As others have pointed out these cards have been microfilmed and are available through LDS FHCs. The originals are in the Atlanta regional branch of the National Archives. I found looking at the original cards both interesting and helpful. Somewhat different formats were used at different times, so what is entered varies. You might find a physical description of your ancestor that includes something you didn't know (e.g., black hair for a man you only knew as bald), a listing of his family (including children that were born and died between census years), the address where he was living (good starting point for looking for other relatives), cards for others with the same surname in the same town, and so on. As with all sources, looking at your particular ancestor's card might have a big payoff or none. You won't know until you look. Bob Warren "WILLIAM M. LEITNER" wrote: > HAS anyone had experience looking at the world war 1 draft registration > cards for family info? > > Do yoou know where one can look at these records? > > One of the items that might be of great interest is a line thatt reads > Father's exact place of birth (including town in old country, if immigrant. > > Has anyone found this line filled in and useful to them in do8ng research > of their families? > > Bill > -- > q > q > ###

When my son, who lives in Oregon, turned 18, he wanted to change his legal name from his father's surname to my maiden name. He went to the county courthouse, asked the clerk for papers to change his name, filled them out, posted them at the courthouse the required time (two weeks, in this case; an alternate is a legal notice in the newspaper), and at the end of the waiting period the judge simply signed the name change request. The filing fee was $87. Although he had used my maiden name for his last name most of his life, on school and employment records, he had trouble with obtaining a passport prior to the age of 18. It was issued in his legal name under his father's surname with an "AKA" noted on one page of the passport. The other problem was resolving the social security name and number, which in turn was a problem for us when we claimed him as a dependent, as his name and his SS# did not match. Once he changed his name legally, those issues were resolved. Ellie "P Johnson" <jones-pj@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<gLYY7.322468$W8.12308214@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > I am looking for information regarding the process of a legal name change > for a family. How is this done? Through what type of court? Would it affect > previous records? Any suggestions on how to research/get started on a family > name that has been changed would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanx for any help!

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Never deal with a third party on these things -- go directly to Tennessee. Cheryl dnc in tennessee wrote: > > I think I will. > > Would you use www.vitalcheck.com or try ordring directly > from tennessee??? > > thanks, > > On The Date Of Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:53:25 -0500, Singhals > <singhals@erols.com> Wrote The Followng: > > ->dnc in tennessee wrote: > ->> > ->> Andrew Jackson Bonine , born around 1880 in Tennessee > ->> Died in 1947 in chattanooga tennessee > ->> Was married to minnie barefield. > ->> > ->> Andrew had a son named Bufford or Buford, buford died in > ->> 1968 in chattanooga. > ->> > ->> Any clues would be fantastic! > ->> > ->> Thanks,, > -> > ->Both those deaths are late enough, Tennessee should have > been > ->issuing death certificates. Order 'em (from the State > Dept. of > ->Health, Wherever the State Capital is) and see what they > tell > ->you. > -> > ->Cheryl

I have uploaded the 1926 Hackley School Yearbook Images to Dead Fred's Genealogy Photo Archive http://www.deadfred.com To see all the pictures in the YearBook 1)type HACKLEY in the photographers slot in "Detailed Search" . 2) To Browse the album Select H in the Alphebet listing then click on HACKLEY SCHOOL . to see a list of the other yearbooks added click here http://deadfred.com/photos/14178.jpg Joe Bott DeadFred.com

I think I will. Would you use www.vitalcheck.com or try ordring directly from tennessee??? thanks, On The Date Of Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:53:25 -0500, Singhals <singhals@erols.com> Wrote The Followng: ->dnc in tennessee wrote: ->> ->> Andrew Jackson Bonine , born around 1880 in Tennessee ->> Died in 1947 in chattanooga tennessee ->> Was married to minnie barefield. ->> ->> Andrew had a son named Bufford or Buford, buford died in ->> 1968 in chattanooga. ->> ->> Any clues would be fantastic! ->> ->> Thanks,, -> ->Both those deaths are late enough, Tennessee should have been ->issuing death certificates. Order 'em (from the State Dept. of ->Health, Wherever the State Capital is) and see what they tell ->you. -> ->Cheryl

