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On Feb 11, 11:14 pm, Gerry <every...@sunrise.net> wrote: > In article <1171252215.669298.23...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, > > "Jan" <c3derp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is all I have to go on: > > > Name: PENNY PORTWOOD > > DOB: 20 Jan 1954 > > Died: Jul 1985 > > Last residence: N. Hollywood, CA > > SSN: 276-54-9424 > > SSN Issued in: Ohio > > > Thanks so much for a clue on how to get started. Google was no help at > > all. > > > Jan > > I searched the California Death Index and did not find any record of > Penny Portwood's death, so likely she died somewhere other than > California. > > I searched for all female Portwoods who were born in 1954 and died in > 1985 no one was found. I even tried all females born in 1954 Ohio (my > guess on birthplace due to state where SS number was issued), and died > in 1985 in case she died under another surname, nothing found here > either. > > If you do know where she died you can write to the county clerk where > the death occurred, and request a copy of the death certificate, you may > want to check to see how much that county charges for their copies. Thanks Gerry. It is possible I suppose that she moved. The SSDI did not list her place of death, I added my last known address from memory. It is curious Zabasearch shows a Penny S Portwood still in North Hollywood, but I don't trust Zaba because Anywho does not have any record of her being in North Hollywood. Zaba connects to a place where you can pay money for more info so I sent them an email telling them the info I already have and I have not heard back from them. Thanks for your ideas. Maybe I can get a newspaper librarian to run a check for me if their records are computerized that far back. I do believe I remember Sue was her middle name. I also remember she hung out with young Malibu celeb/actor types when she first got to California. She said Kathy Cronkite was among the bunch. I looked for contact info on Kathy Cronkite and note she quit acting in 1985, the same year Penny died. Kathy went through a period of depression, wrote a book about it, and is now on the mental health lecture circuit. She probably wouldn't write me even if I found her email address but I am going to try to track her down. Maybe she and Penny stayed friends for some time. Maybe Penny's young death contributed to her depression. Just idle speculation but thats all I have to go on. I do remember Penny said her father lived in Ohio but I don't know his name. Thank you for your help. I appreciate your ideas and your efforts very much. Jan

This is all I have to go on: Name: PENNY PORTWOOD DOB: 20 Jan 1954 Died: Jul 1985 Last residence: N. Hollywood, CA SSN: 276-54-9424 SSN Issued in: Ohio Thanks so much for a clue on how to get started. Google was no help at all. Jan

Steve Hayes wrote: > A couple of days ago my server regurgitated a lot of spam going way back, so > that there were about 20 spam messages in some not very active newsgroups. > > Since then a lot of newsgroups have become inaccessible -- I've seen nothing > in soc.genealogy.britian, for example, but I still see messages in > alt.genealogy. > > If anyone is reading this in soc.genealogy.britain, please let me know -- I > should be able to read the reply in alt.genealogy, if not in SGB. > > There have been quite a few messages in sgb - about the usual number, I would say. Must be your server. Check Google groups to see what you've missed. -- Anne Chambers, South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:05:37 +1030, Anne Chambers <anne@privacy.net> wrote: >Steve Hayes wrote: > >> A couple of days ago my server regurgitated a lot of spam going way back, so >> that there were about 20 spam messages in some not very active newsgroups. >> >> Since then a lot of newsgroups have become inaccessible -- I've seen nothing >> in soc.genealogy.britian, for example, but I still see messages in >> alt.genealogy. >> >> If anyone is reading this in soc.genealogy.britain, please let me know -- I >> should be able to read the reply in alt.genealogy, if not in SGB. >> >> >There have been quite a few messages in sgb - about the usual number, I >would say. Must be your server. Check Google groups to see what you've >missed. Thanks -- I'll try unsubscribing and resubscribing. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work) Web: http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

