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Hi: To all respective forum readers, please take notice: 1) First of all, my apologies for such a wide off-topic cross- posting. It's unusual, and very frowned upon. But I deem it necessary in lieu of recent events. You can just disregard if you will. 2) There is a user on the net who has impersonated "Don Klipstein", me, as well as other respectable Usenet posters. He/she is using our names, email addresses, and profiles to post nonsense on Usenet newsgroups. This impersonator seems to be located either in Burma or Korea and has the IP address of 172.69.171.29. 3) Doing a WHOIS checkup on 172.69.171.29 locates the source to be in Seoul, Korea: inetnum: 172.69.171.29 - 172.69.171.29 netname: HANANET descr: Hanaro Telecom Co. descr: Kukje Electornics Cneter Bldg. 1445-3 Seocho-Dong Seocho-Ku country: KR admin-c: IS37-AP tech-c: SH243-AP remarks: *********************************************** remarks: KRNIC of NIDA is the National Internet Registry remarks: in Korea under APNIC. If you would like to remarks: find assignment information in detail remarks: please refer to the NIDA Whois DB remarks: http://whois.nida.or.kr/english/index.html remarks: *********************************************** mnt-by: MNT-KRNIC-AP mnt-lower: MNT-KRNIC-AP changed: hostmas...@apnic.net 20020430 status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE changed: hm-chan...@apnic.net 20041007 source: APNIC person: Inyup Sung address: Hanaro Telecom Co. address: Kukje Electornics Cneter Bldg. 1445-3 Seocho-Dong Seocho-Ku address: SEOUL address: 137-070 country: KR phone: +82-2-106 fax-no: +82-2-6266-6483 e-mail: i...@hananet.net nic-hdl: IS37-AP mnt-by: MNT-KRNIC-AP changed: hostmas...@nic.or.kr 20010523 source: APNIC person: Seungchul Hwang address: Hanaro Telecom Co. address: Kukje Electornics Cneter Bldg., 1445-3 Seocho-Dong Seocho-Ku address: SEOUL address: 137-070 country: KR phone: +82-2-106 fax-no: +82-2-6266-6483 e-mail: i...@hananet.net nic-hdl: SH243-AP mnt-by: MNT-KRNIC-AP changed: hostmas...@nic.or.kr 20010523 source: APNIC 4) However, doing an IP locator on 172.69.171.29 in http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation reports the source to be in Yangon, Burma. 5) Don Klipstein and others check your messages on Google Groups by clicking on your email addresses. You might find loads of nonsense posted just as I have found in mine. 6) Here is impersonating post 1: Path: g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.kreonet.re.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr! kreonet.re.kr!feeder.kornet.net!newsfeed.hananet.net!tnews.hananet.net! newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newspeer.monmouth.com! newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com! out02a.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in02.usenetserver.com! news.usenetserver.com!postnews.google.com!g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com! not-for-mail From: Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics Subject: Re: What is the highest radio frequency used for radio astronomy? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 02:17:36 GMT Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 44 Message-ID: <8693249902.873555.97...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: < 1188459200.603005.55...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.69.171.29 X-Trace: tnews.hananet.net 1188875885 13375 172.69.171.29 (4 Sep 2007 03:18:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsad...@hanaro.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 03:18:05 +0000 (UTC) : #randsent "TRPV1 (also known as VR1) = Hot (>43 Celsius). Also activated by capsaicin, the active ingredient of hot chili peppers, by camphor, and by acids (protons)." "TRPV2 (also called VRL-1) = Painfully hot (>52 Celsius)" http://www.islandnet.com/~yesmag/brain/brainbump.php?id=95 "VR1 for hot, and VRL1 for super hot." In the skin, VRL-1 serves as a thermal nociceptor. However in the viscera, lungs and other internal organs, VRL-1 has a totally different purpose. #randsent So dermal VRL1-excitation is significantly more painful than VR1 excitation. This is why thermal burns are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more agonizing than acid-burns of the same depth. This is also why "temperature hot" is a lot more algogenic than "chili hot". All cuz of those nasty VRL-1s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #randsent Yes, these net-abusing hipcrime bullies deserve to roast alive over a cheese-colored fire. #randsent A flaming suit [device that aims flames at the bully's skin] should be custom-built to fit the size and shape of the bully after he/she has gone through the steps 1-10, I described. #randsent The flame suit fits the entire body of the bully. Right after steps 1-10, the bully