http://www.danlo.com/cramer contains a database that I have been creating of early American gunsmiths. This isn't going to give birth or death dates, but you may find that it provides some useful pointers to sources that can give you a bit more information about an ancestor. There are about 1880 entries in the database right now, involving gunsmiths who were active at least partly before 1840. I will be updating it from time to time as I get more entries added. There is no provision for searching for a particular name, so just take the default settings when you ask for a list, and use the Find command in your browser to search for surname, firstname. I am not primarily interested in genealogy (though I can tell you the names of at least one my ancestors in that database--Thomas Nash of New Haven Colony). I am writing a book about gunsmithing and gun manufacturing in early America. If you run into information in a reliable source (primary source or a properly footnoted secondary source) about gunsmith or gun manufacturers in early America, I would appreciate hearing about it, especially if it is someone who is not in the database mentioned above. By the way, before you make any assumptions: there are both female gunsmiths in that list, and African-American gunsmiths as well, some of them slaves, some of them apparently free. clayton@claytoncramer.com

George wrote: > So it appears that my grandmother did not provide the names of her > parents when she applied for her card and that is what I was most > anxious to obtain. IMPORTANT NOTE: If your grandmother was born before about 1920 and never worked outside the home, she may not have ever applied for an SSN. Many of my grandmother's generation had no SSN -- their "retirement" records used their husband's SSN with a letter after it (such as 123-45-6789A). I believe one friend of my mother's has a similar ID on her Medi-care card. I wouldn't be at all surprised that the newer computers don't recognize that amendment, though. Cheryl

"Collene Pearce" <collene@jump.net> wrote in message: > What is the name of the mailing list? > The TMG mail list. That's the main one; there are others, and I don't think they're as active. The only other one I know of is for British users. There's also one for Texas users, I think. Why they wanted their own list, I have no idea. But anyway, to subscribe send an e-mail with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the body of the message, and that only, to: for mail mode: TMG-L-request@rootsweb.com and for the Digest: TMG-D-request@rootsweb.com Mail mode means you get every message as a separate e-mail. Traffic can be heavy at times. Digest combines messages in groups. Sorry if you already know the procedure, but I'd rather be complete in instructions, instead of sorry. Chuck Wolfram

In article <QlPh8.3192$T_.50788@iad-read.news.verio.net>, Paul Havemann <paul@nospam.havemann.com> wrote: ...snipping.... > >There's plenty of other help, too -- a number of very useful >websites run by devoted users. Also, I recommend you subscribe to >the TMG maillist via RootsWeb. TMG can be daunting, especially if >you're not comfortable with its DOS-style interface, and there >are many tips & tricks which are not obvious. >Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com) >Havemann Family History: http://www.havemann.com/ What is the name of the mailing list?

On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:13:46 -0500, George wrote: <snip> > The numident print-out is an official record of the information we have > in our records. You presented some of this information when you applied > for a Social Security card. Only coded items which contain information > will appear on the record. If there is no information on our records for > a particular item, the item will not be shown.. > > So it appears that my grandmother did not provide the names of her > parents when she applied for her card and that is what I was most > anxious to obtain. As a genealogist, you cannot rely on their boilerplate statement that all information on the SS-5 was coded into the computer. (And in fact they don't actually say that, only imply it.) Names of parents are not of great importance insofar as the primary functions of the SSA are concerned and may well have been omitted at some times and places as an expediency. The only way to be sure is to risk your $27 and get a copy of the original.

And you paid $27.00 for that...? The Cranky Genee On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 22:13:46 GMT, "George" <georgema(nospam)@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >Thanks for the replies. They are appreciated. > >I received a letter from the Social Security Administration which says, > >"Enclosed is a computer-prepared statement, called a Numident printout, >containing the personal identifying information given on the above >application for a Social Security number (SS-5). > >In recent years, we have recorded information from original SS-5s onto a >computer record. We have advised agencies that require photocopies of SS-5s >that we will furnish statements instead." > >There was also a sheet attached that says: > >How to read the numident print-out. > >The numident print-out is an official record of the information we have in >our records. You presented some of this information when you applied for a >Social Security card. Only coded items which contain information will appear >on the record. If there is no information on our records for a particular >item, the item will not be shown.. > >So it appears that my grandmother did not provide the names of her parents >when she applied for her card and that is what I was most anxious to obtain. > >Thanks again to all who replied. > >George

