Thought I would make a little note here. Have any of you contacted the Better Business Bureau??? If you had you would have found that Ancestry.com have a unsatisfactory rating with them, therefore, in my books, they are a slime ball organization and would NEVER trust them with my charge card information. "Barbara A. Brown" wrote: > "Dennis P. Harris" wrote: > > > Please go back and reread what I posted, instead of going off > > topic. The fact is that Ancestry is a slimeball company that > > bills credit cards without prior approval. > > The "slimeball company" merely presumes that you are able to read and > understand English. [Note that a free telephone number is provided. > And somewhere I remember an email address published for those > not able to utilize the 1-800 number.] > > 2.1 Continuous Service Membership. Subscription > membership in the Service is on a continuous service basis. > This means that once you have become a subscribing > member, your subscription will be automatically > renewed and your credit card will be charged based on > the subscription program (annual, quarterly, etc.) you > have chosen. Credit card charges will be processed within 24 > hours after subscription and products included in memberships > will be shipped shortly thereafter. You will be notified by e-mail > 15 days before your subscription will end, asked to correct any > information which has changed and given the opportunity to > "opt out" of your renewal. You must call Ancestry.com at > 1-800-262-3787 at least two days before the renewal > date for the cancellation to be effective. > > [There is a further note about continuation of Free Subscriptions > and there is also a 30 day money-back guarantee on original or renewal > subscriptions, so anyone who has been charged "without permission" has > somehow failed to respond within the fifteen day notifcation and the 30 > day guarantee period. 45 days should > be sufficient for anyone to prevent "unauthorized" credit > card charges]. > > http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm

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On 05 Jan 2002 in soc.genealogy.misc, Pin wrote: > That leads me to my last name.... well I THINK its my last name. You > see it's of Chinese origin and apparently there MAY be some confusion > as to whether they used to write their first name last or the other way > around. Anyway, assuming that its around the right way for now.....this > fella "Chin Lang Tip" came from overseas to Australia back in 1856 at > the age of 19years. Its an interesting read what happened to him as > best my dad could find out.... Couldn't of been too clever though - he > had 17 children total to a young lady Marianne Prout and her sister > Betsy Prout. (one wife and child is enough for any man) I can't help you with your specific problem, but you might find more help with Australian genealogy in news:soc.genealogy.australia+nz -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com

Dennis P. Harris wrote: > > On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:19:17 -0500 in soc.genealogy.misc, > Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > > > Dennis, this will obviously come as a nasty shock, but in many > > parts of the USA it is possible to have one's electric, phone, > > and natural gas paid automatically out of one's bank account. > > I know that. That was NOT the issue. He said that magazine > subscriptions continue automatically, and I said that I've never > had one that was renewed automatically. > > Please go back and reread what I posted, instead of going off That would be this: [begin insert] davehinz@spamcop.net wrote: >> Better cancel your newspaper subscription, your phone, your >>electricity, and all those other companies which keep your agreement >>live unless told otherwise then. > >they send me bills. if i don't pay them, they cut off the service. > >none of them automatically bill my credit card. [end insert] > topic. The fact is that Ancestry is a slimeball company that > bills credit cards without prior approval. That's an opinion. Many agree with you, many don't. However, the Terms of Service are fairly explicit about what they will do (i.e., bill your credit card until/unless you cancel your subscription). They are doing *exactly* what they told you they would do. If the terms of service are not to your liking, don't sign up for service. (shrug) I didn't. Cheryl

hi people, its very interesting to read about some of the things that people are trying to get information about in here. Wouldn't it be nice if there was just one "large database" that we could find and name or snippet of information that we wanted... but then if that were the case I suppose I'd be asleep at 1-00 in the morning instead of being here.. hmm That leads me to my last name.... well I THINK its my last name. You see it's of Chinese origin and apparently there MAY be some confusion as to whether they used to write their first name last or the other way around. Anyway, assuming that its around the right way for now.....this fella "Chin Lang Tip" came from overseas to Australia back in 1856 at the age of 19years. Its an interesting read what happened to him as best my dad could find out.... Couldn't of been too clever though - he had 17 children total to a young lady Marianne Prout and her sister Betsy Prout. (one wife and child is enough for any man) anyway the problem is (or should I say, problems are)..... was his surname Chin or Lang or Tip or Langtip... and then whichever it is...how do I find out where on earth he came from. My dad did a search of shipping records at Lavington Vic, shown were all names of crew, convicts etc, etc and down the bottom of the list "plus 14 Chinese". Now wasn't that thoughtful of them to do that! If they'd of known that a 146 years on someone might actually want to know.... thanks for listening to my ravings.......