"D. Stussy" <kd6lvw@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0201182203190.2028-100000@exp.bde-arc.ampr.org... > So? As I said, my database supports notes for place names. > > It seems as if your database doesn't support what my program does.... > Just curious... What database/program do you use? Thanks, Libby

"Tom of Bunyon" <t2jr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:c9n28.22762$Ee7.1733679@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com... > They also cross state lines once in a great while. An example is Texarkana > TX and Texarkana AK. The post office says that county/state uniqueness is > only guaranteed with the first SEVEN digits of the NINE digit ZIP-Plus-4. If there were any, the folks in Texarkana, Alaska would be glad for the clarification. But don't try to send mail there. The post office state code for Arkansas is AR.

Hello! IŽm just working on a new page, which shall show the name, e-mail-adress, url (homepage) and the looked-for names or themes from people, who are searching in Hille. If you agree to be found on my sides, I need your e-mail-adress, the adress of your homepage and the names or themes, you are looking for in Hille. You have to sent this informations to me with an e-mail and I have to change the side after I got your e-mails - I canŽt put a another formular on my sides. So thatŽs more work for me - but I hope, that this will help other people to find new relatives and new informations about Hille. Please inform other people, who are searching in Hille. Hallo! Ich arbeite gerade an einer neuen Seite, die Forscherkontakte zwischen denen herstellen soll, die in Hille forschen. Dazu brauche ich euer Einverständnis und eure Daten (e-mail-Adresse, Homepage und Namen oder Themen zu denen in Hille geforscht wird). Leider kann ich kein weiteres Formular auf meinen Seiten unterbringen und muß also alles per Hand ändern. Aber vielleicht finden sich ja so Leute, die zu einem gemeinsamen Namen forschen. Bitte informiert andere, die auch in Hille forschen. Thank you - Danke! Kris (Kerstin Klemme) www.klemme.org Do you know Lil(l)ian Richter?

"Richard A. Pence" wrote: > Also, be careful how you use postal codes (ZIP in the U.S.) as a place > indicator. These change more rapidly than place names. A good example is the > Social Security Death Index. The original database maintained by the Social > Security Administration has a ZIP code which represents the address of > record with SSA at the time of death. Once the raw data from SSA reaches, > for example, RootsWeb, it is enhanced by adding a city and state to the ZIP > Code. Unfortunately, it is today's ZIP directory that is used to make the > interpolation. In order to accurately translate the ZIP to a place, one > would need a ZIP directory for the year of death. (This is why you sometimes > see people complaining that the SSDI said a grandfather lived in a place > that he never even visited! <g> And then there's the problem of zip codes crossing county lines. I have this situation currently. On every database I've ever checked, putting in my zip code comes up with "Houston, Harris County" when I live in Fort Bend County. I'm not technically in any city, but the post office uses "Houston" as a convenience. --Charlene -- When a lion escapes from a circus in Africa, how do they know when they've caught the right one? --George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net

dnc in tennessee wrote: > > Andrew Jackson Bonine , born around 1880 in Tennessee > Died in 1947 in chattanooga tennessee > Was married to minnie barefield. > > Andrew had a son named Bufford or Buford, buford died in > 1968 in chattanooga. > > Any clues would be fantastic! > > Thanks,, Both those deaths are late enough, Tennessee should have been issuing death certificates. Order 'em (from the State Dept. of Health, Wherever the State Capital is) and see what they tell you. Cheryl