Thanks for the replies. They are appreciated. I received a letter from the Social Security Administration which says, "Enclosed is a computer-prepared statement, called a Numident printout, containing the personal identifying information given on the above application for a Social Security number (SS-5). In recent years, we have recorded information from original SS-5s onto a computer record. We have advised agencies that require photocopies of SS-5s that we will furnish statements instead." There was also a sheet attached that says: How to read the numident print-out. The numident print-out is an official record of the information we have in our records. You presented some of this information when you applied for a Social Security card. Only coded items which contain information will appear on the record. If there is no information on our records for a particular item, the item will not be shown.. So it appears that my grandmother did not provide the names of her parents when she applied for her card and that is what I was most anxious to obtain. Thanks again to all who replied. George "DSuarez" <drsuarez@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:1Ryh8.18855$106.1515883@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > George <georgema(nospam)@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:fWvh8.10318$Ek1.1213681@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > : Folks: > : > : Just received the above for my grandmother who went to the > Boston States in > : the 20s. I was trying to verify once and for all what her > mother's maiden > : name was. Unfortunately it was not recorded. The > information shown was > : limited to her birth date and when she applied for a > social insurance > : number. > : > : Regards > : George > : > You need to order a photocopy of the original not a > transcription. > > Donna >

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:03:26 -0500, "Ncred" <marc2g5@hotmail.com> wrote: >Oh, I see. However can you tell me where I should >start to prove I'm descended from my ancestors? I already have informations >about my ancestors, back to 1665. > I would suggest that you address your questions to the rec.heraldry newsgroup as the answer could well depend on your current nationality as well as your ancestors nationality. Don't just ask what are the arms for the name of Gregoire, since you will receive the type of answers that you have received here. Explain what nationality you are, what nationality your ancestors were, in brief how you descend from them and give any reasons why you think that you or they might have right to a coat of arms. The group has a FAQ and an MFAQ posted weekly, that can also be found at www.heraldica.org. It is always worthwhile reviewing what they have to say before posting a query there. Even if you turn out not to have any ancestral arms, there are people on the group that will be only too keen to aid you in designing a new set and able to advise on how an unofficial "self-assumed" coat of arms can become officially recognised. James James Dempster (jdempster@easynet.co.uk) You know you've had a good night when you wake up and someone's outlining you in chalk.

In soc.genealogy.misc Paul R. Andersen <panderse@us.ibm.com> says: : I made a comment yesterday about downloading this software. I ran into : the same probelm refered to here and I thought the tech support was less : than adequate but they did offer to send a CD. The CD came yesterday : and works fine. It appears I did not get charged for the CD or for S&H : since I initially ordered download. It installed and runs fine. I've : used FTM for years and this interface is a quite a bit different so it : will take a while to learn my way around but there seems to be plenty of : help text. There's plenty of other help, too -- a number of very useful websites run by devoted users. Also, I recommend you subscribe to the TMG maillist via RootsWeb. TMG can be daunting, especially if you're not comfortable with its DOS-style interface, and there are many tips & tricks which are not obvious. -- Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com) Havemann Family History: http://www.havemann.com/

In article <BHVg8.517$_9.567331@news20>, Collene Pearce <collene@jump.net> wrote: >Several months ago, I purchased TMG 4.0. because >I had read and had been told by many, that I could >migrate my data from UFT, without losing any of it. Genbridge is part of TMG. You should import the data using File/Import from within TMG. The only reason that Genbridge has a different name is that the software developers make it available for use (presumably for a fee) in other software programs. Paul Bolchover

Hi found this interesting story in a Newcastle newspaper 1850 thought I would share it Forbes family murder other surnames mentioned through text people living in Newcastle on Tyne. http://davekane.tripod.com/execution.html -- CLICK THIS SITE for Tyneside Family History. http://davekane.tripod.com/contents.html

somehow you got in a category of my email called newgroups....I logged on today and there were 500 messages.......how do I get rid of this.......help

