"dnc in tennessee" <dnc_tn@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3c6479a6.103298778@news... > On The Date Of Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:09:18 -0500, Mike Curtis > <mcurtis@gopinnacle.com> Wrote The Followng: >> > Hmmmm, Man I need a kick in the pants to help me decide. That is inexpensive, providing you don't ruin your clothes<g>. Seriously, I think it depends on a lot of issues and what Ancestry has to offer. For me, they have little that would interest me as my research is in Quebec and Italy. Besides, I find it fun to look at these old records and see where my ancestor signed a birth certificate or possibly had to pay a fine for ripping someone off. In addition, the best data is that taken from actual records, not from someone else's database. There are some terrific researchers out there who quite accurate in their research, but for every good one, there might be a 1000 who take stuff found on the internet as gospel and then pass it off to someone who also thinks the data is accurate. It may be, but then again, it may not. Your call. Myself, I prefer quality over quantity. Of course, I only live 3 miles from one of the FHC locations and it only takes a few weeks to obtain a microfilm that I can view myself. My nickle's worth. Dick

dnc in tennessee wrote: > > I wish they would allow a "sample" of a search so I would > get an idea of what I would be buying from them > > So, anyone already subscribed to ancestry.com and are happy > or very happy? > > ancestry.com claims to have marriage records for dates that > I would have to go to the court house in person to get. > If this is true then It might even be worth it. > > I'm just very worried that I might be wasting my money. > > Please give some guidance if you can. > > Thanks, I've been fairly happy with my membership since I'm in the middle of nowhere and do 90% of my research online. I also use Cyndi's list a lot, Rootsweb, GenWeb, etc. As was mentioned, the site is mostly useful to those whose research is primarily in the USA since their foreign databases are nearly nonexistent. I pay the extra for the US Census images which have helped me tremendously. I was lucky enough to find one page where ancestors were not only listed but the census taker, whose affirmation was on the same page, was my g-g-grandfather. Whether it would be worth it for you, I don't know. Maybe you could try the trial version (which won't include the census images) to get a feel for it. Just be very sure to cancel before the trial period is up if you decide you don't think it's worth it. Gabrielle David in Ajo, Arizona

dnc in tennessee wrote: > > I guess what I am asking is , is a $129 subscription for one > year to the whole site something I might regret? Only you can answer that question. Genealogically speaking, maybe you should ask yourself how you would spend the money otherwise. Then decide which route you want to take. Good luck. Mike Curtis

ancestry.com is advertised on nearly every page I see when searching for records. I decided to do a search on their site and it came up with literally hundreds of answers. ancestry.com has a fee, the one I would "want" is that $120+ subscription. Questions 1. Do you subscribe to ancestry.com and does it really have things that cannot be found online? I do not want to spend that much money only to find the information the same quality or worse quality than I've already found on my own. I wish they would allow a "sample" of a search so I would get an idea of what I would be buying from them So, anyone already subscribed to ancestry.com and are happy or very happy? ancestry.com claims to have marriage records for dates that I would have to go to the court house in person to get. If this is true then It might even be worth it. I'm just very worried that I might be wasting my money. Please give some guidance if you can. Thanks,