WILLIAM M. LEITNER wrote: > > HAS anyone had experience looking at the world war 1 draft registration > cards for family info? > Yeah. > Do yoou know where one can look at these records? > I look at mine at the FHC on LDS microfilm. (g) You can also see many of them at the nearest NARA branch, or order the relevant microfilm from NARA. The originals are at the NARA branch in Atlanta/College Park, GA. > One of the items that might be of great interest is a line thatt reads > Father's exact place of birth (including town in old country, if immigrant. > > Has anyone found this line filled in and useful to them in do8ng research > of their families? > Filled in properly, you mean? (g) Not often. Reason #1 it isn't going to be joyously useful -- the cards were filled out by CLERKS who were writing down answers to questions. Kiev could turn into Keith or Keeve or Ceeph without too much imagination. :( Lessee -- I have copies of 12 cards out of NYC; apparently only the 1917 registration card has that question on it. Only two cards are from 1917: and they say: Poyastphumir, Boraviour, Austria. A 2nd says Minsk, Russia. [Good luck finding that first one! I thought the B word was Bavaria until I started typing.] Of the rest, for the "of what country are you a citizen or subject?" question, you get things like -- Russia, or Russian Poland or Austria. Sorry. :( Cheryl

> And then there's the problem of zip codes crossing county lines. I have > this situation currently. On every database I've ever checked, putting > in my zip code comes up with "Houston, Harris County" when I live in > Fort Bend County. I'm not technically in any city, but the post office > uses "Houston" as a convenience. They also cross state lines once in a great while. An example is Texarkana TX and Texarkana AK. The post office says that county/state uniqueness is only guaranteed with the first SEVEN digits of the NINE digit ZIP-Plus-4.

Singhals wrote: > > Richard A. Pence wrote: > > > > "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > > news:3C42E6FC.723752EB@erols.com... > > > Actually, no, it isn't. GEDCOM was proposed for that reason, but > > > for reasons of economic clout, the development was largely at the > > > instance of the LDS church *because* it was an easy way for LDS > > > members to get the necessary parts of their data (name, date, > > > place) out of the genealogy program and into the Temple system. > > > And, for that to work properly, the format of the places has to > > > go small to large (otherwise the IGI shows Chev* instead of > > > Maryl). Non-LDS genealogists began using it to move data from > > > this program to that, with the results we've discussed here > > > before -- to wit, strange things happen to normal people. > > > > In the interest of historical accuracy, what we now know as GEDCOM was > > developed by the LDS church as an internal tool to assist in transferring > > data from personal computers to its main frame computer. Later, the > > specification were made public so other developers could incorporate them as > > a method of transferring data. In the beginning, the GEDCOM utilities were > > "approved" by LDS, but this approval did not mean that the program > > accurately implemented the specification, merely that the output of a > > program's GEDCOM utility was approved as a vehicle for submitting data to > > the LDS's Ancestral File. > > > > As for the entering of place names, I have noted that (at least in the old > > days when manuals were printed! <G>), each program gave considerable detail > > on how these should be entered. Anyone who followed directions shouldn't > > have had any trouble and, by golly, I think if you wanted "USA" understood, > > you could allow for that in your data entry without worrying about what > > happened when you exported information. (And, even if there isn't such a > > provision in every program, there are workarounds to get there.) > > > > Regards, > > Richard > > Somehow, I thought that's what I said, but Richard's proven me > wrong before, so ... > > Thank you for the clarification. (G) > > [And just to muddy waters (remember him?) a little more -- in PAF > 2.x there was a keystroke that allowed you to see a summary of > the individual, name of spouse, names of parents *AND* the first > 6 lines of the NOTES. In PAF 3 and up, that's not available (or > if it is, no one knows where to find it). So, on several of my > more difficult to trace families, I have inserted "/Kerns" or > "/SeaHunt" for the placenames. This avoids my having to make so > many clicks and obscure the part I'm checking to open the NOTES > to check it. It makes a lot more work for me when I printout to > share, because I have to edit that, but it makes MY working life > easier. Point, such as it is, being, what you do in your working > files is no one's business but yours UNTIL you start publishing > to the web or to paper, or even in a GED when the prevailing > standard should be identified and met.] > > Cheryl I'm certain you are more famliar with PAF than I am. I just started using PAF 4 for a new project and found d-clicking on a person did basically the same thing as L-click or 2 on the Principle Person did in PAF 2.31. With PAF 4 it doesn't show notes, as in 2.31, but there's a Notes button along with 3 others.