is stripped completely naked -- to prevent smoke- inhalation from ignited clothing. Only then is he/she put into the flame suit. Then the flaming starts and his/her skin turns to white blistering foam, even if the bully is dark-skinned. In fact, the burn wounds are far more apparent in a dark-skinned individual because his/ her skin is mostly dark while the burn wounds are white due to thermal denaturation of the skin's pigments. The flames are made by smoothly igniting oxyacetylene and then feeding it the through the flame suit. Sodium ions are mixed with the oxyacetylene to give the flames a terrifying orangish-yell 7) Below is post number 2: Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com! border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com! nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!novia! newsfeed.yul.equant.net!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!feeder.kornet.net! newsfeed.hananet.net!tnews.hananet.net!newscon02.news.prodigy.net! prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com! 19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united Subject: Re: Mixing two colors usually results in a color that is between the wavelengths of the original colors; red/blue is the exception. Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2007 23:40:41 GMT Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: < 6355342000.328100.331...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> References: <1188584728.592410.268...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.69.171.29 X-Trace: tnews.hananet.net 1188876981 14670 172.69.171.29 (4 Sep 2007 03:36:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsad...@hanaro.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 03:36:21 +0000 (UTC) of stimulation (whether neural or direct electric stimulation of the muscle fibers) should be able to cause these muscles to contract or "un-relax"]. This will make him/her unable to move or vocalize. #randsent 2. While his/her breathing muscles should not be paralyzed, his/her voluntary control of them should be totally lost [this means that his/ her autonomic nervous system will have complete control over his/her respiration]. #randsent 3. The motor nerves supplying his/her voluntary muscles - including speech muscles but excluding breathing muscles -- should also be relaxed into total paralysis [these motor nerves should be hyper- polarized] and unable to "un-relax". #randsent 4. His/her entire autonomic nervous system [and their effectors], his/ her heart's natural pacemaker, his/her tear-production, his/her natural pain-relieving -- and stress-relieving -- mechanisms, smooth muscles [including those in the respiratory system], endocrine, hormonal, inflammatory, lysosomal, and immune systems should remain totally unresponsive to the infliction of even the most excruciating pain, totally unresponsive to any type of injury [regardless o 8) So you can see how this net-abuser has impersonated me. He/she has also impersonated Don Klipstein. It's likely that he/she won't stop just with us two but will go on impersonating anyone he/she until stopped. As I've recently found "RHRRC" has also been impersonated. Don, RHRRC, and others, please check your messages, you'll find posts that are definitely not yours. RHRRC, see this: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.lang/msg/0bdffc7edbb1e4da?dmode=source Don, see this: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.lang/msg/e458793775a43343?dmode=source Obviously neither of you posted the above two messages. Much like I didn't post the following message: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pyrotechnics/msg/1762bed639005379?dmode=source -- over his/her respiration]. #randsent 3. The motor nerves supplying his/her voluntary muscles - including speech muscles but excluding breathing muscles -- should also be relaxed into total paralysis [these motor nerves should be hyper- polarized] and unable to "un-relax". #randsent 4. His/her entire autonomic nervous system [and their effectors], his/ her heart's natural pacemaker, his/her tear-production, his/her natural pain-relieving -- and stress-relieving -- mechanisms, smooth muscles [including those in the respiratory system], endocrine, hormonal, inflammatory, lysosomal, and immune systems should remain totally unresponsive to the infliction of even the most excruciating pain, totally unresponsive to any type of injury [regardless of severity], and totally unresponsive to any emotion or psychological state [regardless of intensity]. #randsent 5. The parts of his/her brain that deal exclusively with movement, contraction/relaxation of all voluntary muscles [including speech muscles but excluding breathing] muscles should also be relaxed into a state of hyperpolarization. #randsent 6. The parts of his/her brain that deal solely with volu

