"Don Nickell" <dnickell@icehouse.net> wrote in message news:3C8AAF34.3C6AEF89@icehouse.net... > > > Lesley Robertson wrote: > > > > "Dennis Tillotsen" <dtilot@rcorg.org> wrote in message > > news:civk8ukik5k8nc1h0b5vna2r6m4877ge4o@4ax.com... > > > Let me get this straight...this guy's comment makes him a biggot? > > > Where do you come from? If you're so quick to judge, what does this > > > make you? > > > > > Did you read the whole message, or just my snipped version? > > Why did you snip anything? It takes more effort to edit his message, to support your reply, than to just simply reply. Snipping is a form of "out of context" quoting. > It seems to be regarded as good manners to only include the bits of the message one is replying to (otherwise you end up fighting your way through miles of old stuff to find a few lines). I didn't think that my reply was controversial enough to require later support - silly me! Lesley Robertson

On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:25:41 GMT, Don Nickell <dnickell@icehouse.net> declaimed the following in soc.genealogy.misc: > I guess I responded as I did as a knee jerk reaction to the many times I've been lectured to about Bottom/Top posting with Uncut quotes. But, it really can misconstrue a thought when message quotes are snipped. > But that is a different matter -- the person snipping not taking the time to ensure a valid context for the remains. It is not a fault of snipping in general. -- > ============================================================== < > wlfraed@ix.netcom.com | Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG < > wulfraed@dm.net | Bestiaria Support Staff < > ============================================================== < > Bestiaria Home Page: http://www.beastie.dm.net/ < > Home Page: http://www.dm.net/~wulfraed/ <

Marie Lees wrote: > > I have traced my family back to 1772 but there is a missing link. > > My family are connected to T&W Lees Hatworks (no longer there of > course). The hat works was set up by two brother Thomas & William. > William later became the Mayor of Stockport. The two brothers came > from a large family. > > My great great grandfather is the nephew of these two brothers and my > cousin and I are almost sure that their sister Martha gave birth to > Alfred when she was only 13. Unfortunately, the birth is definitely > not registered and I am having trouble finding his christening can any > one help me? He was born in 1855. It might help if you told us where this Stockport is. There are at least three in the United States.

I'm a non-member of the church working at one of the libraries. Their sealing process is to allow the spirit of the deceasd the chance to remain a member of the religion they were at the time of death or become a member of the Mormon church. They are not changing the person's religion for them. The names are submitted to the temple & that is where the sealing takes place. If you have any questions, contact the library nearest you & talk it over with one of the members working there. They will not try to convert you. They will be more than glad to answer your questions. That's how I found out the meaning behind their work & procedures. I'm still a member of the Lutheran church. I have no plans of changing. Jo Researching: Eichmann & Papemeyer- Lippe Detmold; Diel- Rhineland; Endras & Meichelbok- Markt-Oberdorf area of Bavaria; Kinzinger- Baden; Weis- Somewhere in Bavaria; Behr- Somewhere in Germany

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Lesley Robertson wrote: > > "Dennis Tillotsen" <dtilot@rcorg.org> wrote in message > news:civk8ukik5k8nc1h0b5vna2r6m4877ge4o@4ax.com... > > Let me get this straight...this guy's comment makes him a biggot? > > Where do you come from? If you're so quick to judge, what does this > > make you? > > > Did you read the whole message, or just my snipped version? Why did you snip anything? It takes more effort to edit his message, to support your reply, than to just simply reply. Snipping is a form of "out of context" quoting. Don > Perhaps I'm just too quick to defend people who get attacked too often by > folk who are happy to use their work at the same time. I don't see phrases > such as "up to their old tricks" as any indication of an open mind. > Think what you like - I don't care. > Lesley Robertson -- ~~~~~ Visit our NICKELL, GAUNCE, MOOTY genealogy Web Page http://nickell.tierranet.com ~~~~~

"Dennis Tillotsen" <dtilot@rcorg.org> wrote in message news:civk8ukik5k8nc1h0b5vna2r6m4877ge4o@4ax.com... > Let me get this straight...this guy's comment makes him a biggot? > Where do you come from? If you're so quick to judge, what does this > make you? > Did you read the whole message, or just my snipped version? Perhaps I'm just too quick to defend people who get attacked too often by folk who are happy to use their work at the same time. I don't see phrases such as "up to their old tricks" as any indication of an open mind. Think what you like - I don't care. Lesley Robertson

"Sitka" <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message news:d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com... > Hello, > I realize that LDS is > doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to > use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. > If I understand it correctly, and family member can arrange for their ancestors to be offered the opportunity in the afterlife to become members of the LDS. They are free to refuse. > Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let > them know that they're claiming some of MY people? > I find it very hard to believe that you are the sole descendant, or that you have all rights over what happens to the records of these people. If any of your fellow descendants are members, they have as much right to proceed in keeping with their beliefs as you do. >Amusingly yours, Actually, no. I'm not amused by bigotry. Lesley Robertson