Complete list of those living in Virginia in 1624 along with their Virginia location!! http://home.att.net/~nameslist

"Dennis P. Harris" wrote: > Please go back and reread what I posted, instead of going off > topic. The fact is that Ancestry is a slimeball company that > bills credit cards without prior approval. The "slimeball company" merely presumes that you are able to read and understand English. [Note that a free telephone number is provided. And somewhere I remember an email address published for those not able to utilize the 1-800 number.] 2.1 Continuous Service Membership. Subscription membership in the Service is on a continuous service basis. This means that once you have become a subscribing member, your subscription will be automatically renewed and your credit card will be charged based on the subscription program (annual, quarterly, etc.) you have chosen. Credit card charges will be processed within 24 hours after subscription and products included in memberships will be shipped shortly thereafter. You will be notified by e-mail 15 days before your subscription will end, asked to correct any information which has changed and given the opportunity to "opt out" of your renewal. You must call Ancestry.com at 1-800-262-3787 at least two days before the renewal date for the cancellation to be effective. [There is a further note about continuation of Free Subscriptions and there is also a 30 day money-back guarantee on original or renewal subscriptions, so anyone who has been charged "without permission" has somehow failed to respond within the fifteen day notifcation and the 30 day guarantee period. 45 days should be sufficient for anyone to prevent "unauthorized" credit card charges]. http://www.ancestry.com/legal/terms.htm

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On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:19:17 -0500 in soc.genealogy.misc, Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > Dennis, this will obviously come as a nasty shock, but in many > parts of the USA it is possible to have one's electric, phone, > and natural gas paid automatically out of one's bank account. I know that. That was NOT the issue. He said that magazine subscriptions continue automatically, and I said that I've never had one that was renewed automatically. Please go back and reread what I posted, instead of going off topic. The fact is that Ancestry is a slimeball company that bills credit cards without prior approval.

The original question did not say that this was "about immigrants" or looking for historical name changes..... In fact, the question could have been for the present, not the past. On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Celia Mitschelen wrote: >Your talking about modern times and the question was about immigrants >changing their names.Times change and you cannot go by modern rules and laws >but look at what was done then. > > Requirements, if any were not so strict and I don't think many people did a >formal name change as you are describing; all most did was start using a new >name. > >Celia > >"Genee" <sorourke@monmouth.com> wrote in message >news:3c34784a.13381534@news.monmouth.com... >> >> Last year I had my name changed back to my maiden name. This was not >> the simple get divorced and assume your maiden name. I would think a >> family change is about the same. You need a lawyer who will ask you >> some questions, run an ad in the local newspaper before and after. >> Then a court date is arranged and the judge will ask you why the >> change, are you trying to escape creditors etc.. Time in court was >> about 10 minutes, but after she granted the name change I still had to >> wait a month before I could use it. It was Superior Court in my >> county. I am in NJ, other states may vary. >> >> The Cranky Genee >> >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:10:36 GMT, "P Johnson" >> <jones-pj@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >> >> >I am looking for information regarding the process of a legal name change >> >for a family. How is this done? Through what type of court? Would it >affect >> >previous records? Any suggestions on how to research/get started on a >family >> >name that has been changed would be greatly appreciated. >> > >> >Thanx for any help!