In article <EJWdne4ef9XO90DbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@rcn.net>, singhals@erols.com says... | Thanks very much.. All good information ! Steve

Steven Stone wrote: > I've been going over what little there is of family records for my > great grandfather on my father's side, surname Fleckenstein. Steven: Suggest you spend some time at http://www.italiangen.org and search the databases for BMD's in NYC. There are dozens and dozens of Fleckensteins--several of whom look to be yours. Not knowing bride's name I couldn't cross-reference marriages. If you find what you are looking for, just order the films thru LDS FHC and check the info. Be careful though to order the correct boro film. Good hunting. ecunningham@att.net

You reply-proofed your addy. Steven Stone wrote: > I've been going over what little there is of family records for my > great grandfather on my father's side, surname Fleckenstein. > > There are some family oral history records suggesting that Arthur Adam > came to Brooklyn in the late 1880s to replace his brother Joseph ? in > Brooklyn who had died and left his family without financial support. > > I've heard of this, and it was not uncommon for the times. > > It seems that RC church and legal documents (I have some of the > originals), call Arthur Adam, Adam Arthur. Same with my grandfather > born in 1901. > From observance in the records, it appears that the Church prefers to use the Saint-name first. A certain number of civil bureaucratics have an obsession about names as well. That's a NAP (Not A Problem). > Now here is where things get strange.. > > 1900 census lists great grandfather coming to USA in 1890 > 1910 census shows immigration in 1888 > 1902 naturalization documents says 1889 > 1918 obit quotes his wife as saying he lived in USA for 35 years, > making the date 1883. Also said he died in a hospital after a short > illness. Sure wish I knew which short illness it was. 1890 is probably the closest to accurate: it's close enough in time to the 1900 census to be less susceptible to mis-recall. 1889 on the naturalization ... well, count it back: he had to be resident in the US for X years before he could apply 1902-x = 1889. The obit -- 1918 was the 'flu epidemic; chances are high he died of influenze. 35 is nice a round number, chosen for mnenomic not necessarily strict accuracy (much as you might glance at a clock and announce that it's 10:15, when the nuclear clock says it's 10:13:59) > > Castle Garden has no hits for Adam or Arthur in the time frame but > potential hits for a John in the right time frame. > Germans had this _annoying_ habit of having 6 sons all named Johan/John : Johan Adam Arthur (called Adam), Johan Ludwig Adam (called Ludwig), Johan Georg Christian (called George), Johan Arthur Christian (called Arthur) ... but when the US paperwork gets done, Adam, Lewie, George and Art are _all_ John. It's the rare kid named Johan who actually gets CALLED Johan! Generally speaking, in those cases, it's spelt Johann or Johannes or Hans, though. > Both 1900 and 1910 census say his wife came to the USA in 1885, but > only plausible hit on Castle Garden web site suggests the date was > 1883. > She had 11 children, 6 survived. Close-enough to count > > A official birth certificate printed in 1931 for my grandfather who was > born in 1901 lists his name as Arthur Adam with fathers name Adam. > His original 1902 RC baptism certificate lists my grandfathers name as > Adam John ??? as does online database for Our Lady of Sorrows RC church > in Brooklyn. Let's assume, as a matter of "you gotta believe in something", that the Priest couldn't have been wrong quite that often. > > And I still have not found any hint of Joseph anywhere, anyplace... > I'd look really closely at those records for John. Pay for 'em if you have to, but you owe it to yourself to LOOK. > And I haven't gone nuts yet after working with this off and on for over > 10 years. > > Now I know why the professionals make the big bucks.. > > I guess they didn't worry about accuracy a hundred years ago... > or is there more to it.. There's more to it. Not that it comes out in a different place, mind, but there is more to it. (g) Cheryl

I've been going over what little there is of family records for my great grandfather on my father's side, surname Fleckenstein. There are some family oral history records suggesting that Arthur Adam came to Brooklyn in the late 1880s to replace his brother Joseph ? in Brooklyn who had died and left his family without financial support. I've heard of this, and it was not uncommon for the times. It seems that RC church and legal documents (I have some of the originals), call Arthur Adam, Adam Arthur. Same with my grandfather born in 1901. Now here is where things get strange.. 1900 census lists great grandfather coming to USA in 1890 1910 census shows immigration in 1888 1902 naturalization documents says 1889 1918 obit quotes his wife as saying he lived in USA for 35 years, making the date 1883. Also said he died in a hospital after a short illness. Sure wish I knew which short illness it was. Castle Garden has no hits for Adam or Arthur in the time frame but potential hits for a John in the right time frame. Both 1900 and 1910 census say his wife came to the USA in 1885, but only plausible hit on Castle Garden web site suggests the date was 1883. She had 11 children, 6 survived. A official birth certificate printed in 1931 for my grandfather who was born in 1901 lists his name as Arthur Adam with fathers name Adam. His original 1902 RC baptism certificate lists my grandfathers name as Adam John ??? as does online database for Our Lady of Sorrows RC church in Brooklyn. And I still have not found any hint of Joseph anywhere, anyplace... And I haven't gone nuts yet after working with this off and on for over 10 years. Now I know why the professionals make the big bucks.. I guess they didn't worry about accuracy a hundred years ago... or is there more to it.. Steve