dnc in tennessee wrote: > Please give some guidance if you can. I have never actually subscribed to Ancestry.com, though I had access to their database for a year. This came about as a result of donating money to Rootsweb shortly before they were acquired by Ancestry. Donors were given free access to the database as a result. The time period may have been based on the amount that had been donated to Rootsweb, but I don't know that for a fact. One major benefit I had was that Ancestry never had my credit card number so they couldn't auto-renew my membership. I really dislike that policy. My magazine subscriptions don't do it, my genealogy society memberships don't do it, nowhere else in my life am I auto-renewed for anything. It is the primary reason I am not an Ancestry subscriber right now. If you decide to sign on the dotted line, read the cancellation policy very carefully. You may want to read some old threads on this topic too - they won't be hard to find because it comes up all the time. Is it worth the price? That depends on what you are looking for. I can tell you that in one year's time I never took a single name or date from any of their databases to add to my genealogy database. So did I get anything out of it? You bet! I collected tons of stuff from the PERSI database, then had a field day when I went to the Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, IN. I found a couple of listings for my third great grandfather Edwin HYDE related to his Civil War activity. Because of this information I was able to find the 1890 NY Civil War Veterans Schedule and find him on it. I also was able to use the information to send to NARA for his pension file. From that I ended a 20 year quest (mostly my aunt's - not mine) to identify my third great grandmother's maiden name. NONE of this information came directly from the Ancestry database, but it ALL came about because of the clues I did find there. These are just two of many examples where I found clues through Ancestry that ultimately furthered my research. I want to emphasize the word CLUES here. There were no original records in Ancestry's database at the time (pre-digitized census). If you are comfortable adding information to your genealogy based on database transcriptions, you will be happy with Ancestry. If you want to use the database to find helpful clues you will be happy. If you expect to find original records so you don't have to make a trip to the courthouse you will be very disappointed. They aren't there. Would I sign up again someday? Maybe. I would include the census subscription if I did so. Ancestry may have to change some of their policies before I jump in again though. Two other comments come to mind... First, I am taking a very parochial (American) view in my comments here. I have heard many people from other countries say the databases within Ancestry aren't very helpful. I can't comment on that. Second, you say that you wish you could try out a few searches to see what you get before actually buying. Many libraries have subscriptions to AncestryPlus. I know many if not all public libraries in Michigan do (at least in the metro Detroit area). I know the library in Greenville, SC does. I don't know about places in Tennessee, which is where I assume you are from. If you are near Knoxville, Chatanooga, Nashville or Memphis you might want to check with libraries in those areas. Try it out then decide for yourself. Good luck. Mike Curtis

Dear Everybody! The US Consulate & Embassy in Miami has just posted a travel advisory warning to & for all US citizens not to travel to the following 3rd world country: Miami! Remember? Eisenhower declared it was to be shared with Cuba in 1959, but the bums kept it after 1 Jan 1959! The rest was cut to smithereens & parcelled out to Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama, Honduras, Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia, Venezuela, Chile, Bolivia, Peru, definitely ad infinitem, on or about the year 1990. Wuh happen to de pepo from Eucador, Costa Rica, Belize, El Salvador, Mexico, Guyana? I donno! I gotta nuf twuable avoiding being stepped on (litterally & figuratively) by de utters both in the street & at the jobsite! Please remember that the only mafia in town is still the Italian or Asian one. (I cite or incite the FBI home page for North Miami, donno witch) The decision the US consulate in Miami was based upon my allegations of terrorism against American Tourists. Please promulgate (spread?) the above info asap! Please be advised that, due to the high awareness level here based upon the concept of politcal correctness (read:politcal corruptness), I can't divulge the name of the government! Thanks for the phone calls dough, although people should stop asking for the name of the hotel! I can't give it out because I've reported what's been going on to the US attorney. (yes, they are still permitted to maintain offices here!) Well actually, I reported it by phone & fax to US territory north of here in FT Lauderdale. In fact the US attorney was just on TV. We are still permitted to recieve US TV signals, at least as of today! If phone lines are cut to the US, I will most definitely be up the creek without a paddle to beam-up! Please contact your US representative & senator now (as we speak?) & ask him/her to boycott Miami & Miami-Dade County. If s/he doesn't know where it is, tell him/her to check the map. It's the fungus stuck onto the south end of Florida! Thanks & please stop asking the name of the hotel because that'll mess up the investigation!! duh! The big ones is involved as we speak, so let's stop speakin' about the hotel name &address, otay? Help! eugene nero 1790 S treasure dr apt 2c miami beach, FU 33141 305 993 5023 enn51@att.net http://www.angelfire.com/de2/thomasgen/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/de2/thomasgen/Eugene.html

Dear all, Please find below my current surname interests which I am researching in the UK. If anyone out there thinks they have a family connection, or any additional information to contribute to my research, please get in touch through my website, where a considerable amount of back-up data and further details are stored. Surname Location WALLACE/WALLIS Lillington/Foleshill, Warwickshire ROULSTONE and variations Derbyshire - Nottingham - Sheffield HARRIS Gretton, Northamptonshire PANTIN / PANTING Ramsden, Oxfordshire EYRE Heanor, Derbyshire NEWARK Suffolk - Norfolk Roulstone Genealogy Website : http://www.roulstone.net Many thanks for taking time to read the above. Simon. -- The Roulstone Family Genealogy Site. Researching: ROULSTONE, WALLACE, EYRE, NEWARK, PANTIN http://www.roulstone.net Please remove spamkill from roulstone.net if replying by email.

