Mike Maxfield wrote: > > singhals@erols.com writes: > >There's Paris Virginia, Vienna Virginia, Romney West Virginia, > >Lima in (Ohio? Indiana?), Cairo Illinois, Birmingham Alabama, > >Reading Pennsylvania, Hanover Pennsylvania, York Pennsylvania, > >Edinburg Virginia and the only states I know that do NOT have a > >Springfield are Louisiana and Hawaii. (g) > > Before Christmas I went out to do some gift shopping. Went through Bremen > one day, and the next day I went to Holland. Drove to both places from my > home in NW Indiana. > -- > tweek@io.com Georgia's a heck of a long way to go and if you blink twice you miss Bremen altogether. (g) Rome, just up the road a ways, is bigger. Cheryl

Carole Allen wrote: > Look at SW PA...Wash. Co. Both PA and VA fought over it. At one > time records were stolen from Wash Co PA and taken to Yohogania Co VA. Uhhh- don't forget Maryland. (g) Cheryl

D. Stussy wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Singhals wrote: > >D. Stussy wrote: > > > >> It is NOT a "given" for any PUBLIC database sharing, nor should it be a >"given" except for the rare occasion that a database has NO PERSON with >NO EVENT outside the U.S. However, that still doesn't make its omission >correct. > > > >Most of us aren't creating a PUBLIC database, we're creating > >private databases which we may (or may not) elect to share > >publically. This makes a subtle difference in specs. > > Whether or not one intends to share publicly shouldn't make that much of a > difference. If the database is still being shared privately among one's > relatives, it should be self-explanatory and precise. Leaving off the country > makes it less precise, and could also be confusing in some cases (e.g. Essex > County for Massachusetts and for England share a town nameset - use a map and > compare.....). True as that is, 1) I don't share my databases with my relatives because most of my relatives don't have a computer, and those who do aren't interested in the database or the research, only the printout of the results. (They don't even want to see sources!) 2) and ALL of them will assume that everyplace is in the US unless I explicity say differently. More, if in instance #1 I say this is in Springfield, whatever county, California, they will *assume* that all following places are likewise there and if it isn't I'll say so. Being aware that pre-computer genealogists often used such labor/labour saving tricks on charts can save a newbie a lot of grief, BTW. And this entire thread is one of the reasons GEDCOM Standards aren't particularly "standard" for everyone. The connection is left to the reader. Cheryl

singhals@erols.com writes: >There's Paris Virginia, Vienna Virginia, Romney West Virginia, >Lima in (Ohio? Indiana?), Cairo Illinois, Birmingham Alabama, >Reading Pennsylvania, Hanover Pennsylvania, York Pennsylvania, >Edinburg Virginia and the only states I know that do NOT have a >Springfield are Louisiana and Hawaii. (g) Before Christmas I went out to do some gift shopping. Went through Bremen one day, and the next day I went to Holland. Drove to both places from my home in NW Indiana. -- tweek@io.com

carolea7@attbi.com (Carole Allen) writes: > >Louisiana Territory? How is this any different than Washington >Teritory or Dakota territory (pre No and So. Dakota)? Or for that >matter, old parts of Ohio, pre-statehood, when it was NW Territory? or >a multitude of others out here with the rest of us pioneers on the >frontier ......<g>... I wonder how many people with 1600's entries for New Amsterdam are citing the location as NYC, NY. -- tweek@io.com

thanks all. i appreciate the help. On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:22:09 GMT, kerry_mcmahon@hotmail.com (Kerry McMahon) wrote: >Hi all, > >I was wondering if any one had access to "Dictionnaire Généalogique >des Familles Canadiennes", ("Genealogical dictionary of the Canadian >Families") Volume 1. If so, can you possibly get me a photocopy or a >scan of page 92 (possibly pages 41, 49, and 77 as well, if it's not >too much trouble). I'm trying to check sources for part of our >Brosseau tree. > >Thanks, > >Kerry