thanks for the heads-up Graham "Guy Etchells" <guy.etchells@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3C357430.1A80B741@virgin.net... > Yes that is a very useful informative article but be aware there are a > few inaccuracies in it the most glaring being > > > > Partial 1881 Data > > Some readers have asked whether it is possible, if they have insufficient disk space, to install only part of the 1881 data. This is possible and is > > achieved simply by following the instructions but copying only those data files to which you require access. There are, however, limitations. > > Firstly, if you install only a part of the National Index, you will be limited to searching only for surnames in the alphabetical sections installed. This > > is pretty self-evident! Secondly, if you install only a single Regional data file you will only be able to use the National Index to access the data for > > this region. If you double-click on an index entry for a person in a different region, you will receive a Windows Registry Error message. This > > appears benign and when cleared does not affect operation. Possibly the greatest limitation is that if you install only part of the data, the registry > > changes will prevent you from using the CD-ROMs to view the rest of the data. Nevertheless, it may be a worthwhile short-term change if you > > expect a period of intensive searching within a single region (for example as part of a one-name study). > > > > Having had most of the various databases (1881, British Vital records, > North American VR etc. etc.) on my networked hard disks for a number of > years I can safely say it is possible to run the 1881 regional data sets > from the hard drive and the national index from cds and vice versa and > for instance run the entire 1881 census on the hard drive and the > various other compatible data sets British VR etc. from cd, you simply > have to add the CD drive letter into the data path for the data set > required. > Cheers > Guy > -- > Wakefield England > > http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells Transcripts, Parish > Records, Calendar, Scaleable Map of Uk. Link to LDS website, > Abbreviations, Returns of Owners of Lands etc. etc. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/dh/ Whitefield > Transcripts, Etch/ells Transcripts > http://gye.future.easyspace.com Worldwide Cemetery Links, Monumental > Inscriptions, War Graves, etc. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/CHURCH/church.htm > Churches & MIs. in the Wakefield Area > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/Ossett/obmi1.htm > Transcripts of 1st Baptist Burial ground, Ossett > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/tmi.htm Photos of > St. James Churchyard, Wakefield > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/stcr/stjsc1.htm > M.Is. in St. John the Evangelist Churchyard, Staincross > > > > All I needed to do was search the web a bit more!! > > > > http://www.family-tree.co.uk/why-walk.htm > > > > ================================ > > Graham Walter > > >

Lori <america4821@home.com> pressed random keys until the following was produced: > Maybe when we sign up for the 3 > month trial if we don't cancel, Ancestry assumes we want to continue. Maybe it says > this in the fine print some of us didn't read. Who knows? Who cares? Hm. Not to be overly unpleasant here, but if you don't bother to find out what the agreement you are signing up for, why is your failure to do so someone else's fault? Dave Hinz

Dennis P. Harris <NO_SPAM_TO_dpharris@gci.net> pressed random keys until the following was produced: > On 03 Jan 2002 16:34:58 GMT in soc.genealogy.misc, > davehinz@spamcop.net wrote: >> Better cancel your newspaper subscription, your phone, your electricity, >> and all those other companies which keep your agreement live unless told >> otherwise then. >> > they send me bills. if i don't pay them, they cut off the > service. > none of them automatically bill my credit card. from what people > say, ancestry.com does, whether people tell them they want to > renew or not. Ah. I use the auto-pay by credit card as a convenience; I get a statement but not a bill. I do this for my newspaper, ISP, newspapers, my propane co-op, and so on. Works great. > you apparently don't understand these simple facts. i don't know > how to explain it more simply, so you must just be a troll out to > be contrary. No, I'm someone who is sick to death of people griping about every little thing about ancestry that they decide they can complain about. They don't like that they have to subscribe. They don't like that the free trial slowed down performance for "paying customers" while it was avaialble. They don't like this, they don't like that. There's a simple solution to all of that; if you find the annoyance to be more than the value for you, then don't subscribe. But, whining and complaining that they auto-renew a subscription, which is standard practice (despite your claim that it's illegal), is rediculous. It's not some great consipiracy or something, y'know. Dave Hinz