(G) Good choice. If I may recommend it, the USGenWeb Census project, housed at www.rootsweb.com, will provide spreadsheet templates for use in return for the finished product. And the USGenWeb Census project gets more attention than anyone's private URL. Cheryl dnc in tennessee wrote: > > Maybe I'll just pick a old census, 1860 or so. > > I'll take my time and do it right. And when I am done make > it public domain so no money hungry company can charge for > it. > > Well, who would buy it if it were free is a better way to > put it. > > On The Date Of Thu, 07 Feb 2002 15:52:41 -0500, Singhals > <singhals@erols.com> Wrote The Followng: > > ->dnc in tennessee wrote: > -> > ->> PS How much time do you think it would take me to fully > ->> transcribe the 1900 Hamilton County TN census? > -> > ->How fast can you type? The 1880 CD reports nearly 24,000 > people > ->in Hamilton county (which includes a moderately large > city). I > ->would assume the population rose by at least 50% over the > next 20 > ->years. > -> > ->It took me over one work-month to key in "most" of the > data for a > ->county of roughly 12,000 on the 1850 (I omitted the > literacy and > ->schooling columns since they didn't matter to my purpose > in > ->creating the database). Another couple work-weeks to > clean up > ->places in the beginning where I'd used ?? for > difficult-to-read > ->items. > -> > ->Cheryl

Dear Carnivale, Indeed day do now call Dade county Miami-Dade county! Wow! I'm sure it's changed a lot since then. Fortunately, I live in the county only, not in the city. I live on a beautiful! island in Biscayne bay from whose vantage point it all looks (I did say Looks!) so wonderful. From the balcony full of tomato (e-less, Dan!) plants, gardenias, purslane, prayer plants, tropical cannas, ad infinitem, I just say "NO", (thanks, Nancy), to the madness that beckons from the west! Madness is right on! Wednesday night at 8:10, I was fired from a job at a top-ranked hotel in downtown Miami. Rank is pivotal word here. Reason: too much whistle blowing, of course! The reader knows me by now. I had been helping with the hotel's guest victims' problems caused by the criminal elmenent: the staff, administration & owners. They're all foreigners and strident anti-Americans. Mind you, I have nothing against law-abiding, constitution-understanding, equal rights-respecting foreigners. In fact, from the gazillion docs I've seen, I'm related to some! But these ones go too far! Americans don't have to go out of the country to be abused. They can enjoy said experience right here in Miami, the one in Miami-Dade County!! The Americans they especially hate and constantly stick it to are the non-Spanish speaking ones. Boy do they go away stucked!!! Their scam is very well done & it produces beaucoup $$$$. They've got 150 rooms, minus 1 suite where the a-- hole AWAB owner from Chelsea, London, England, orchestrates his sado-masochistic bad & gettin' badder business practices. Their prime victims are older, gentler Americans who won't make a scene & who will run away with their tails between their legs. The owner won't mess with the cruise line groups cuz he knows they'll blacklist him in a NY nanominute! What's the scam? Orders are at the reception front desk, that when occupancy reaches 85% to just say NO! to all cheap reservations, even though they were reserved, paid, confirmed & reconfirmed! Why because they can bait & switch that room which they rented for $89 and miraculously (no pun intended for those of religious beliefs) into a wahpping (sorry, Italians, that one was a Neronian slip!) $189. "Sorry, but we don't have any paperwork on your reservation or payment. We never recieved it." Where do day put all the elderly American couples? Where else in the Swappiest hotel in all of greater (or lesser) downtown Miami, the Everglades located 8 blocks away on Biscayne blvd. We are further ordered that, since these poor USA Yanks or Rebels aren't and never have technically been our guests, they cannot use our courtesy (or is it discourtesy) phone to call for help!! Talk about revisionism!! This takes the boat! Do you have any idea how humiliated, embarrased, shamed I was to have to explain & smooth over the owner's decision to all those retirees from OH, PA, MI, MA. Now if the victims were younger & could possibly raise the roof, the staff was ordered to feign a double-take with the company line: "Okay, let me check in the back office! Oh, yes, here's your reservation, right here! Sorry, for the mixup." I went to the Miami Police about this 'issue' yesterday & I was told that it wasn't within their jurisdiction. If the reader can direct me to a forum (sorry, another Neronian slip) from which this info can be broadcast, I and, I suspect, many other Americans would be most appreciative. Welcome to Miami? Eugene Nero--Il Turismo Genealogico 305 993 5023 Friday, 8 Feb 2002 10:40am EST http://www.angelfire.com/de2/thomasgen/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/de2/thomasgen/Eugene.html

