these albums, and now >>>> the photos fall out whenever they are disturbed (and they're only >>>> 10-20 years old.. Make sure the photos are labelled in pencil on >>>> their backs before you mount them, and if cou can, get them scanned >>>> as well. >>> >>>And when you do mount them, LABEL THEM - have a legend on each page. >>>So many people just put the photos in - not realizing that although >>>they may know each person in each photo, the next generation to >>>possess the books may not. >> >>And remember to label in detail. I have a picture of my maternal >>grandmother's brother and his future wife - which includes 4 other >>people without names. I'm pretty sure which one is her brother (has >>his father's ears) but no clue about the other people. >> >> > I've just been lent all the photographs left by a cousin, which > includes many that had belonged to her aunt and date back to the > 1890's. I would like to circulate paper copies to the family in such a > way that they can easily name anyone they can identify without writing > on the group "photos" or drawing arrows all over them and so covering > something vital. Then when they are returned to me, I'll collate > everything and distribute a copy with name. > > So far, the only idea I can come up with is to print two copies of > each, and ask people to write on just one. > > I'd be grateful for any suggestions or advice. > Use Photo Shop or other editing program to create an image with all the figures numbered, so your relatives can make notes as above. Here's the final version of such a photograph, where hames have replaced the numbers: http://home.comcast.net/%7Exjahn/genealogy/Felten.html -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html Bonzo the Demon Dog from Hell with Handlebars for Ears.