"Steve Brown" <slsb1@sympatico.ca> wrote: >In the history of ancestors in Boston area around 1650 I see many men >"Became a freeman on MMDDYYYY". >These guys were not slaves, what does the note refer too? Here's a much better description; http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/users/deetz/Plymouth/GLOSSARY.htm From there; "A term which designated citizenship of the Colony, which was restricted to adult males. A freeman possessed the right to vote for the Governor and Assistants and the right to hold office. The laws did not provide any statutory requirement for freemanship, although the oath of allegiance to the Colony required indicated what was expected of those admitted (PCR 11: 156). To be admitted as a freeman appeared only to require approval by the freemen of the town where the person lived before their name could be presented to the General Court of Freemen for approval (PCR 11: 65; 236). Initially all stockholders in the joint-stock company that financed the Colony were freemen, but not all freemen were stockholders. (Fennell 1998: 7). Land ownership did not appear to be a requirement, although freemen may have been granted more land than non-freemen (Langdon 1966: 39n). Legislation could only be approved by the freemen who constituted the General Court, and consequently there were heavy fines imposed on freemen who did not attend the General Court sessions on a regular basis, and towns also imposed fines on freemen who did not attend town meetings. By 1638 the freemen, through the General Court, had passed legislation which allowed them to elect "deputies", representatives who could attend the sessions of the General Court for each town. Only freemen could hold the office of deputies, but the 1638 legislation allowed non-freemen who paid taxes to vote for candidates for deputy. Despite this, all freemen had to attend the election court held in June unless prevented by reason of age or any urgent business when they could vote by proxy; in any other case of default a fine of 10s was imposed (PCR 11: 157). If accused of a crime, a freeman not only had the right to be tried by a jury of twelve men, but could also challenge who served on it if he thought his best interests would not be served, without having to give a reason for this "peremptory" challenge (Fennell 1998: 10). Women and servants were not eligible for freeman status, nor were Quakers. From 1658 a freeman who became a Quaker would lose his status as a freeman, as would any freeman who aided Quakers, as would those convicted of lying, drunkenness or swearing (PCR 11: 177). Only freemen could serve as jurors, and for a capital case to proceed against a freeman, there had to be at least two witnesses against the defendant. It is probable that unmarried men over twenty-one who continued to live in their parental home were not eligible to become freemen. (Based on the Laws as set out in PCR 11, Langdon 1966 and Fennell 1998.)" Jim BTW-- For anyone with ancestors in the Plymouth Colony, I highly recommend the book which is linked on that page--- It is a real eye-opener. "THE TIMES OF THEIR LIVES: Life, Love, and Death in Plymouth Colony." By James Deetz and Patricia Scott Deetz

Looking for LYNN MICHAELS. Born 1959 approx. Mother Judith Anne Michaels deceased. Father Alan Michaels. Last known address living in Israel, near Haifa. Any information would be very apprieciated. Thankyou.

"Steve Brown" <slsb1@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >In the history of ancestors in Boston area around 1650 I see many men >"Became a freeman on MMDDYYYY". >These guys were not slaves, what does the note refer too? That they became 'citizens' - whatever the 1650 qualifications were in Boston. Chances are they had to belong to a church, be of a certain age & own a certain amount of real or personal property. An indentured servant would become a free man at the end of their term--- and some of them became freemen. The benefits of being a freeman rather than just a 'free man' varied too-- but they probably included the privilege of voting and holding office. [and maybe paying higher taxes] Jim

"Henry F. Brownlee" <hfb1931@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:3c3546d8.25819248@news.msy.bellsouth.net... > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:46:45 -0800, "Steve Brown" <slsb1@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > >In the history of ancestors in Boston area around 1650 I see many men > >"Became a freeman on MMDDYYYY". > >These guys were not slaves, what does the note refer too? > > > >Thanks > > Formerly indentured servants? Just a WAG. > If we're into guessing - given the Freedom of the City? Ask the Lincoln archives - http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/doc.asp?docId=5744&catId=211 Lesley Robertson

