Hello everyone, My website has many beautiful old mystery photos that need to be identified. Come visit: PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE PAST. http://photographsfromthepast.com/index.html You can do a surname or place search with my search engine if you don't have time to look through all the offerings. If you have a mystery photo that needs identification and would like to add it to this site, please e-mail me at the address below. It is always fascinating to wonder who these people were..... and how they lived. Kind regards, Mary Ann Allen ------------ Mary Ann Allen wallen@pipeline.com The Gathering Place http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/4400/index4.html

There may be no records, other than those at the institution originating the cargo of orphans. Adoption is a rather modern notion, and many children in the period before 1940 or so were never legally adopted. Just raised by families who had some type of interest in them. My mother-in-law considered herself to be adopted, but in fact the birth mother signed an affidavit giving her up to the people who raised her. That family went to the trouble of having her birth certificate modified to show her as their child, but there was never a court adoption proceeding.

Actually I think you're right. I guess other states could have had 'copy cat' organizations. Maybe there was a large orphanage there. On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:11:04 -0600, "Celia Mitschelen" <cmitsch@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >I wait to be corrected but it was my fuzzy understanding that the orphan >trains originated in New York and was a way of reducing the large number of >homeless orphans that were running around the streets getting in the "good >people's" hair. > >Celia >> >> Thanks. Trixie in Dixie >> >> > >

I personally know an Orphan Train Rider and neither he or his brother were legally adopted. They were taken away from negligent parents in NY State and put on a train to Nebraska. They each got a different family. Though their last names were changed to the family surname there was no adoption. I would imagine any records are in the state where they were born. I think these orphans were taken by the state because they were not being cared for properly rather than surrendered by parents. The Cranky Genee On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:03:01 -0500, "Buffys97" <buffys97@one.net> wrote: >Hi. If I thought my great-grandmother was an Orphan Train Rider, in >which court might such records be? Or maybe I should ask, what would >the legal process be before she was put on the train. >I did not find the info on Orphan Train Riders site. > >Thanks. Trixie in Dixie > >

I have uploaded the student images of the 1914 *Normalite* New Mexico Normal School ,Silver City ,NM , to Dead Fred's Genealogy Photo Archive http://www.deadfred.com To see all the pictures in the YearBook type NM in the photographers slot in "Detailed Search" .for General Photos from this yearbook selecy N in the Alphebet listing then clip on New Mexico Normal School .for close up scans or additional information regarding of any of these images email Joe@deadfred.com or Histroy101@aol.com to see a list of the other yearbooks added click here http://deadfred.com/photos/14178.jpg Have a great New Years! Joe DeadFred.com

I wait to be corrected but it was my fuzzy understanding that the orphan trains originated in New York and was a way of reducing the large number of homeless orphans that were running around the streets getting in the "good people's" hair. Celia "Buffys97" <buffys97@one.net> wrote in message news:u2urq4kvu8105b@corp.supernews.com...> Hi. If I thought my great-grandmother was an Orphan Train Rider, in > which court might such records be? Or maybe I should ask, what would > the legal process be before she was put on the train. > > In 1850, she was 3 years old and living with her single-parent father > in Newport, KY (Campbell County). I am not sure, but I *think* I found > Catherine once again in the 1860 census in the Brown County Ohio > census for Arnheim Village as a 13 year old. > Would such records be in Campbell Co Probate or Brown County probate > or somewhere else? > > I did not find the info on Orphan Train Riders site. > > Thanks. Trixie in Dixie > >

Hi. If I thought my great-grandmother was an Orphan Train Rider, in which court might such records be? Or maybe I should ask, what would the legal process be before she was put on the train. In 1850, she was 3 years old and living with her single-parent father in Newport, KY (Campbell County). I am not sure, but I *think* I found Catherine once again in the 1860 census in the Brown County Ohio census for Arnheim Village as a 13 year old. Would such records be in Campbell Co Probate or Brown County probate or somewhere else? I did not find the info on Orphan Train Riders site. Thanks. Trixie in Dixie

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FLETT SPRINGS SCHOOL SD 323 ALUMNI!! There is being planned a reunion of the people that attended Flett Springs School (SD 323). It will be held on July 20 aand 21, 2002, with a picnic, barbecue, potluck supper, races and games, and so forth. A cairn for the school is being prepared and will be dedicated at the school site during the weekend. A keepsake book is bing made up and we need your input to it! Every effort has been made to contact people that attended the school, but it's likely that some have been missed. As well, we have not been able to track down the following people: Bell, Sandra Emma Adeline 1954-55 Clydesdale, Fergus McDonald 1944-45 Graham, Bernice Rose 1941-42 Graham, Hugh David 1941-42 Graham, Karen Winnifred 1941-32 Graham, Orlyn Clifford 1941-42 Crawford, Janet Pearl 1944-45 Grundy, Heather Diane 1959-60 Hans, Glenn Alexander 1944-45 Heitner, Edgar 1941-42 Langkamp, Yan Edward 1953-54 Lawrence, Lorne Alvin 1956-57 Lawrence, Nellie Iris 1956-57 McGovan, Richard Arlen 1945-46 Ness, Delbert Harvey 1943-44 Taylor, Enid Jane Effie 1954-55 McRae, Robert S. R.: son of Lorne; last known address West 12th Ave., Vancouver, BC. Please e-mail us at ciel@cablerocket.com or contact D. Campbell at Box 1702, Melfort, Saskatchewan (Canada), S0E 1A0 (306)-752-4430. Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you!!