ok. thank you for your explication. regards arnold "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5344pfF1ql6v1U1@mid.individual.net... > cutting sheet metal we have a kind of scissors called a "tin snips" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_snips > > and a tailor calls his biggest scissors shears > > and uses pinking shears to trim edges of the cloth > > http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=%22pinking+shears > Pinking shears are scissors, the blades of which are sawtoothed instead of > straight. Pinking shears leave a zigzag pattern instead of a straight > edge. > > > > Hugh W > > > Arnold O.Kn. wrote: >> Yes you are right. >> We think, The first people with the surname "Knipscheer" were tailers or >> something like that. And in the outside front of their shops they used a >> scissor as sign-board. So (in Dutch) a "Knipschaar" or "Schaar" >> But because they were living in Brabant, people in Brabant has the >> dialect tongue to say "scheer" if they mean "schaar". >> regards, arnold >> >> "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:52rcl3F1o7siaU1@mid.individual.net... >> >>>I read dutch as danish with spelling mistakes >>>both closely related to platdeutsch >>> >>>from 1600 to 1800 a patronmym means a surname in this context >>> >>> >>>then is it a dialect spelling in Brabant? >>> Knipschaar >>> >>>schaar tongs, scissors >>>http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html >>> >>> >>>shears in english used for cutting wool from sheep >>>and traditionally made in one piece >>>also seen in viking archeology to hang from a womans belt with her keys >>>as a staus symbol of the mistress of the house >>> >>>and small sheer making is a traditional craft in Japan too >>> >>>or later big scissors used by tailors or trimming grass and hedges >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shears >>>or as a pictionary >>>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=shears&btnG=Search+Images >>>http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=schaar&btnG=Search >>> >>> >>> >>>knips >>>snap shot, a small glassor bole of potent scnapps, or tongs or pliers >>> >>> >>>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shears >>> >>> 1. German and Dutch: metonymic occupational name for a maker of shears >>> and scissors, or a metonymic occupational name for a cutter (of cloth, >>> hair, etc.), from Middle High German schere, Middle Dutch sc(h)erre >>> ‘shears’. >>> 2. Jewish: variant of Scher. >>>German, Dutch, and Jewish (Ashkenazic): from Middle High German schere, >>>Middle Low German schere, Middle Dutch sceere, Yiddish sher ‘scissors’, >>>‘shears’, hence a metonymic occupational name for a maker of scissors or >>>shears, or for a barber, cloth cutter or possibly a sheep shearer. >>> >>>Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN >>>0-19-508137-4 >>> >>>but >>>shear >>>English: nickname for a beautiful or radiant person, or one with fair >>>hair, from Middle English scher, schir ‘bright’, ‘fair’. >>>http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/default.aspx >>> >>>kleermaker tailor clothier ? >>> >>>=================== >>> >>>Morbidity and Mortality According to Occupation >>>Jacques Bertillion >>>Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, Vol. 55, No. 4 (Dec., 1892), >>>pp. 559-600 >>>doi:10.2307/2979582 >>> >>>cutler, scissors maker >>> >>> >>>time to go shoppinng in LIDL for cheap fish >>> >>>Hugh W >>> >>> >>>Arnold O.Kn. wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The answers to the question: "What does the name means as word" is >>>>completely wroten on: >>>>http://home.planet.nl/~frede313/20herkomst_naam.htm >>>>My sorry for the fact that it's only in the Dutch language. >>>>arnold >>>> >>>>"Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:52ms5qF1o9d6eU2@mid.individual.net... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Arnold O.Kn. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The Knipscheer Family Website. >>>>>>The address (url) of this website is: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313 >>>>>>The website contents a lot of pages, including genealogical. >>>>>>Take a look and find your Dutch or German ancestors >>>>>>Regards >>>>>>Arnold >>>>> >>>>>you could call it "the KNIPSCHEER one-name study" if you collect all >>>>>instances of the name including non family members >>>>> >>>>>what does the name means as a word? >>>>> >>>>>Hugh W > > -- > > a wonderful artist in Denmark > http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ > > Beta blogger > http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks > > old blogger GENEALOGE > http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

cutting sheet metal we have a kind of scissors called a "tin snips" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_snips and a tailor calls his biggest scissors shears and uses pinking shears to trim edges of the cloth http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=%22pinking+shears Pinking shears are scissors, the blades of which are sawtoothed instead of straight. Pinking shears leave a zigzag pattern instead of a straight edge. Hugh W Arnold O.Kn. wrote: > Yes you are right. > We think, The first people with the surname "Knipscheer" were tailers or > something like that. And in the outside front of their shops they used a > scissor as sign-board. So (in Dutch) a "Knipschaar" or "Schaar" > But because they were living in Brabant, people in Brabant has the dialect > tongue to say "scheer" if they mean "schaar". > regards, arnold > > "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:52rcl3F1o7siaU1@mid.individual.net... > >>I read dutch as danish with spelling mistakes >>both closely related to platdeutsch >> >>from 1600 to 1800 a patronmym means a surname in this context >> >> >>then is it a dialect spelling in Brabant? >> Knipschaar >> >>schaar tongs, scissors >>http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html >> >> >>shears in english used for cutting wool from sheep >>and traditionally made in one piece >>also seen in viking archeology to hang from a womans belt with her keys as >>a staus symbol of the mistress of the house >> >>and small sheer making is a traditional craft in Japan too >> >>or later big scissors used by tailors or trimming grass and hedges >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shears >>or as a pictionary >>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=shears&btnG=Search+Images >>http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=schaar&btnG=Search >> >> >> >>knips >>snap shot, a small glassor bole of potent scnapps, or tongs or pliers >> >> >>see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shears >> >> 1. German and Dutch: metonymic occupational name for a maker of shears >>and scissors, or a metonymic occupational name for a cutter (of cloth, >>hair, etc.), from Middle High German schere, Middle Dutch sc(h)erre >>‘shears’. >> 2. Jewish: variant of Scher. >>German, Dutch, and Jewish (Ashkenazic): from Middle High German schere, >>Middle Low German schere, Middle Dutch sceere, Yiddish sher ‘scissors’, >>‘shears’, hence a metonymic occupational name for a maker of scissors or >>shears, or for a barber, cloth cutter or possibly a sheep shearer. >> >>Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN >>0-19-508137-4 >> >>but >>shear >>English: nickname for a beautiful or radiant person, or one with fair >>hair, from Middle English scher, schir ‘bright’, ‘fair’. >>http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/default.aspx >> >>kleermaker tailor clothier ? >> >>=================== >> >>Morbidity and Mortality According to Occupation >>Jacques Bertillion >>Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, Vol. 55, No. 4 (Dec., 1892), pp. >>559-600 >>doi:10.2307/2979582 >> >>cutler, scissors maker >> >> >>time to go shoppinng in LIDL for cheap fish >> >>Hugh W >> >> >>Arnold O.Kn. wrote: >> >> >>>The answers to the question: "What does the name means as word" is >>>completely wroten on: >>>http://home.planet.nl/~frede313/20herkomst_naam.htm >>>My sorry for the fact that it's only in the Dutch language. >>>arnold >>> >>>"Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:52ms5qF1o9d6eU2@mid.individual.net... >>> >>> >>>>Arnold O.Kn. wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>The Knipscheer Family Website. >>>>>The address (url) of this website is: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313 >>>>>The website contents a lot of pages, including genealogical. >>>>>Take a look and find your Dutch or German ancestors >>>>>Regards >>>>>Arnold >>>> >>>>you could call it "the KNIPSCHEER one-name study" if you collect all >>>>instances of the name including non family members >>>> >>>>what does the name means as a word? >>>> >>>>Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Yes you are right. We think, The first people with the surname "Knipscheer" were tailers or something like that. And in the outside front of their shops they used a scissor as sign-board. So (in Dutch) a "Knipschaar" or "Schaar" But because they were living in Brabant, people in Brabant has the dialect tongue to say "scheer" if they mean "schaar". regards, arnold "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message news:52rcl3F1o7siaU1@mid.individual.net... >I read dutch as danish with spelling mistakes > both closely related to platdeutsch > > from 1600 to 1800 a patronmym means a surname in this context > > > then is it a dialect spelling in Brabant? > Knipschaar > > schaar tongs, scissors > http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html > > > shears in english used for cutting wool from sheep > and traditionally made in one piece > also seen in viking archeology to hang from a womans belt with her keys as > a staus symbol of the mistress of the house > > and small sheer making is a traditional craft in Japan too > > or later big scissors used by tailors or trimming grass and hedges > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shears > or as a pictionary > http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=shears&btnG=Search+Images > http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=schaar&btnG=Search > > > > knips > snap shot, a small glassor bole of potent scnapps, or tongs or pliers > > > see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shears > > 1. German and Dutch: metonymic occupational name for a maker of shears > and scissors, or a metonymic occupational name for a cutter (of cloth, > hair, etc.), from Middle High German schere, Middle Dutch sc(h)erre > ‘shears’. > 2. Jewish: variant of Scher. > German, Dutch, and Jewish (Ashkenazic): from Middle High German schere, > Middle Low German schere, Middle Dutch sceere, Yiddish sher ‘scissors’, > ‘shears’, hence a metonymic occupational name for a maker of scissors or > shears, or for a barber, cloth cutter or possibly a sheep shearer. > > Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN > 0-19-508137-4 > > but > shear > English: nickname for a beautiful or radiant person, or one with fair > hair, from Middle English scher, schir ‘bright’, ‘fair’. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/default.aspx > > kleermaker tailor clothier ? > > =================== > > Morbidity and Mortality According to Occupation > Jacques Bertillion > Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, Vol. 55, No. 4 (Dec., 1892), pp. > 559-600 > doi:10.2307/2979582 > > cutler, scissors maker > > > time to go shoppinng in LIDL for cheap fish > > Hugh W > > > Arnold O.Kn. wrote: > >> The answers to the question: "What does the name means as word" is >> completely wroten on: >> http://home.planet.nl/~frede313/20herkomst_naam.htm >> My sorry for the fact that it's only in the Dutch language. >> arnold >> >> "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:52ms5qF1o9d6eU2@mid.individual.net... >> >>>Arnold O.Kn. wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The Knipscheer Family Website. >>>>The address (url) of this website is: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313 >>>>The website contents a lot of pages, including genealogical. >>>>Take a look and find your Dutch or German ancestors >>>>Regards >>>>Arnold >>> >>>you could call it "the KNIPSCHEER one-name study" if you collect all >>>instances of the name including non family members >>> >>>what does the name means as a word? >>> >>>Hugh W >>> >>>-- >>> >>>a wonderful artist in Denmark >>>http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ >>> >>>Beta blogger >>>http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks >>> >>>old blogger GENEALOGE >>>http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > a wonderful artist in Denmark > http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ > > Beta blogger > http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks > > old blogger GENEALOGE > http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

On Jan 14, 1:28 pm, jdp...@yahoo.com wrote: > DiPietrantonio / Abruzzo - USA Info! > > http://jednet207.tripod.com/DiPietrantonio.html > > Lettomanoppello anyone? > > I Nice work there! I'm also looking into my Italian ancestors. Haven't been able to go back as far as you have though! -- Phil D'Antona

Hi, Besides FamilySearch.org, what other resources have you tried? I might be able to alert to some new ones, but I don't want to rehash stuff you've already looked into. -- Phil D'Antona On Jan 20, 5:09 am, "buckwheat" <sunduster2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi! I'm new to this group! > > I'm looking for my grandfather. His name was Walter Scott [no middle > name ever recorded although it may have been Charles...] & his birth > date was 1880 [give or take one year]. > > He had a brother named John Scott & I believe his father's name was > also John Scott who possibly emigrated from Scotland. > > Walter immigrated to Canada approximately around the late 1880's to > early 1900's. > > Walter married Henrietta McGaw in Canada [date unknown] & they lived > mainly in Calgary & High River, Alberta where they raised 7 children: > Allen Scott; Ralph Scott [R.A.F.W.W.II]; Grace Scott; Mary Agnes Scott; > Alexander Scott [R.A.F.W.W.II] & Henrietta Scott [who were twins] & > Dorothy Scott. > > Ralph Scott visited his Uncle John Scott & relatives in Hartlepool on a > leave during W.W.II [probably near the end of the war....] so I know > there must be cousins out there somewhere! > > I've been researching using "FamilySearch.org" & other various sites as > well as searching censuses. I have found a few close ones & possibly > the right one, but I'd like to be as sure so that I can contact any > cousins still living. > > Any leads or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Esto es una prueba para este grupo en español "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> escribió en el mensaje news:4p9doaFh6higU2@individual.net... > in FTM select each child in turn > > menu >> people >> other parents > > drop down menus to link each child correctly > > if achild is not in a family view > > use the people menu to correct the relationsship mistake and add a child > > > Hugh W > > > Dora Smith wrote: > >> Verminator: >> >> I downloaded and installed the trail version >> >> I've got it handling hte irregular dates, and printing all the spouses, >> but how do you get it to print all the children? For my mother in law's >> grandfather it lists both spouses but the children of only one spouse. >> > > > -- > > new phone = new daily blog > http://upsrev622.blogspot.com/ > > family history > http://hughw36.blogspot.com >