Must we be unpleasant? I don't see how any of this could be a "nasty shock". The key words here are "if we tell it to." Most people want their electricity, gas, etc. to continue. Unless we're planning an extended vacation, why wouldn't we want it to continue? Gas this month, electricity the next? It's just not that way. However, with Time magazine, Good Housekeeping, Popular Mechanics, Ancestry.com, it's a crap shoot. Do we or don't we? These things are not necessities and might easily be dropped as we move on to new interests. Maybe when we sign up for the 3 month trial if we don't cancel, Ancestry assumes we want to continue. Maybe it says this in the fine print some of us didn't read. Who knows? Who cares? Lori Singhals wrote: > Dennis P. Harris wrote: > > > > On 03 Jan 2002 16:34:58 GMT in soc.genealogy.misc, > > davehinz@spamcop.net wrote: > > > > > Better cancel your newspaper subscription, your phone, your electricity, > > > and all those other companies w

Yes that is a very useful informative article but be aware there are a few inaccuracies in it the most glaring being > Partial 1881 Data > Some readers have asked whether it is possible, if they have insufficient disk space, to install only part of the 1881 data. This is possible and is > achieved simply by following the instructions but copying only those data files to which you require access. There are, however, limitations. > Firstly, if you install only a part of the National Index, you will be limited to searching only for surnames in the alphabetical sections installed. This > is pretty self-evident! Secondly, if you install only a single Regional data file you will only be able to use the National Index to access the data for > this region. If you double-click on an index entry for a person in a different region, you will receive a Windows Registry Error message. This > appears benign and when cleared does not affect operation. Possibly the greatest limitation is that if you install only part of the data, the registry > changes will prevent you from using the CD-ROMs to view the rest of the data. Nevertheless, it may be a worthwhile short-term change if you > expect a period of intensive searching within a single region (for example as part of a one-name study). > Having had most of the various databases (1881, British Vital records, North American VR etc. etc.) on my networked hard disks for a number of years I can safely say it is possible to run the 1881 regional data sets from the hard drive and the national index from cds and vice versa and for instance run the entire 1881 census on the hard drive and the various other compatible data sets British VR etc. from cd, you simply have to add the CD drive letter into the data path for the data set required. Cheers Guy -- Wakefield England http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells Transcripts, Parish Records, Calendar, Scaleable Map of Uk. Link to LDS website, Abbreviations, Returns of Owners of Lands etc. etc. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/dh/ Whitefield Transcripts, Etch/ells Transcripts http://gye.future.easyspace.com Worldwide Cemetery Links, Monumental Inscriptions, War Graves, etc. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/CHURCH/church.htm Churches & MIs. in the Wakefield Area http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/Ossett/obmi1.htm Transcripts of 1st Baptist Burial ground, Ossett http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/tmi.htm Photos of St. James Churchyard, Wakefield http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/stcr/stjsc1.htm M.Is. in St. John the Evangelist Churchyard, Staincross > All I needed to do was search the web a bit more!! > > http://www.family-tree.co.uk/why-walk.htm > > ================================ > Graham Walter >

Dennis P. Harris wrote: > > On 03 Jan 2002 16:34:58 GMT in soc.genealogy.misc, > davehinz@spamcop.net wrote: > > > Better cancel your newspaper subscription, your phone, your electricity, > > and all those other companies which keep your agreement live unless told > > otherwise then. > > > they send me bills. if i don't pay them, they cut off the > service. > > none of them automatically bill my credit card. from what people > say, ancestry.com does, whether people tell them they want to > renew or not. > > you apparently don't understand these simple facts. i don't know > how to explain it more simply, so you must just be a troll out to > be contrary. Dennis, this will obviously come as a nasty shock, but in many parts of the USA it is possible to have one's electric, phone, and natural gas paid automatically out of one's bank account. Once authorized, the debits continue until one informs (a) the creditor that one is cancelling the procedure and (AND!) (b) the bank that one is dis-authorizing the debits. My GM in WV used it, friends and relatives in TX, LA, GA, CA, IL, and KY use it. It generally takes one full billing cycle from (b) for the debits to stop. Our on-line bill-paying service works the same way, if we tell it to: it can be set to automatically pay $X every 30 days to Company A. (A propos another thread, note that the bank doesn't care how many days in a month, it pays out at "T=30".) YOU may not use this service, I don't use it, but millions of folks in the US *do* use it. So Ancestry.com's is not exactly plowing new ground. Cheryl