"D. Stussy" wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Kevin Shelly wrote: > >"D. Stussy" wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Robert Heiling wrote: > >> >"Henry F. Brownlee" wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:21 GMT, "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >I would find BOTH of those wrong, as it does not indicate the COUNTRY. > >> >> >Locations in the USA MUST SAY SO to be correct. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Perhaps for those who do not live in the USA. But for those of us who do, it > >> >> is a given. And I doubt even those in Great Britain (oops - the UK) will > >> >> think that New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana is other than in the USA. > >> >> But then, I have been wrong once before. > >> > > >> >But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana > >> >Purchase?<g? > >> > >> I use the MODERN name if the place has one. Why? It makes it alot easier to > >> find on a map should one want to GO there. My database allows notes for place > >> names, so I list all alternate names (if relevant) it was known by there (or if > >> it were a place part of a neighboring town, the other town's name, so as to > >> note that records may be found "over there; not here"). > > > >But, I sometimes find it useful to use the county that was correct at > >the time instead of the current county. When looking for records > >relating to that event, you need to know which county courthouse to look > >in or which county's census records to use. > > So? That information would be in the NOTE attached to the place name, at least > in my database (since such is supported and as I said above). NOTE's are always important when clarification might be needed. When filling in the fields of city, county, state, country even though "city" might be some small Minnesota town or small French village and "state" may be a Bundesland, or "county" might even be a parish<g>, there is still a date attached to the entry. What then does that date refer to? Bob > >> So, as an example: > >> New Orleans, Jefferson [Parish], LA, USA > >> would be used even for those events prior to 1803 when it was still owned by > >> France (Parish is used instead of County in Louisiana), or > >> Newbury, Essex, MA, USA > >> would be used even in 1639 when it was chartered under colonial rule by > >> England. > >> > >> ONE NAME for a place makes things easier.....

I haven't had any problem with Ancestry but Genealogy.com offered me a 7 day trial subscription and said they would bill me after 7 days if I didn't cancel. I didn't have the $79.98 in my account at that time but was due to get paid in a couple of days, well before the end of the "7 day free trial period". They billed my account 4 days later, the day before I deposited my check. My wonderful bank covered the expense but charged me for over-the-limit. When I spoke to Customer Service they said that they always bill during the period, that it is a "7 day MONEY BACK guarantee period". Not what I was told. My money was refunded 3 days later and my wonderful bank (no sarcasm!) even refunded the fee they charged me. I had been wanting to get the service with Genealogy Library but won't do it now. Karen "Lori" <america4821@home.com> wrote in message news:3C3137ED.684F19E4@home.com... > I've been a member of Ancestry for several years. Each year they've called, except > for the time I was on the trial (or three month, can't remember) they did NOT call, > it just went to my credit card. I would have renewed anyway, but I was a bit peeved > they did not call to ask > > Lori > > Jorge Lopez wrote: > > > Ancestry also called me about 2 weeks before it was time to renew to see if > > I wanted to. Chris L. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: PA >

On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Henry F. Brownlee wrote: >On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:43:23 -0600, chuck <chuck@kcnet.com> wrote: >>What he said was Louisiana Purchase, not Territory, which is quite >>different. Because before that, it belonged to uhhh....France or was it >>Spain....hang on and I will get my sons history book. =) >> >>Chuck McCardie >>-- >>The older I get, the better I was! > >Yeah, but Chuck, "I" said Louisiana Territory. And it belonged to France, >then to Spain, then to France again before being sold to the United States. >And I guess I could have said Louisiana, New France or Louisiana, New Spain >as well. <g> We had us a lotta flags here, yeah! But now we only have one - >Old Glory!! Use my method, and one doesn't have to worry about such things. Also, some time back in this thread: For the person who claims that ALL her locations are in the U.S., then what are you going to do when you finally do trace someone from overseas? Backfilling data due to one's initial oversight is clearly not fun.....