Maybe I'll just pick a old census, 1860 or so. I'll take my time and do it right. And when I am done make it public domain so no money hungry company can charge for it. Well, who would buy it if it were free is a better way to put it. On The Date Of Thu, 07 Feb 2002 15:52:41 -0500, Singhals <singhals@erols.com> Wrote The Followng: ->dnc in tennessee wrote: -> ->> PS How much time do you think it would take me to fully ->> transcribe the 1900 Hamilton County TN census? -> ->How fast can you type? The 1880 CD reports nearly 24,000 people ->in Hamilton county (which includes a moderately large city). I ->would assume the population rose by at least 50% over the next 20 ->years. -> ->It took me over one work-month to key in "most" of the data for a ->county of roughly 12,000 on the 1850 (I omitted the literacy and ->schooling columns since they didn't matter to my purpose in ->creating the database). Another couple work-weeks to clean up ->places in the beginning where I'd used ?? for difficult-to-read ->items. -> ->Cheryl

Thanks Guy. Appreciate the reply. I have a colleague who is also using Viewer 2 on both desktop and laptop PC's (same OS - 2000) and he has it working on the desktop PC but not the laptop. Curious. As you say it may be something to do with the hardware configuration. Regards Lesley "Guy Etchells" <guy.etchells@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3C6242BD.53BE2865@virgin.net... > If viewer 2 is working on your computer with XP there should be no > problems. > From what I have heard (I don't have a copy of XP to try myself) some > users suffer from problems using Viewer 2 & 3 with XP, yet others claim > it runs perfectly. > > That suggests to me that the problems depends not only on the viewer & > operating system but also the hardware used, possibly allocation of > memory or even graphics card. > > I have never had any problems running any of the viewers on various > computers even when networked together. > > Whenever I change any setting I make a note of the original setting > first so that if my attempt fails I can change everything back to how it > started. > Cheers > Guy > > -- > Wakefield England > > http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells Transcripts, Parish > Records, Calendar, Scaleable Map of Uk. Link to LDS website, > Abbreviations, Returns of Owners of Lands etc. etc. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/dh/ Whitefield > Transcripts, Etch/ells Transcripts > http://gye.future.easyspace.com Worldwide Cemetery Links, Monumental > Inscriptions, War Graves, etc. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/framland/york.htm > Yorkshire Pages, Photos, and transcripts with a Yorkshire flavour > > > > Interesting thread this as I made enquiries through the LDS in Birmingham on > > Monday about Viewer 3 or 4 for 1881. They said that neither was available > > for 1881 although the US LDS had replied to my email query saying that I > > could upgrade to Viewer 4. > > > > Guy - I am running Viewer 2 on XP and am not having any problems. I wonder > > should I have said that and am now tempting fate! I was about to try your > > instructions for using both DVD and CD-ROM drives. Do you know of any > > reason why this shouldn't work with XP? > > > > Regards > > > > Lesley > > > > >

> > I'm having trouble reading an entry for Occupation in the 1920 census. > > > > The relevant portion of the page is at: > > http://dkenfield.home.mindspring.com/graphics/blowup.jpg > > > > The line below the "none" entry is the problem. > > > > It looks to me like the first word is "Examiner" and the third word is > > "House." > > > > Second word? Meaning? It makes little sense to me. > > > > This is a Russian Jewish family in the Lower East Side of Manhattan. > > Taking clues from the words I could read, it looks like the 2nd word is > "waist" although I don't know what a "waist house" would be! > > See the way the "W" was written on line 99? (Waiter in restaurant) > Although what I think *might* be a "T" at the end of that work isn't > written as open in the listings you show. The letter in the next column > is most likely a "w" for "worker" as opposed to the "emp" for employer. > > I did a google search for "waist house" - you don't want to know what 3 > of the 5 hits related to - but I did see one genealogy site that was a > transcription from an 1870 census for Moore, Northampton Co, PA - the > person was a clerk in a waist house. > > So I guess now the trick is to find out what a waist house is!!! > > Sherry I found the same Google results -- including the <blush> unmentionable ones -- however I pushed a bit futher with "waist" and found at least three instances of a shirtwaist factory using the term "waist". This one http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/57/ is about a tragic fire -- it gives a description of what was in the building. I think it's a safe bet the waist house was a shirtwaist factory. Maybe search business directories for the area for that time period. As for the ending "t", look at the "t" on student on line 84. It's a bit more the same style. Gabrielle David Ajo, Arizona