If you are a newcomer to South African genealogy, you may have a lot of questions. Here are some answers to some of the most frequently asked questions: WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO BEGIN? If you're asking this on the Internet, presumably you have access to a web browser, and one of the best places to begin with South African genealogy is right here: http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/ WHERE CAN I FIND SOUTH AFRICAN CENSUS RECORDS? The short answer is: You can't. South African census returns are routinely destroyed after statistical information has been abstracted, so South African genealogists don't use them. WHAT DO SOUTH AFRICAN GENEALOGISTS USE THEN? One of the best places to begin is the records of deceased estates. These usually have a Death Notice, which should (but sometimes doesn't) give you the names of the parents, spouse and children of the deceased, or if the deceased was unmarried, the names of brothers and sisters. They have the wills, if any (except in the Cape, where wills and estate accounts have been filed separately from death notices in the older estates), and the estate accounts. The older ones are in the archives and have computer indexes, and you can search the indexes on the web here: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm but be sure to read the introduction and explanatory text before searching. WHERE CAN I FIND SOUTH AFRICAN SHIPPING LISTS? First, they are not a good place to start looking. They are incomplete, and all over the place. If you want to know if some relative went to South Africa and died here, look in the deceased estates, not the shipping lists. In most cases, shipping lists are a last resort, or a means of providing "filler" information to round out the family history. Secondly, if you do want to try shipping lists, you need to know where your ancestor came from, and roughly when. If the answer is Germany 1859, the shipping lists have been published (Werner Schmidt-Pretoria, _Deutsche Auswanderung nach Sued-Afrika im 19 Jahrhundert_). Some other shipping lists have also been published, but they are fragmentary. If you are looking for ancestors who emigrated to Southern Africa in the period 1890-1925, one possible source is _South Africa_ magazine. This was published in London. The Johannesburg Public Library and the National Library in Tshwane have incomplete runs. You could try other libraries too. They published lists of passengers embarking at British ports for South Africa, and embarking at South African ports for the UK (and sometimes other places). _South Africa_ magazine is a useful source, if you can find it, as it also has birth, marriage and death announcements, and other personal news, usually of the richer members of society. Some passenger lists and other useful stuff are available at: http://www.genealogyworld.net/ WHERE CAN I FIND WILLS OR PROBATE RECORDS? With the deceased estates. See: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm I did a search on the archives: what do the funny things like DEPOT and VOLUME mean? See the warning above: Be sure to read the introduction and explanatory text before searching. If you didn't, go here now: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/fields.htm HOW DO I GET A BIRTH CERTIFICATE? With some difficulty. First, to apply for one, you need to know the information you probably want to get from the certificate. That's Catch 22. Catches 1-21 are almost as bad. Birth cer- tificates are expensive. They take a long time to get. The indexes are not open to the public so you can't ask someone else to look them up. For more information, and applications forms, see: http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/ The good news is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS, Mormons) has microfilmed some of the registers, so that if you want the information in the register, as opposed to an official certificate, you can try there. If you want to know what the LDS has, go to their web site: http:// www.familysearch.com or http://www.familysearch.org , Click on LIBRARY, click on FAMILY LIBRARY HISTORY CATALOGUE, click on PLACE NAME enter South Africa Click on Civil Registration Click on HERE right at the bottom so you have a printable copy. HOW DO I GET A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE? Marriage certificates are of little use to genealogists in South Africa. They do not give the names and occupations of parents. They are as difficult to get as birth certificates. For more information on getting marriage certificates see: http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/ Your best chance of seeing a marriage certificate, however, is if the couple got divorced, and you find a copy in the divorce records. SOME divorce records are in the archives, and you can find them here: http://www.national.archives.gov.za/naairs_content.htm The archival references to divorces will sometimes speak of "illiquid cases" or "opposed applications", and sometimes there will be both. Make sure you order the right ones. They can be quite useful. Sometimes you can really get the dirt on your ancestors from these things - private detectives' reports on how many times they committed adultery, where and with whom, for example. Also, names and ages of minor children and who got the custody. If you still want a marriage certificate (or birth certificate), you need to apply to the Department of Home Affairs, Private Bag X114, Pretoria, 0001. Before they can issue a certificate, they usually want to know the kind of information you probably hope to get from the certificate. Marriages were registered nationally from 1923 to 1976, and after 1994. Between 1976 and 1994 some "homeland" marriages may have been registered