George <georgema(nospam)@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:fWvh8.10318$Ek1.1213681@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... : Folks: : : Just received the above for my grandmother who went to the Boston States in : the 20s. I was trying to verify once and for all what her mother's maiden : name was. Unfortunately it was not recorded. The information shown was : limited to her birth date and when she applied for a social insurance : number. : : Regards : George : You need to order a photocopy of the original not a transcription. Donna

George, George, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a "Social Security Numident printout" but if you don't have a copy of the deceased person's form titled Social Security Application For Account Number and you know the Social Security number of the person you are researching you can go to the website listed below at Rootsweb.com and use the person's SS number to get a readout. On the right side of this readout it will show: " SS-5 Letter ". Click on this link and you will see a form that has been generated that you may print and use to order a copy of this persons Application For Account Number. This document should contain the information you seek. The document costs $27 USD. http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi Best regards, Ron On Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:32:59 GMT, "George" <georgema(nospam)@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >Folks: > >Just received the above for my grandmother who went to the Boston States in >the 20s. I was trying to verify once and for all what her mother's maiden >name was. Unfortunately it was not recorded. The information shown was >limited to her birth date and when she applied for a social insurance >number. > >Regards >George > >

Folks: Just received the above for my grandmother who went to the Boston States in the 20s. I was trying to verify once and for all what her mother's maiden name was. Unfortunately it was not recorded. The information shown was limited to her birth date and when she applied for a social insurance number. Regards George

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Someone who looks an awful lot like Ncred <marc2g5@hotmail.com> wrote: > Oh, I see. However can you tell me where I should > start to prove I'm descended from my ancestors? I already have informations > about my ancestors, back to 1665. Well, what are you trying to prove about it, and to whom? If this is about the coat of arms, well, there are folks out there who will sell you one but it's 99.99999995% likely to be bogus. Generally speaking, if you were entitled to one, you'd know. Perhaps if you shared some of the names you're searching for, we could get you pointed in the right direction. Dave Hinz

On 06 Mar 2002 in soc.genealogy.misc, Cindy Schott wrote: > I am hoping to get some ideas on how to proceed with a search I have > for two "lost' ancestors. One was a great uncle, Guido Schott who > disappeared around turn of the century. There are various stories > going around the family that he may have become part of the Boer War. > If that is so, how can I find out if he was a casualty? He may have > joined the Merchant Marines or Texas rangers. How would I proceed with > that? His uncle, Emanuel Louis Schott also disappeared, but that was > around 1875-1880. There was a nephew who was named after him Emanuel, > so a younger E.L. Schott would not be the missing one. How do people > deal with these missing ancestors? I have searched ancestry.com and > LDS pretty extensively. Suggestion 1: make your subject relevant to your query. Check http://www.rootsweb.com/~surnames/goodbad Suggestion 2: give some location information. Boer War = Great Britain in my mind; Texas Rangers is obvious. (BTW, did you check http://www.texasrangers.org/ ?) Merchant Marines is kinda locale non- specific. Suggestion 3: get off the Net and get to your local LDS Family History Center (http://familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp), where they have resources that are *not* online, and people who do this regularly who can help you. -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com

I am hoping to get some ideas on how to proceed with a search I have for two "lost' ancestors. One was a great uncle, Guido Schott who disappeared around turn of the century. There are various stories going around the family that he may have become part of the Boer War. If that is so, how can I find out if he was a casualty? He may have joined the Merchant Marines or Texas rangers. How would I proceed with that? His uncle, Emanuel Louis Schott also disappeared, but that was around 1875-1880. There was a nephew who was named after him Emanuel, so a younger E.L. Schott would not be the missing one. How do people deal with these missing ancestors? I have searched ancestry.com and LDS pretty extensively. Thank you, Cindy Schott

Hudie wrote: > > *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeed.com *** > > Is there anybody there who may be able to give me information about > Schlewecke Luetter Brunswick. My German ancestors came from here and I > would like to see if any information is available on them in Germany. > > Thanks, > > Bill > Sign up for soc.genealogy.german There are lots of Germans there and they've usually been helpful. Cheryl