NICHOLSON UK> Canada /Michigan, GOHEEN,JACKSON, CLYDSDALE, Original Immigrants from UK to Canada and USA were: 2. William Nicholson b. 30/7/1825 Cumrew UK d. 22/4/1907 Canada m. Jane Jackson of Kirkoswald b. 16/4/1840 d. 31/3/1918 Canada 9 children William went to Australia, then to Sarnia, Ontario, Canada/ 6. Henry Nicholson b. 24/4/1836 England d. 23/3/1895 Valley Centre, Michigan 12 children born Ontariao Canada. Places associated with some branches of this family: Valley Centre, Michigan, Ontario, Brown City Pt Huron, Michigan We have names of some of the children and grandchildren of these people. Furthest back ancestors are: Joseph Nicholson "husbandman" m. Isabella Ellwood on 19/11/1822 at Newton Reigny, near Penrith UK b. 12/3/1801 at Lazonby, Cumberland UK b. April 1794 Cumrew, Cumberland UK d. 1872 Mooretown, Ontario, Canada d. July 1862 Penrith UK Liz please reply lizr_pt@ hotmail.com

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dnc in tennessee wrote: > PS How much time do you think it would take me to fully > transcribe the 1900 Hamilton County TN census? How fast can you type? The 1880 CD reports nearly 24,000 people in Hamilton county (which includes a moderately large city). I would assume the population rose by at least 50% over the next 20 years. It took me over one work-month to key in "most" of the data for a county of roughly 12,000 on the 1850 (I omitted the literacy and schooling columns since they didn't matter to my purpose in creating the database). Another couple work-weeks to clean up places in the beginning where I'd used ?? for difficult-to-read items. Cheryl

dnc in tennessee <dnc_tn@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3c615594.73545190@news... : I am wanting to purchase transcribed census cd's [not images : because most are scanned out of focus and I cannot read them : no matter how much I zoom or what filter I use]. : : So, where do I buy transcribed census cd's? : And, is their a kind soul who already owns one who would be : willing to do a few searches for me? : : Thanks, : Well, if you can't read the films, what makes you think a transcriber can? What do you expect to gain from a transcription? Donna

At risk of repeating myself Birmingham do not have Viewer 4. They had expected to receive it by now but so far it has not turned up. This is checked as of a few minutes ago. Gordon Betts "Guy Etchells" <guy.etchells@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3C62335C.86DDCF42@virgin.net... > Certainly not Birmingham announced they were going to sell Viewer 4 as a > seperate item last year (October). > It was available from the Preston centre in September/October when the > Preston FHS fair was held as I called there after the fair and purchased > a copy. > I have noticed occassionally helpers at Birmingham are not fully up to > speed with the latest releases, possibly they are helping out from other > departments. > Cheers > Guy > -- > Wakefield England > > http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells Transcripts, Parish > Records, Calendar, Scaleable Map of Uk. Link to LDS website, > Abbreviations, Returns of Owners of Lands etc. etc. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/dh/ Whitefield > Transcripts, Etch/ells Transcripts > http://gye.future.easyspace.com Worldwide Cemetery Links, Monumental > Inscriptions, War Graves, etc. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/framland/york.htm > Yorkshire Pages, Photos, and transcripts with a Yorkshire flavour > > > > I spoke at length with LDS in UK yesterday and was sold a copy of Viewer 3 > > which though not available anymore separately is still bundled at no extra > > cost with the Mormon Disk. They made no mention of the existence of Viewer 4 > > so I assume it is a case of UK being behind US again and would need to be > > ordered directly from USA if wanted in hurry. I will be interested in seeing > > how Viewer 3 performs differently from Viewer 2 and how Viewer 4 performs > > differently from the other two when I can lay my hand on it but I feel that > > I should observe that for anyone wanting to run the standard issue (with > > 1881 Census) Viewer 2 with WindowsXp they should have no worries: it > > performs perfectly well as far as I can see and the only reason that I would > > try the others is that I am one of those inveterate fiddlers and twiddler > > who will try anything 17 times.. > > > > Gordon > > >

