In article <1184689853.767732.28500@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "the_verminator@comcast.net" <the_verminator@comcast.net> writes: > On Jul 17, 12:34 am, Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote: >> Here is the problem: GEDCOM has become the de facto standard for family >> history and geneology data. And the problem with that is that the Mormons >> own GEDCOM and thus it is rife with built-in religious limitations. >> >> As you might expect, GEDCOM does not allow you to enter a family created by >> same-sex marriage or civil unions even where they are lawful. But there are >> other limitations. For example, in GEDCOM 5.xx, an adopted child does not >> belong to his family. When he looks up his family in a GEDCOM-compliant >> file, he is not there. How needlessly hurtful is that? >> >> If a guy marries his 14-year-old cousin as his fifth wife, GEDCOM has no >> problem dealing with that kind of family. But it cannot handle the Brady >> Bunch. >> >> Now I suppose you could defend GEDCOM by saying it is supposed to record >> only genetic --- that is, biological --- relationships. And of course, >> there are important scientific and especially medical uses for that kind of >> information. But it is not really true that GEDCOM records biological >> relationships. It presumes that the husband of a woman who bears a child is >> the father of the child, and we know since there is now DNA testing that >> assumption is untrue in a significant portion of cases. >> >> Which brings me to my point. I'd like to develop a family history system >> that is as compatible with GEDCOM as possible (since it is, as I have said, >> the de facto standard with tons of software applications), but with >> extensions to handle many diverse kinds of families that exist both in >> modern America and in many traditional cultures. >> >> So, I would be grateful for any pointers to existing software that handles >> all families or suggestions for extensions. >> >> -- >> Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> >> Countdown: 553 days to go. >> Owing to massive spam from googlegroups, I do not see most posts from there. > > Check out The Master Genealogist. > > As an aside you should note that any program that depends on GEDCOM > for anything other basic BMD info will have serious shortcomings > depending on how the exporting and importing software follow the > GEDCOM "standard" - which, imho, should be scrapped in its entirety. > > Out of curiosity, what would you suggest replace the gedcom "standard"? Is the problem so much with the standard or with the programs that implement it? As Micro$oft and Oracle have amply proved, a standard exists as a standard only so long as the players consider themselves bound by it; once the standard is breached it becomes meaningless. Bob Melson -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- "People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

No. "khunter" <im@myhouse.com> wrote in message news:MPG.21009f65deb38148989684@news.ind.sbcglobal.net... > Hi all; > > I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law gave > me a box full of > data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee the app to read them or is > there a 3rd party > reader out there? > > TIA for your help > Keith

On Jul 17, 12:34 am, Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote: > Here is the problem: GEDCOM has become the de facto standard for family > history and geneology data. And the problem with that is that the Mormons > own GEDCOM and thus it is rife with built-in religious limitations. > > As you might expect, GEDCOM does not allow you to enter a family created by > same-sex marriage or civil unions even where they are lawful. But there are > other limitations. For example, in GEDCOM 5.xx, an adopted child does not > belong to his family. When he looks up his family in a GEDCOM-compliant > file, he is not there. How needlessly hurtful is that? > > If a guy marries his 14-year-old cousin as his fifth wife, GEDCOM has no > problem dealing with that kind of family. But it cannot handle the Brady > Bunch. > > Now I suppose you could defend GEDCOM by saying it is supposed to record > only genetic --- that is, biological --- relationships. And of course, > there are important scientific and especially medical uses for that kind of > information. But it is not really true that GEDCOM records biological > relationships. It presumes that the husband of a woman who bears a child is > the father of the child, and we know since there is now DNA testing that > assumption is untrue in a significant portion of cases. > > Which brings me to my point. I'd like to develop a family history system > that is as compatible with GEDCOM as possible (since it is, as I have said, > the de facto standard with tons of software applications), but with > extensions to handle many diverse kinds of families that exist both in > modern America and in many traditional cultures. > > So, I would be grateful for any pointers to existing software that handles > all families or suggestions for extensions. > > -- > Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> > Countdown: 553 days to go. > Owing to massive spam from googlegroups, I do not see most posts from there. Check out The Master Genealogist. As an aside you should note that any program that depends on GEDCOM for anything other basic BMD info will have serious shortcomings depending on how the exporting and importing software follow the GEDCOM "standard" - which, imho, should be scrapped in its entirety.