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 06:35:42 GMT, carolea7@comcast.net (Carole Allen) wrote in soc.genealogy.misc: >On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:07:28 -0400, Denis Beauregard ><denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: >>And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries >>than USA... >> >And the OP didn't cite any country - it could have been Iceland for >all we know. Although she did refer to the (erroneous) fine in >dollars, rather than euro or kuna or some other currency. We have 3 informations to locate the country: - a census in 2006 - currency is the $ - there is a fine of $5000 in the census This eliminates United Kingdom and any country not having the $ as currency. As for the $5000 fine, there is a such fine in the Canadian census, even if it is not for not answering to the census. Maybe the OP heard that on TV or radio or read some blog too fast. Denis -- 0 Denis Beauregard - /\/ Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ |\ French in North America before 1721 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ / | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1765 oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginnings to 1765

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:07:28 -0400, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: >And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries >than USA... > And the OP didn't cite any country - it could have been Iceland for all we know. Although she did refer to the (erroneous) fine in dollars, rather than euro or kuna or some other currency.

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:14:25 -0400, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: > Le 1 Sep 2007 14:35:48 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> écrivait > dans soc.genealogy.misc: > >>OK, a direct question and answer. Excellent. Please provice a cite to >>show that the census data in question is _ABLE TO_ be bought for >>marketing purposes. Now perhaps you will finally see my point. > http://www.statcan.ca/english/ads/cansimII/index.htm#pricing Thank you. > The data sold are based on the census made by the same agency. > Now, you may argue one can't see the details. But then, the details > are not statistics... I'm not arguing anything. I saw a statement backed up with exactly zero evidence and asked to see same so I knew how or if it was reliable information. Asking for a cite isn't saying "That statement is wrong", it's saying "Where can I get more information on this claim".

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:18 -0400, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: > On 1 Sep 2007 00:08:15 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in > soc.genealogy.misc: >>Fair enough, now what about the claim that the purpose of a census is to >>sell data to marketers? > Not exactly, but as I said, a good marketer will buy the data needed > for the job. OK, a direct question and answer. Excellent. Please provice a cite to show that the census data in question is _ABLE TO_ be bought for marketing purposes. Now perhaps you will finally see my point.

Le 1 Sep 2007 14:35:48 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> écrivait dans soc.genealogy.misc: >On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:53:18 -0400, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: >> On 1 Sep 2007 00:08:15 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in >> soc.genealogy.misc: > >>>Fair enough, now what about the claim that the purpose of a census is to >>>sell data to marketers? > >> Not exactly, but as I said, a good marketer will buy the data needed >> for the job. > >OK, a direct question and answer. Excellent. Please provice a cite to >show that the census data in question is _ABLE TO_ be bought for >marketing purposes. Now perhaps you will finally see my point. http://www.statcan.ca/english/ads/cansimII/index.htm#pricing ... CANSIM is used by: Market researchers, analysts, economists, business professionals, professors, and the general public in order to: (...) Analyze market potential (...) Make investment decisions ... The data sold are based on the census made by the same agency. Now, you may argue one can't see the details. But then, the details are not statistics... Denis -- 0 Denis Beauregard - /\/ Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ |\ French in North America before 1721 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ / | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1765 oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginnings to 1765

On 1 Sep 2007 00:08:15 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.misc: >> apply the fine. I don't know the actual figures. > >Fair enough, now what about the claim that the purpose of a census is to >sell data to marketers? Not exactly, but as I said, a good marketer will buy the data needed for the job. So, it is likely that some of the data will be more usable for marketing purposes. Nonetheless, there are census since hundreds of years (there is a census in 1666 for New France), long before the marketers were too powerful. >> And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries >> than USA... > >What an arrogant response to me for asking someone to explain their >unlikely claim. I wrote "dear Americans". I don't think you are many persons ;-) I was answering to the many persons who replied like if USA was the only country of the world. There are 18 posts in that thread. Denis -- 0 Denis Beauregard - /\/ Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ |\ French in North America before 1721 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ / | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1765 oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginnings to 1765