At risk of repeating myself Birmingham do not have Viewer 4. They had expected to receive it by now but so far it has not turned up. This is checked as of a few minutes ago. Gordon Betts "Guy Etchells" <guy.etchells@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3C62335C.86DDCF42@virgin.net... > Certainly not Birmingham announced they were going to sell Viewer 4 as a > seperate item last year (October). > It was available from the Preston centre in September/October when the > Preston FHS fair was held as I called there after the fair and purchased > a copy. > I have noticed occassionally helpers at Birmingham are not fully up to > speed with the latest releases, possibly they are helping out from other > departments. > Cheers > Guy > -- > Wakefield England > > http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells Transcripts, Parish > Records, Calendar, Scaleable Map of Uk. Link to LDS website, > Abbreviations, Returns of Owners of Lands etc. etc. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/dh/ Whitefield > Transcripts, Etch/ells Transcripts > http://gye.future.easyspace.com Worldwide Cemetery Links, Monumental > Inscriptions, War Graves, etc. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/framland/york.htm > Yorkshire Pages, Photos, and transcripts with a Yorkshire flavour > > > > I spoke at length with LDS in UK yesterday and was sold a copy of Viewer 3 > > which though not available anymore separately is still bundled at no extra > > cost with the Mormon Disk. They made no mention of the existence of Viewer 4 > > so I assume it is a case of UK being behind US again and would need to be > > ordered directly from USA if wanted in hurry. I will be interested in seeing > > how Viewer 3 performs differently from Viewer 2 and how Viewer 4 performs > > differently from the other two when I can lay my hand on it but I feel that > > I should observe that for anyone wanting to run the standard issue (with > > 1881 Census) Viewer 2 with WindowsXp they should have no worries: it > > performs perfectly well as far as I can see and the only reason that I would > > try the others is that I am one of those inveterate fiddlers and twiddler > > who will try anything 17 times.. > > > > Gordon > > >

Hello, My name is Jan Brugge and I am living in the Netherlands. My attention is focused on to map out the family Brugge in Groningen. This branch is originally from Germany. Around 1758, probably in the place Haren-Münsterland. My Great-Great Grandfather Berend Hendriks, a tailor he married Helena (Leentje) Jans on the 16th of November 1781 in a Catholic church in Kleinemeer. This is a hamlet near Sappemeer. Please help me to find people with the family name Brugge and have relation with the Netherlands - Groningen. See for a little impression my Homepage My Regards Jan Brugge http://members.home.nl/jbrugge/ jbrugge@home.nl

If viewer 2 is working on your computer with XP there should be no problems. From what I have heard (I don't have a copy of XP to try myself) some users suffer from problems using Viewer 2 & 3 with XP, yet others claim it runs perfectly. That suggests to me that the problems depends not only on the viewer & operating system but also the hardware used, possibly allocation of memory or even graphics card. I have never had any problems running any of the viewers on various computers even when networked together. Whenever I change any setting I make a note of the original setting first so that if my attempt fails I can change everything back to how it started. Cheers Guy -- Wakefield England http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells Transcripts, Parish Records, Calendar, Scaleable Map of Uk. Link to LDS website, Abbreviations, Returns of Owners of Lands etc. etc. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/dh/ Whitefield Transcripts, Etch/ells Transcripts http://gye.future.easyspace.com Worldwide Cemetery Links, Monumental Inscriptions, War Graves, etc. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~framland/framland/york.htm Yorkshire Pages, Photos, and transcripts with a Yorkshire flavour > Interesting thread this as I made enquiries through the LDS in Birmingham on > Monday about Viewer 3 or 4 for 1881. They said that neither was available > for 1881 although the US LDS had replied to my email query saying that I > could upgrade to Viewer 4. > > Guy - I am running Viewer 2 on XP and am not having any problems. I wonder > should I have said that and am now tempting fate! I was about to try your > instructions for using both DVD and CD-ROM drives. Do you know of any > reason why this shouldn't work with XP? > > Regards > > Lesley > >