Lars Eighner wrote: > Here is the problem: GEDCOM has become the de facto standard for family > history and geneology data. And the problem with that is that the Mormons > own GEDCOM and thus it is rife with built-in religious limitations. > > As you might expect, GEDCOM does not allow you to enter a family created by > same-sex marriage or civil unions even where they are lawful. But there are > other limitations. For example, in GEDCOM 5.xx, an adopted child does not > belong to his family. When he looks up his family in a GEDCOM-compliant > file, he is not there. How needlessly hurtful is that? > > If a guy marries his 14-year-old cousin as his fifth wife, GEDCOM has no > problem dealing with that kind of family. But it cannot handle the Brady > Bunch. > > Now I suppose you could defend GEDCOM by saying it is supposed to record > only genetic --- that is, biological --- relationships. And of course, > there are important scientific and especially medical uses for that kind of > information. But it is not really true that GEDCOM records biological > relationships. It presumes that the husband of a woman who bears a child is > the father of the child, and we know since there is now DNA testing that > assumption is untrue in a significant portion of cases. > > Which brings me to my point. I'd like to develop a family history system > that is as compatible with GEDCOM as possible (since it is, as I have said, > the de facto standard with tons of software applications), but with > extensions to handle many diverse kinds of families that exist both in > modern America and in many traditional cultures. > > So, I would be grateful for any pointers to existing software that handles > all families or suggestions for extensions. FTM 16 does all of the above but if exported as a gedcom same sex relationships / life long friendships becoame "marriages" Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Here is the problem: GEDCOM has become the de facto standard for family history and geneology data. And the problem with that is that the Mormons own GEDCOM and thus it is rife with built-in religious limitations. As you might expect, GEDCOM does not allow you to enter a family created by same-sex marriage or civil unions even where they are lawful. But there are other limitations. For example, in GEDCOM 5.xx, an adopted child does not belong to his family. When he looks up his family in a GEDCOM-compliant file, he is not there. How needlessly hurtful is that? If a guy marries his 14-year-old cousin as his fifth wife, GEDCOM has no problem dealing with that kind of family. But it cannot handle the Brady Bunch. Now I suppose you could defend GEDCOM by saying it is supposed to record only genetic --- that is, biological --- relationships. And of course, there are important scientific and especially medical uses for that kind of information. But it is not really true that GEDCOM records biological relationships. It presumes that the husband of a woman who bears a child is the father of the child, and we know since there is now DNA testing that assumption is untrue in a significant portion of cases. Which brings me to my point. I'd like to develop a family history system that is as compatible with GEDCOM as possible (since it is, as I have said, the de facto standard with tons of software applications), but with extensions to handle many diverse kinds of families that exist both in modern America and in many traditional cultures. So, I would be grateful for any pointers to existing software that handles all families or suggestions for extensions. -- Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> Countdown: 553 days to go. Owing to massive spam from googlegroups, I do not see most posts from there.

Hugh Watkins wrote: > singhals wrote: > >> khunter wrote: >> >>> Hi all; >>> >>> I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law >>> gave me a box full of data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee >>> the app to read them or is there a 3rd party reader out there? >>> >>> TIA for your help >>> Keith >> >> >> >> As I recall, most of those data-discs came with the Reader. Shove one >> of them into the CD drive and see what happens. Or use Windows >> Explorer to see if there's an executable on one of 'em. >> >> Otherwise, check the www.genealogyone.com site and poke around; they >> used to hide the "Family Archive Viewer" fairly well, and MAY have >> deleted the link altogether by now. > > > not hidden from google > http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=%22Family+Archive+Viewer%22&btnG=Google+Search > > > better try > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/abtffiv.html > > read the warning !!! > > > Hugh W > > I _do_ wish they'd quit playing Musical URLs. Thanks, Hugh.

singhals wrote: > khunter wrote: > >> Hi all; >> >> I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law >> gave me a box full of data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee the >> app to read them or is there a 3rd party reader out there? >> >> TIA for your help >> Keith > > > As I recall, most of those data-discs came with the Reader. Shove one > of them into the CD drive and see what happens. Or use Windows Explorer > to see if there's an executable on one of 'em. > > Otherwise, check the www.genealogyone.com site and poke around; they > used to hide the "Family Archive Viewer" fairly well, and MAY have > deleted the link altogether by now. not hidden from google http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=%22Family+Archive+Viewer%22&btnG=Google+Search better try http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/abtffiv.html read the warning !!! Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

singhals wrote: > khunter wrote: > >> Hi all; >> >> I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law >> gave me a box full of data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee the >> app to read them or is there a 3rd party reader out there? >> >> TIA for your help >> Keith > > > As I recall, most of those data-discs came with the Reader. Shove one > of them into the CD drive and see what happens. Or use Windows Explorer > to see if there's an executable on one of 'em. > > Otherwise, check the www.genealogyone.com site and poke around; they > used to hide the "Family Archive Viewer" fairly well, and MAY have > deleted the link altogether by now. http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=%22Family+Archive+Viewer%22&btnG=Google+Search Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:29:04 GMT, khunter <im@myhouse.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote: >Hi all; > >I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law gave me a box full of >data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee the app to read them or is there a 3rd party >reader out there? > >TIA for your help >Keith There are viewers available I think, but most good genealogy software will import from FTM. -- Bob.