FLETT SPRINGS SCHOOL SD 323 ALUMNI!! There is being planned a reunion of the people that attended Flett Springs School (SD 323). It will be held on July 20 aand 21, 2002, with a picnic, barbecue, potluck supper, races and games, and so forth. A cairn for the school is being prepared and will be dedicated at the school site during the weekend. A keepsake book is bing made up and we need your input to it! Every effort has been made to contact people that attended the school, but it's likely that some have been missed. As well, we have not been able to track down the following people: Bell, Sandra Emma Adeline 1954-55 Clydesdale, Fergus McDonald 1944-45 Graham, Bernice Rose 1941-42 Graham, Hugh David 1941-42 Graham, Karen Winnifred 1941-32 Graham, Orlyn Clifford 1941-42 Crawford, Janet Pearl 1944-45 Grundy, Heather Diane 1959-60 Hans, Glenn Alexander 1944-45 Heitner, Edgar 1941-42 Langkamp, Yan Edward 1953-54 Lawrence, Lorne Alvin 1956-57 Lawrence, Nellie Iris 1956-57 McGovan, Richard Arlen 1945-46 Ness, Delbert Harvey 1943-44 Taylor, Enid Jane Effie 1954-55 McRae, Robert S. R.: son of Lorne; last known address West 12th Ave., Vancouver, BC. Please e-mail us at ciel@cablerocket.com or contact D. Campbell at Box 1702, Melfort, Saskatchewan (Canada), S0E 1A0 (306)-752-4430. Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you!! ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Message-ID: <cancel.3c2d006b$0$27161@fountain.mindlink.net> Control: cancel <3c2d006b$0$27161@fountain.mindlink.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <3c2d006b$0$27161@fountain.mindlink.net> From: "Cyril Lacey" <CIEL@CABLEROCKET.COM> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 03:08:22 GMT X-No-Archive: yes Newsgroups: microsoft.test,comp.lang.c,soc.genealogy.misc NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au 203.108.164.177 Lines: 1 Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!msrnewsc1!cppssbbsa01.microsoft.com!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp05!u.n.a.c.a.n.c.e.l.l.e.r This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

ouch. of course. That's what I get for being cheeky. Cheers. D. Stussy <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.10.10112230317090.18818-100000@exp.bde-arc.ampr.org... > Correct. Of course, since they have one, you only have to present the other... > > On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, John Seymour wrote: > >Which could easily be proven with copies of your's and your brother's birth > >certificates. > > > >D. Stussy <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message > >news:Pine.LNX.4.10.10112230049090.18576-100000@exp.bde-arc.ampr.org... > >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Dennis P. Harris wrote: > >> >On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:21:29 GMT in soc.genealogy.misc, Paul > >> >Havemann <paul@havemann.com> wrote: > >> >> The prevailing question is whether the need for public > >> >> availability of certain information overrides the need for > >> >> privacy. For birth records, I'm not yet certain which wins out. > >> >> As far as death records go, exactly how many cases are there of > >> >> identity theft based on them? > >> >> > >> >That's exactly how the purported murderer of Martin Luther King > >> >got a passport to get out of the country. He used the birth > >> >certificate for someone who was born about the same time he was, > >> >but who died when he was 3 or 4 years old, from a search of birth > >> >& death records in a state that had open access. > >> > > >> >Sixty Minutes or 20/20 or a similar program reported numerous > >> >cases with hidden camera examples several years ago. Using one > >> >birth cert of someone who died before getting a SSN, the show was > >> >able to create several false IDs and obtain drivers licenses and > >> >passports. > >> > > >> >My state now sells fancy limited edition birth certificates > >> >designed by local artists, with the extra fee going to subisidize > >> >childrens' programs, but I couldn't order one for my brother to > >> >give him for his 50th birthday. My mother could, because he was > >> >her child, and my brother could (as could his children), but they > >> >wouldn't sell one to me, his brother. Under state law, they > >> >can't even confirm his birth information for me. IMHO that's the > >> >way it should be. > >> > >> I disagree. As an immediate family member, you should have been entitled, > >>upon proof of relationship. > ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Message-ID: <cancel.OrSW7.137032$RP1.26897406@typhoon.kc.rr.com> Control: cancel <OrSW7.137032$RP1.26897406@typhoon.kc.rr.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <OrSW7.137032$RP1.26897406@typhoon.kc.rr.com> From: "John Seymour" <jseymour@mn.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:20:33 GMT X-No-Archive: yes Newsgroups: microsoft.test,comp.lang.c,soc.genealogy.misc NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au 203.108.164.177 Lines: 1 Path: news.sol.net!spool1-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!msrnewsc1!cppssbbsa01.microsoft.com!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp05!u.n.a.c.a.n.c.e.l.l.e.r This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