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Kevin Shelly wrote: >"D. Stussy" wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Robert Heiling wrote: >> >"Henry F. Brownlee" wrote: >> >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:21 GMT, "D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >I would find BOTH of those wrong, as it does not indicate the COUNTRY. >> >> >Locations in the USA MUST SAY SO to be correct. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Perhaps for those who do not live in the USA. But for those of us who do, it >> >> is a given. And I doubt even those in Great Britain (oops - the UK) will >> >> think that New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana is other than in the USA. >> >> But then, I have been wrong once before. >> > >> >But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana >> >Purchase?<g? >> >> I use the MODERN name if the place has one. Why? It makes it alot easier to >> find on a map should one want to GO there. My database allows notes for place >> names, so I list all alternate names (if relevant) it was known by there (or if >> it were a place part of a neighboring town, the other town's name, so as to >> note that records may be found "over there; not here"). > >But, I sometimes find it useful to use the county that was correct at >the time instead of the current county. When looking for records >relating to that event, you need to know which county courthouse to look >in or which county's census records to use. So? That information would be in the NOTE attached to the place name, at least in my database (since such is supported and as I said above). >> So, as an example: >> New Orleans, Jefferson [Parish], LA, USA >> would be used even for those events prior to 1803 when it was still owned by >> France (Parish is used instead of County in Louisiana), or >> Newbury, Essex, MA, USA >> would be used even in 1639 when it was chartered under colonial rule by >> England. >> >> ONE NAME for a place makes things easier.....

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Singhals wrote: >D. Stussy wrote: > >> It is NOT a "given" for any PUBLIC database sharing, nor should it be a >"given" except for the rare occasion that a database has NO PERSON with >NO EVENT outside the U.S. However, that still doesn't make its omission >correct. > >Most of us aren't creating a PUBLIC database, we're creating >private databases which we may (or may not) elect to share >publically. This makes a subtle difference in specs. Whether or not one intends to share publicly shouldn't make that much of a difference. If the database is still being shared privately among one's relatives, it should be self-explanatory and precise. Leaving off the country makes it less precise, and could also be confusing in some cases (e.g. Essex County for Massachusetts and for England share a town nameset - use a map and compare.....).

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:43:23 -0600, chuck <chuck@kcnet.com> wrote: >What he said was Louisiana Purchase, not Territory, which is quite >different. Because before that, it belonged to uhhh....France or was it >Spain....hang on and I will get my sons history book. =) > >Chuck McCardie >-- >The older I get, the better I was! Yeah, but Chuck, "I" said Louisiana Territory. And it belonged to France, then to Spain, then to France again before being sold to the United States. And I guess I could have said Louisiana, New France or Louisiana, New Spain as well. <g> We had us a lotta flags here, yeah! But now we only have one - Old Glory!! Henry F. Brownlee South Louisiana

On 11 Jan 2002 in soc.genealogy.misc, Singhals wrote: > There's Paris Virginia, Vienna Virginia, Romney West Virginia, > Lima in (Ohio? Indiana?), Cairo Illinois, Birmingham Alabama, > Reading Pennsylvania, Hanover Pennsylvania, York Pennsylvania, > Edinburg Virginia and the only states I know that do NOT have a > Springfield are Louisiana and Hawaii. (g) OK, I spent *way* too long on this, so: Alaska, Arizona, Connecicut, Hawaii, Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Utah, Washington (state), Wyoming do NOT have Springfields, according to the Geobase in TMG. -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:03:45 GMT in soc.genealogy.misc, Charles <X@triad.rr.com> wrote: > > in alaska, *all* small ISPs are run by linux nerds. the others all got > > bought up by the phone companies. > > Even though they're owned by the phone companies, they're probably still > run by Linux nerds. :-) no, they're solaris nerds. the telcos all use sun servers. ;^)