Andrew Jackson Bonine , born around 1880 in Tennessee Died in 1947 in chattanooga tennessee Was married to minnie barefield. Andrew had a son named Bufford or Buford, buford died in 1968 in chattanooga. Any clues would be fantastic! Thanks,,

HAS anyone had experience looking at the world war 1 draft registration cards for family info? Do yoou know where one can look at these records? One of the items that might be of great interest is a line thatt reads Father's exact place of birth (including town in old country, if immigrant. Has anyone found this line filled in and useful to them in do8ng research of their families? Bill -- q q ###

Don Nickell wrote: > > Singhals wrote: > > > > Richard A. Pence wrote: > > > > > > "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > > > news:3C42E6FC.723752EB@erols.com... > > > > Actually, no, it isn't. GEDCOM was proposed for that reason, but > > > > for reasons of economic clout, the development was largely at the > > > > instance of the LDS church *because* it was an easy way for LDS > > > > members to get the necessary parts of their data (name, date, > > > > place) out of the genealogy program and into the Temple system. > > > > And, for that to work properly, the format of the places has to > > > > go small to large (otherwise the IGI shows Chev* instead of > > > > Maryl). Non-LDS genealogists began using it to move data from > > > > this program to that, with the results we've discussed here > > > > before -- to wit, strange things happen to normal people. > > > > > > In the interest of historical accuracy, what we now know as GEDCOM was > > > developed by the LDS church as an internal tool to assist in transferring > > > data from personal computers to its main frame computer. Later, the > > > specification were made public so other developers could incorporate them as > > > a method of transferring data. In the beginning, the GEDCOM utilities were > > > "approved" by LDS, but this approval did not mean that the program > > > accurately implemented the specification, merely that the output of a > > > program's GEDCOM utility was approved as a vehicle for submitting data to > > > the LDS's Ancestral File. > > > > > > As for the entering of place names, I have noted that (at least in the old > > > days when manuals were printed! <G>), each program gave considerable detail > > > on how these should be entered. Anyone who followed directions shouldn't > > > have had any trouble and, by golly, I think if you wanted "USA" understood, > > > you could allow for that in your data entry without worrying about what > > > happened when you exported information. (And, even if there isn't such a > > > provision in every program, there are workarounds to get there.) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Richard > > > > Somehow, I thought that's what I said, but Richard's proven me > > wrong before, so ... > > > > Thank you for the clarification. (G) > > > > [And just to muddy waters (remember him?) a little more -- in PAF > > 2.x there was a keystroke that allowed you to see a summary of > > the individual, name of spouse, names of parents *AND* the first > > 6 lines of the NOTES. In PAF 3 and up, that's not available (or > > if it is, no one knows where to find it). So, on several of my > > more difficult to trace families, I have inserted "/Kerns" or > > "/SeaHunt" for the placenames. This avoids my having to make so > > many clicks and obscure the part I'm checking to open the NOTES > > to check it. It makes a lot more work for me when I printout to > > share, because I have to edit that, but it makes MY working life > > easier. Point, such as it is, being, what you do in your working > > files is no one's business but yours UNTIL you start publishing > > to the web or to paper, or even in a GED when the prevailing > > standard should be identified and met.] > > > > Cheryl > > I'm certain you are more famliar with PAF than I am. I just started > using PAF 4 for a new project and found d-clicking on a person did > basically the same thing as L-click or 2 on the Principle Person did > in PAF 2.31. With PAF 4 it doesn't show notes, as in 2.31, but there's > a Notes button along with 3 others. True, Don, but it's those first 6 lines of the notes where I put a lot of my documentation shorthand. (g) I NEED to see those while I can *also* see the individual summary. Apparently SLC thought my memory is alot better than it is. (g) Cheryl