separately. Before 1923 registrations were in the different provinces, and before 1910 in the different colonies. Before 1902 it was in the different republics and colonies. You still apply to the same place, but bear in mind that older registers are kept in the archives, and for a certificate to be written they have to be transferred from the archives to the Department of Home Affairs and then returned. This can take a long time. Also check the information above under "Birth Certificates" on how to find out if any of the marriage registers have been filemed by the LDS Church. Before about 1895 in many places marriages were only recorded in church registers. The situation is a lot more complex than described above, and the complexities are things you can ask about on the list, but the general description should give you some idea of the kind of questions that might be worth asking. WHERE CAN I FIND CHURCH RECORDS? With difficulty. There are well over 8000 separate religious denominations in South Africa, and many people change denominations 3 or more times during their lives. People move to a new town, and join a new denomination or religion, or become agnostics or atheists. The records of these denominations are all over the place too. Some of the older and larger denominations have centralised their records, but most have not. They are kept in local churches and can be damaged or destroyed by damp, acid paper or ink, insects, mice, fire or flood, or simply being tossed out in an over-zealous clean-up. Some of the smaller denominations keep very poor records. Forged marriage cer- tificates are common, especially in rural areas. If you know what denomination your ancestors were, and where they were living, when children were born or they were married, you can ask some specific questions on the SA Genealogy list like "Where are the Wesleyan Methodist Registers for Colesberg in the period 1860- 1880?" But general requests for look ups in church registers without mentioning a particular denomination, time and place are unlikely to get a useful response. WHERE CAN I FIND MILITARY RECORDS? Department of Defence DOCUMENTATION CENTRE Private Bag X289 Pretoria 0001 South Africa Tel 012-322-6350 ext 227 Fax 012-323-5613 The more info you can give the faster they can find details. They have a card index for military personnel who served in WWI and WWII. These give the service number, which can be used to find fuller service records. WHERE CAN I LOOK UP THE PHONE NUMBERS OF LIVING RELATIVES? Turn your web browser to: http://196.15.219.249/ it's the on-line phone book. WHAT IF MY FAMILY WERE IN OTHER PARTS OF AFRICA? Try asking on the African Genealogy mailing list -- see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/ WHAT SHOULD I DO NEXT? Go to: http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/sagen.htm and follow the links! -- This FAQ file is maintained by: Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm E-mail: hayesstw@gmail.com Last Updated: 18 November 2006 Suggestions for additions or improvements are welcome.

I read dutch as danish with spelling mistakes both closely related to platdeutsch from 1600 to 1800 a patronmym means a surname in this context then is it a dialect spelling in Brabant? Knipschaar schaar tongs, scissors http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html shears in english used for cutting wool from sheep and traditionally made in one piece also seen in viking archeology to hang from a womans belt with her keys as a staus symbol of the mistress of the house and small sheer making is a traditional craft in Japan too or later big scissors used by tailors or trimming grass and hedges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shears or as a pictionary http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=shears&btnG=Search+Images http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=schaar&btnG=Search knips snap shot, a small glassor bole of potent scnapps, or tongs or pliers see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shears 1. German and Dutch: metonymic occupational name for a maker of shears and scissors, or a metonymic occupational name for a cutter (of cloth, hair, etc.), from Middle High German schere, Middle Dutch sc(h)erre ‘shears’. 2. Jewish: variant of Scher. German, Dutch, and Jewish (Ashkenazic): from Middle High German schere, Middle Low German schere, Middle Dutch sceere, Yiddish sher ‘scissors’, ‘shears’, hence a metonymic occupational name for a maker of scissors or shears, or for a barber, cloth cutter or possibly a sheep shearer. Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-508137-4 but shear English: nickname for a beautiful or radiant person, or one with fair hair, from Middle English scher, schir ‘bright’, ‘fair’. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/default.aspx kleermaker tailor clothier ? =================== Morbidity and Mortality According to Occupation Jacques Bertillion Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, Vol. 55, No. 4 (Dec., 1892), pp. 559-600 doi:10.2307/2979582 cutler, scissors maker time to go shoppinng in LIDL for cheap fish Hugh W Arnold O.Kn. wrote: > The answers to the question: "What does the name means as word" is > completely wroten on: > http://home.planet.nl/~frede313/20herkomst_naam.htm > My sorry for the fact that it's only in the Dutch language. > arnold > > "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:52ms5qF1o9d6eU2@mid.individual.net... > >>Arnold O.Kn. wrote: >> >> >>>The Knipscheer Family Website. >>>The address (url) of this website is: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313 >>>The website contents a lot of pages, including genealogical. >>>Take a look and find your Dutch or German ancestors >>>Regards >>>Arnold >> >>you could call it "the KNIPSCHEER one-name study" if you collect all >>instances of the name including non family members >> >>what does the name means as a word? >> >>Hugh W >> >>-- >> >>a wonderful artist in Denmark >>http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ >> >>Beta blogger >>http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks >> >>old blogger GENEALOGE >>http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG > > > > -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

The answers to the question: "What does the name means as word" is completely wroten on: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313/20herkomst_naam.htm My sorry for the fact that it's only in the Dutch language. arnold "Hugh Watkins" <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in message news:52ms5qF1o9d6eU2@mid.individual.net... > Arnold O.Kn. wrote: > >> The Knipscheer Family Website. >> The address (url) of this website is: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313 >> The website contents a lot of pages, including genealogical. >> Take a look and find your Dutch or German ancestors >> Regards >> Arnold > > you could call it "the KNIPSCHEER one-name study" if you collect all > instances of the name including non family members > > what does the name means as a word? > > Hugh W > > -- > > a wonderful artist in Denmark > http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ > > Beta blogger > http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks > > old blogger GENEALOGE > http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Arnold O.Kn. wrote: > The Knipscheer Family Website. > The address (url) of this website is: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313 > The website contents a lot of pages, including genealogical. > Take a look and find your Dutch or German ancestors > Regards > Arnold you could call it "the KNIPSCHEER one-name study" if you collect all instances of the name including non family members what does the name means as a word? Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

The Knipscheer Family Website. The address (url) of this website is: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313 The website contents a lot of pages, including genealogical. Take a look and find your Dutch or German ancestors Regards Arnold

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The Knipscheer Family Website. The address (url) of this website is: http://home.planet.nl/~frede313 The website contents a lot of pages, including genealogical. Regards Arnold

buckwheat wrote: > Hi! I'm new to this group! > > I'm looking for my grandfather. His name was Walter Scott [no middle > name ever recorded although it may have been Charles...] & his birth > date was 1880 [give or take one year]. > > He had a brother named John Scott & I believe his father's name was > also John Scott who possibly emigrated from Scotland. > > Walter immigrated to Canada approximately around the late 1880's to > early 1900's. > > Walter married Henrietta McGaw in Canada [date unknown] & they lived > mainly in Calgary & High River, Alberta where they raised 7 children: > Allen Scott; Ralph Scott [R.A.F.W.W.II]; Grace Scott; Mary Agnes Scott; > Alexander Scott [R.A.F.W.W.II] & Henrietta Scott [who were twins] & > Dorothy Scott. > > Ralph Scott visited his Uncle John Scott & relatives in Hartlepool on a > leave during W.W.II [probably near the end of the war....] so I know > there must be cousins out there somewhere! > > I've been researching using "FamilySearch.org" & other various sites as > well as searching censuses. I have found a few close ones & possibly > the right one, but I'd like to be as sure so that I can contact any > cousins still living. > > Any leads or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > This is probably better posted at the newsgroup soc.genealogy.britain or at any of several Rootsweb.com message boards (e.g. message boards for the Scott surname, for Durham county, etc). Were you able to find your grandfather on the 1881 UK Census or the 1901 Canada Census? The former would give his birthplace and some information on his parents' names and birthplaces. The later would give his birth date and year of immigration to Canada. Were you able to find your great-uncle John in the 1901 UK Census? Have you been able to find him using Ancestry.co.uk? Have you enough info to check the General Records Office for John's birth? Useful links can be found at http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/links.htm#bmd. Jim M'Gregor, Winnipeg, MB