khunter wrote: > Hi all; > > I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law gave me a box full of > data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee the app to read them or is there a 3rd party > reader out there? > > TIA for your help > Keith As I recall, most of those data-discs came with the Reader. Shove one of them into the CD drive and see what happens. Or use Windows Explorer to see if there's an executable on one of 'em. Otherwise, check the www.genealogyone.com site and poke around; they used to hide the "Family Archive Viewer" fairly well, and MAY have deleted the link altogether by now. Cheryl

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"khunter" <im@myhouse.com> wrote in message news:MPG.21009f65deb38148989684@news.ind.sbcglobal.net... > Hi all; > > I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law gave > me a box full of > data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee the app to read them or is > there a 3rd party > reader out there? > You should be able to get the viewer from the Family Tree Maker website - it used to be the demo for one of the older versions of the programme. However, since you say you're new to this obsession, a workd of caution. FTM produce a number of different data discs including the results of searches done by a company called United Ancestries. Most of their discs, however, come from a series called Worlf Family Tree, and I think that there's a good chance that this is what you have. Be careful with them 0- they are made up from trees sent in by users. Some of them are no doubt excellent, many have a fair dollop of wishful thnking in them. If the sources are all quoted and include original doucuments (eg birth certificates, census returns), that's an indicator than a tree that shows no sources, or quotes a load of web sites or other people. Treat the discs as clues rather than hard data. Oh- and welcome to the addiction! Lesley Robertson

Hi all; I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law gave me a box full of data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee the app to read them or is there a 3rd party reader out there? TIA for your help Keith

On the back of the cases that I have for some of mine from there, it states that you either need to have Family Tree Maker or Family Archive Viewer. However, it doesn't say how or where to get the Family Archive Viewer. You could probably google that and see if there's anything on it out there on the internet about either it or something that works the same. Cathy khunter wrote: > Hi all; > > I'm a very new researcher and I've got a question. My brother-in-law gave me a box full of > data disks from Family Tree Maker. Do I nee the app to read them or is there a 3rd party > reader out there? > > TIA for your help > Keith

In 2005 in Belgorod region near the ancient undeground monastery not far from the village of Kholki the monument to Prince Svyatoslav of Kiev was built up for the 1040th anniversary of crushing defeat of the Khazar Kaganate by this ancient Russian great commander. The author of this monument is well-known Russian sculptor Vyacheslav Klykov. Befor this he created many monuments, the most well-known of them are the monument to Marshal Zhukov near the Historical Museum in Moscow, the monument to Cyrill and Mephody in the Slavyanskaya Square, Prince Vladimir in Khersonesus and others. But this monument at once provoced a whole wave of scandals all over Russia. The case is in this 13 meters monument Prince Svyatoslav is depicted on horseback and his horse is trampling under foot a khazar warrior. At first it seems there is nothing unusual in this picture. But one detail: to make clear that the prostrate warrior is a khazar and nobody else on his shield there was a big emblem of David's star. Of course the main religion (though not the single) in the Khazar Kaganate was Judaism, but the fact that the giant charger of Svyatoslav is trampling the symbol of Judaism caused a storm of protests from very many Jewish communities from all corners of Russia even before the opening of this monument. At first the local authorities planned place the monument in Belgorod, but maybe just because of this scandal they finally decided to put it in some far place but not in the city. And also some time after the shield with David's star was replaced by the new one with just a neutral picture. You can see the photo of this monument of our site in the section Our Belgorod. http://www3.webng.com/rusgenealogy/ Just click the button Our Belgorod.

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BGPrspr wrote: > My Afr-Amer ggg-grandfather was surnamed Polite, who lived in Suwannee > county, Florida. He is recorded as having died in the 1940's at age > 104. I'm trying to find out about the existence of any Polite family > who owned slaves in Florida in the 1800s. I learned that most Polites > came from Italy, and were farmers by occupation. > > Does anyone know of a source of linking Polite slaveowners with my > grandfather? Thanks. You are here: Search > Census > U.S. Census > 1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules 1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules no POLITE but 102 soudex variations eg Richard Pelat District 21, Macon, Alabama or Joshua Platt Division 14, Alachua, Florida John C Pelote Not Stated, Columbia, Florida David Platt Not Stated, Columbia, Florida or Pollitt District 2, Mason, Kentucky William H Pollitt District 2, Mason, Kentucky Jane Platt Springfield, Washington, Kentucky Frances T Pelote District 1, Woodford, Kentucky C N V Pollett District 1, Woodford, Kentucky etc etc Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

My Afr-Amer ggg-grandfather was surnamed Polite, who lived in Suwannee county, Florida. He is recorded as having died in the 1940's at age 104. I'm trying to find out about the existence of any Polite family who owned slaves in Florida in the 1800s. I learned that most Polites came from Italy, and were farmers by occupation. Does anyone know of a source of linking Polite slaveowners with my grandfather? Thanks. Betty http://www.powertochange.com

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