On 19 Jan 2002, WILLIAM M. LEITNER wrote: > > HAS anyone had experience looking at the world war 1 draft registration > cards for family info? The only experience I've had is at the SW branch of the archives in Fort Worth. There they have film of the cards for TX, AR, LA, OK, and NM. They are difficult to read. You definitely need a magnifying glass. > Do yoou know where one can look at these records? My understanding is that archive branches only have the ones for their region, except that the branch in Atlanta has all of them. I assume these are all identical to the rolls of film you can also order through the LDS Family History Centers. > One of the items that might be of great interest is a line thatt reads > Father's exact place of birth (including town in old country, if immigrant. Yes, it would be of great interest, but I haven't seen such a line on any of the cards I've looked at. What I've seen are name, address, age, occupation, next of kin, and physical description. There was more than one (three?) registrations and the cards were slightly different for each one. Perhaps they also used different cards in different parts of the country. I don't know. > Has anyone found this line filled in and useful to them in do8ng research > of their families? What I've found most useful is that they give the full name and the birthdate of the person. --

Richard A. Pence wrote: > > "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > news:3C42E6FC.723752EB@erols.com... > > Actually, no, it isn't. GEDCOM was proposed for that reason, but > > for reasons of economic clout, the development was largely at the > > instance of the LDS church *because* it was an easy way for LDS > > members to get the necessary parts of their data (name, date, > > place) out of the genealogy program and into the Temple system. > > And, for that to work properly, the format of the places has to > > go small to large (otherwise the IGI shows Chev* instead of > > Maryl). Non-LDS genealogists began using it to move data from > > this program to that, with the results we've discussed here > > before -- to wit, strange things happen to normal people. > > In the interest of historical accuracy, what we now know as GEDCOM was > developed by the LDS church as an internal tool to assist in transferring > data from personal computers to its main frame computer. Later, the > specification were made public so other developers could incorporate them as > a method of transferring data. In the beginning, the GEDCOM utilities were > "approved" by LDS, but this approval did not mean that the program > accurately implemented the specification, merely that the output of a > program's GEDCOM utility was approved as a vehicle for submitting data to > the LDS's Ancestral File. > > As for the entering of place names, I have noted that (at least in the old > days when manuals were printed! <G>), each program gave considerable detail > on how these should be entered. Anyone who followed directions shouldn't > have had any trouble and, by golly, I think if you wanted "USA" understood, > you could allow for that in your data entry without worrying about what > happened when you exported information. (And, even if there isn't such a > provision in every program, there are workarounds to get there.) > > Regards, > Richard Somehow, I thought that's what I said, but Richard's proven me wrong before, so ... Thank you for the clarification. (G) [And just to muddy waters (remember him?) a little more -- in PAF 2.x there was a keystroke that allowed you to see a summary of the individual, name of spouse, names of parents *AND* the first 6 lines of the NOTES. In PAF 3 and up, that's not available (or if it is, no one knows where to find it). So, on several of my more difficult to trace families, I have inserted "/Kerns" or "/SeaHunt" for the placenames. This avoids my having to make so many clicks and obscure the part I'm checking to open the NOTES to check it. It makes a lot more work for me when I printout to share, because I have to edit that, but it makes MY working life easier. Point, such as it is, being, what you do in your working files is no one's business but yours UNTIL you start publishing to the web or to paper, or even in a GED when the prevailing standard should be identified and met.] Cheryl

"Buffys97" <buffys97@one.net> wrote in message news:u4grhh5341bq74@corp.supernews.com... > > I am >snip> > How does the Association of Professional Genealogists fit in? They do > not seem to be a certifying or accreditating agency, but a group that > anyone "interested" can join? According to Genealogical Web Site Watchdog "The Association of Professional Genealogists is a membership organization, not a testing body. Members share experiences and insight through chapter meetings, Round Tables at national conferences, and the Association of Professional Genealogists Quarterly. " http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#License > > Maybe I should just keep genealogy as a hobby (-: and forget about all > this other stuff. > Depends on what you want! Robert Jerin