Edith Gomez <edithkbg@home.com> wrote: > Emma could be her real name, I have a Grand Aunt named Emma Sheppard at > birth, can't remember her married name at present. Emma could also be short > for EMMALINE. > > Edith Thanks folks, The thing is that my grandmother (now 89) recalls her grandmother's name as "Emily". But an 1881 UK census record matches the family perfectly (father's name, wife's maiden name, four children with the right names, right town, right dates, etc.) but the wife is listed as "Emma" instead of Emily. I believe this is the right census record (too many other points match up for it *not* to be). It's entirely likely that my grandmother is not remembering the name correctly (seems more likely than an error on the census taker's part), or it could be that one name is/was a variation of the other at the time. Mark -- Mark Morley, British Columbia, Canada mark@kinweb.org Researching: MORLEY, SANDERSON, GREGORY, STOCKMAN, FRANCIS, LOCKHART, DENYER CAVE, STEPHENSON, WUERCH, WIESE, ... and hundreds more ...

Hi all, I was wondering if any one had access to "Dictionnaire Généalogique des Familles Canadiennes", ("Genealogical dictionary of the Canadian Families") Volume 1. If so, can you possibly get me a photocopy or a scan of page 92 (possibly pages 41, 49, and 77 as well, if it's not too much trouble). I'm trying to check sources for part of our Brosseau tree. Thanks, Kerry

Henry F. Brownlee wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:24:36 -0500, Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > > >There's Paris Virginia, Vienna Virginia, Romney West Virginia, > >Lima in (Ohio? Indiana?), Cairo Illinois, Birmingham Alabama, > >Reading Pennsylvania, Hanover Pennsylvania, York Pennsylvania, > >Edinburg Virginia and the only states I know that do NOT have a > >Springfield are Louisiana and Hawaii. (g) > > > >Cheryl > > Actually, Cheryl, we do have a Sprinfield, LA. It's in Livingston Parish, > some 80 miles northwest of New Orleans, or so. Awww, Livingston parish! (g) But I forgot Alexandria Louisiana and Virginia ... C

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:26:55 GMT, Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> wrote: But what do you put down for country if the event predates the Louisiana >Purchase?<g? > Louisiana Territory? How is this any different than Washington Teritory or Dakota territory (pre No and So. Dakota)? Or for that matter, old parts of Ohio, pre-statehood, when it was NW Territory? or a multitude of others out here with the rest of us pioneers on the frontier ......<g>...

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:38:44 GMT, Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> wrote: >" >You really do need those notes with the alternate names though. I have some people >in my database who had births, deaths, & marriages in Hungary and the village name >in Hungarian, Hungarian county name, Hungary can be important in locating some >records. It's part of Austria now, so I also record the German village name, German >county name, Austria. My genealogy program, as others, has only one formal set of >fields. > Ditto. I have a lot of genealogy in Croatia, once Yugoslavia, also Austr-Hung. Empire...village names change overtime. The village hasn't moved, only the name or controlling entity has changed. But this can happein in the US too...counties expand and merge, new counties are carved out of old...a town may stay in the same place and in different time periods be in different counties. So, your cite to a county may need to be footnoted to reflect that. Ditto some states. Look at SW PA...Wash. Co. Both PA and VA fought over it. At one time records were stolen from Wash Co PA and taken to Yohogania Co VA. Yahogania was discontinued in 1786, but there is about a ten year period when it existed (formed from Augusta in 1776). On one of my lines records are found in both places for the same family, on the same farm in both states in different time periods. You need to put yourself in that time and place and remember that things aren't static...names change, governments evolve, towns die..and your notes need to contain explanations - a total stranger should be able to pick up your research and duplicate your outcome relying on your sources, if your records are accurate and complete.

On 12 Jan 2002 in soc.genealogy.misc, Kerry McMahon wrote: > I was wondering if any one had access to "Dictionnaire Généalogique > des Familles Canadiennes", ("Genealogical dictionary of the Canadian > Families") Volume 1. If so, can you possibly get me a photocopy or a > scan of page 92 (possibly pages 41, 49, and 77 as well, if it's not > too much trouble). I'm trying to check sources for part of our > Brosseau tree. You might try the American-Canadian Genealogical Society at http://www.acgs.org/ or Dénis Beauregard's companion French/English sites http://www.genealogie.com/ and http://www.francogene.com/ for more information on French Canadian genealogy. -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com