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:07:28 -0400, Denis Beauregard <denis.b-at-francogene.com@fr.invalid> wrote: > On 31 Aug 2007 00:03:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in > soc.genealogy.misc: > >>> "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:5jme4qFb7baU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> Cite please? >>I was kind of hoping the cite would clear up that mystery. Or, more >>accurately, highlight the flaws in the claim. > What flaws ? I don't know, the OP seems to gone silent. Vagueness is certainly one of those flaws. > The only mistake of the original poster was to forget the name of > the country in the post. Canada has indeed a census each 5 years. > The one in xxx1 years, i.e. 1991, 2001, is more complete (but the last > one had 2 kinds of surveys, one complete and one with a smaller > set of questions), and the one in xxx6 years, i.e. 1996, 2006, is > less complete. I don't remember about the fine, but I heard about > the job for recovery of missing forms, something like they get 90% > of answers, then phone to get maybe 98% then pay a visit to reach > 99.5% then use the fine as a threat to reach more, and finally > apply the fine. I don't know the actual figures. Fair enough, now what about the claim that the purpose of a census is to sell data to marketers? > And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries > than USA... What an arrogant response to me for asking someone to explain their unlikely claim.

On 31 Aug 2007 00:03:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.misc: >On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:21:53 +0200, Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: >> >> "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:5jme4qFb7baU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:11:23 -0400, Diana Riggs <rigger@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> The plan is to sell the info to marketing companies. >>> >>> Cite please? > >> I'm a bit puzzled - I thought that the USA census happen in years with a 0 >> on the end, not a 6? Is it more frequent than every 10 years? > >I was kind of hoping the cite would clear up that mystery. Or, more >accurately, highlight the flaws in the claim. What flaws ? The only mistake of the original poster was to forget the name of the country in the post. Canada has indeed a census each 5 years. The one in xxx1 years, i.e. 1991, 2001, is more complete (but the last one had 2 kinds of surveys, one complete and one with a smaller set of questions), and the one in xxx6 years, i.e. 1996, 2006, is less complete. I don't remember about the fine, but I heard about the job for recovery of missing forms, something like they get 90% of answers, then phone to get maybe 98% then pay a visit to reach 99.5% then use the fine as a threat to reach more, and finally apply the fine. I don't know the actual figures. There is a fine. The laws is on the web site http://www.statcan.ca/english/about/statact.htm It says: "Every person who, without lawful excuse, (...) is, for every refusal or neglect, or false answer or deception, guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months or to both." So, not $5000 but $500. There are other fines however. And, keep in mind dear Americans that there are other countries than USA... Denis -- 0 Denis Beauregard - /\/ Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/ |\ French in North America before 1721 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/ / | Maintenant sur cédérom, début à 1765 oo oo Now on CD-ROM, beginnings to 1765

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:21:53 +0200, Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: > > "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:5jme4qFb7baU1@mid.individual.net... >> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:11:23 -0400, Diana Riggs <rigger@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >>> The plan is to sell the info to marketing companies. >> >> Cite please? > I'm a bit puzzled - I thought that the USA census happen in years with a 0 > on the end, not a 6? Is it more frequent than every 10 years? I was kind of hoping the cite would clear up that mystery. Or, more accurately, highlight the flaws in the claim.

"Dave Hinz" <DaveHinz@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5jme4qFb7baU1@mid.individual.net... > On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:11:23 -0400, Diana Riggs <rigger@hotmail.com> > wrote: >> The plan is to sell the info to marketing companies. > > Cite please? > I'm a bit puzzled - I thought that the USA census happen in years with a 0 on the end, not a 6? Is it more frequent than every 10 years? Lesley Robertson

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:47:16 +0100, Brad Rogers <news@yoss1960.ukfsn.org> wrote: >On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:21:53 +0200, Lesley Robertson wrote: > >> I'm a bit puzzled - I thought that the USA census happen in years with a 0 >> on the end, not a 6? Is it more frequent than every 10 years? > >I believe that the USA sometime trial a series of questions in a mini >census (not usually across the whole of USA) to see if a) they're worded >well and b) produce responses that can be categorised into meaningful >statistics. > >IIRC, Canada and Britain do something similar, on occasion. I don't have the original in this thread- but those weasel words drew me out of lurkdom. . . 'I believe. . . IIRC'? C'm'on. How about a good 'it looks to me like'. . ., or an 'if I had to take a wild guess'. . . ? [insert either here]. . . the source of this troll/rumor/legend is a Canadian Agricultural census for which they have a $500 fine for not responding. http://www.statcan.ca/english/agcensus2006/faq.htm At least that's what all the first google hits are for 2006 census fine Jim

The census is every ten year sending in zero. However there are on going surveys in special topics for instance housing etc.. These surveys are considered part of the 2000 I recently interviewed for such a position in an area. Marilyn