ouch. of course. That's what I get for being cheeky. Cheers. D. Stussy <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.10.10112230317090.18818-100000@exp.bde-arc.ampr.org... > Correct. Of course, since they have one, you only have to present the other... > > On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, John Seymour wrote: > >Which could easily be proven with copies of your's and your brother's birth > >certificates. > > > >D. Stussy <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message > >news:Pine.LNX.4.10.10112230049090.18576-100000@exp.bde-arc.ampr.org... > >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Dennis P. Harris wrote: > >> >On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:21:29 GMT in soc.genealogy.misc, Paul > >> >Havemann <paul@havemann.com> wrote: > >> >> The prevailing question is whether the need for public > >> >> availability of certain information overrides the need for > >> >> privacy. For birth records, I'm not yet certain which wins out. > >> >> As far as death records go, exactly how many cases are there of > >> >> identity theft based on them? > >> >> > >> >That's exactly how the purported murderer of Martin Luther King > >> >got a passport to get out of the country. He used the birth > >> >certificate for someone who was born about the same time he was, > >> >but who died when he was 3 or 4 years old, from a search of birth > >> >& death records in a state that had open access. > >> > > >> >Sixty Minutes or 20/20 or a similar program reported numerous > >> >cases with hidden camera examples several years ago. Using one > >> >birth cert of someone who died before getting a SSN, the show was > >> >able to create several false IDs and obtain drivers licenses and > >> >passports. > >> > > >> >My state now sells fancy limited edition birth certificates > >> >designed by local artists, with the extra fee going to subisidize > >> >childrens' programs, but I couldn't order one for my brother to > >> >give him for his 50th birthday. My mother could, because he was > >> >her child, and my brother could (as could his children), but they > >> >wouldn't sell one to me, his brother. Under state law, they > >> >can't even confirm his birth information for me. IMHO that's the > >> >way it should be. > >> > >> I disagree. As an immediate family member, you should have been entitled, > >>upon proof of relationship. >

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Here yuh go, guys. Good for a chuckle, anyway... "Things You'd Better NEVER Ask Me!" http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/genealog/never.html ...Enjoy! 8^) Todd -------------------------------------------------------------- Todd L. Sherman/KB4MHH Gainesville, Alachua Co. FL E-mail: afn09444@afn.org Web: http://www.afn.org/~afn09444 --------------------------------------------------------------

Here yuh go, guys. Good for a chuckle, anyway... "Things You'd Better NEVER Ask Me!" http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/genealog/never.html ...Enjoy! 8^) Todd -------------------------------------------------------------- Todd L. Sherman/KB4MHH Gainesville, Alachua Co. FL E-mail: afn09444@afn.org Web: http://www.afn.org/~afn09444 -------------------------------------------------------------- ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Message-ID: <cancel.a0eqsn$1qok$1@oak.cise.ufl.edu> Control: cancel <a0eqsn$1qok$1@oak.cise.ufl.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <a0eqsn$1qok$1@oak.cise.ufl.edu> From: "Todd L. Sherman/KB4MHH" <afn09444@afn.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 05:27:06 GMT X-No-Archive: yes Newsgroups: microsoft.test,comp.lang.c,soc.genealogy.misc NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au 203.108.164.177 Lines: 1 Path: news.sol.net!spool1-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!msrnewsc1!cppssbbsa01.microsoft.com!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp05!u.n.a.c.a.n.c.e.l.l.e.r This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

Greetings Researchers, www.geocities.com/geojenk Contains thousands of detailed Genealogical Biographies of individuals and families that were at one time located in Western Pennsylvania. Happy Hunting, George Jenkins ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Message-ID: <cancel.spwW7.296835$ez.42102137@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Control: cancel <spwW7.296835$ez.42102137@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <spwW7.296835$ez.42102137@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> From: "George Jenkins" <gjenkins29@home.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 05:38:40 GMT X-No-Archive: yes Newsgroups: microsoft.test,comp.lang.c,soc.genealogy.misc NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au 203.108.164.177 Lines: 1 Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newspump.sol.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!msrnewsc1!cppssbbsa01.microsoft.com!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp05!u.n.a.c.a.n.c.e.l.l.e.r This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:18:09 -0500, "Todd L. Sherman/KB4MHH" <afn09444@afn.org> wrote: >> From Adam to Noah is rather simple. Shem is the father of the Jews, >> not much is known about all of Ham's descendants and the rest of us > > Ham's descendants are easy, too. You can find many of the one's in >America by looking them up on the Federal Communications Commision's >database of licensees. > Because of they're assigned "callsigns," it's easy to tell from which >continental landmass they come. For example, those living in the US would >have prefixes starting with "K," "A," "N," or "W." Those from the UK might >have a prefix of "G"...and...and...and... > > Eh-hem. ...Sorry. Saw the opportunity and took it. You can hit me, now, >if you wish. I deserve it. I'll...I'll...I'll take it like a man.. [bows >his head in shame] 8^) > > Anyway, hoping all of you all had a Merry Christmas! > >Todd I should have thought of that - I'm WA4QZU. 8-) Hugh