Thanks for the support old man. I wasn't even going to honor them with a reply. When somone already has all of the answers, it's a waste of time. On Sat, 09 Mar 2002 16:29:04 -0500, Dennis Tillotsen <dtilot@rcorg.org> wrote: >Let me get this straight...this guy's comment makes him a biggot? >Where do you come from? If you're so quick to judge, what does this >make you? > >D > >On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:03:46 +0100, "Lesley Robertson" ><l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: > >> >>"Sitka" <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message >>news:d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com... >>> Hello, >>> I realize that LDS is >>> doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to >>> use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. >>> >>If I understand it correctly, and family member can arrange for their >>ancestors to be offered the opportunity in the afterlife to become members >>of the LDS. They are free to refuse. >> >>> Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let >>> them know that they're claiming some of MY people? >>> >>I find it very hard to believe that you are the sole descendant, or that you >>have all rights over what happens to the records of these people. If any of >>your fellow descendants are members, they have as much right to proceed in >>keeping with their beliefs as you do. >> >>>Amusingly yours, >> >>Actually, no. I'm not amused by bigotry. >>Lesley Robertson >> >>

Sitka wrote: > find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they > are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! Please. Watch your mouth. > These folks were Danish > Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning > church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in You need to hear more; you don't seem to have understood the concept the first time through. "Original Temple Records" means : no paper documents. These entries were taken directly from LDS Temple Records of activities performed on behalf of the dead. > Does anybody have any suggestions? Get over it. Or, if that's not on your agenda, quit using their records -- what the eye doesn't see, the mind doesn't grieve over. Cheryl

Let me get this straight...this guy's comment makes him a biggot? Where do you come from? If you're so quick to judge, what does this make you? D On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:03:46 +0100, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote: > >"Sitka" <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message >news:d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com... >> Hello, >> I realize that LDS is >> doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to >> use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. >> >If I understand it correctly, and family member can arrange for their >ancestors to be offered the opportunity in the afterlife to become members >of the LDS. They are free to refuse. > >> Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let >> them know that they're claiming some of MY people? >> >I find it very hard to believe that you are the sole descendant, or that you >have all rights over what happens to the records of these people. If any of >your fellow descendants are members, they have as much right to proceed in >keeping with their beliefs as you do. > >>Amusingly yours, > >Actually, no. I'm not amused by bigotry. >Lesley Robertson > >

Anyone needing info from Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada - let me know and I will look it up for you. Gayle Oleksiak

"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message news:a6dfb0$jkv$1@news.tudelft.nl... > > "Sitka" <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message > news:d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com... [snip] > I find it very hard to believe that you are the sole descendant, or that you > have all rights over what happens to the records of these people. If any of > your fellow descendants are members, they have as much right to proceed in > keeping with their beliefs as you do. > > >Amusingly yours, > > Actually, no. I'm not amused by bigotry. > Lesley Robertson Loved you last remark. Celia

Hello, We can all admit that the LDS web site is full of great information for genealogists. It seems that if I stay away for a month or two, I come back and find out something else for my surnames. Just recently, this was the case. I found out a slew of information on one of my Dad's cousins plus all 3 of his wives and childern. This was a nice find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! These folks were Danish Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let them know that they're claiming some of MY people? Amusingly yours, Bill

While work is done for the dead, there is no requirement for the dead to accept the work. The threefold mission of the church: 1. Strengthen the Saints. 2. Share the Gospel. 3. Redeem the dead. Reply or query one of the "Mormon" newsgroups for more information. Or, ask your local missionaries in for questions (g). More below inline. [some snipping] > find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they > are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! These folks were Danish > Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning > church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in > Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it You may not be the only descendant of these people. Some of the other descendants may be members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and those people may be the ones that submitted the names for Temple work. > looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is > doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to > use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. They are not being claimed as "Mormons", their temple work be done for them, but it is up to them to decide whether or not to accept it. [remainder snipped]

In article <tdZh8.36$vI6.6671554@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>, Chuck Wolfram <cwolfram@prodigy.net> wrote: > >"Collene Pearce" <collene@jump.net> wrote in message: > >> What is the name of the mailing list? >> >The TMG mail list. That's the main one; there are others, and I don't think ..... Thank you. I foundit and joined. :-)

Would SKS tell me how to get the Griffiths Index CD-rom to work. I have the Family Archive Viewer installed but cannot work out how to install the Griffiths cd if it needs installing at all or how to get the thing to open if no installation is required. All I can see on the Griffiths cd files is an Epoc installation file which has little to do with pc operation and several data files but no setup file. Any help will be appreciated I'm using IE6 and Windows XP Home edition. Brian

At 03:05 AM 3/9/2002 +0000, Brian <certsnsearches@ireland.com> wrote: >Would SKS tell me how to get the Griffiths Index CD-rom to work. I have the Family Archive Viewer installed but cannot work out how to install the Griffiths cd if it needs installing at all or how to get the thing to open if no installation is required.... Is it the "An Index to Griffith's Valuation, 1848-1864" CD-ROM, sold by GPC, that you're trying to read? If so, you may want to read the review of it published nearly four years ago in the newsletter of the British Interest Group of Wisconsin and Illinois (BIGWILL). The BIGWILL home page is <http://rootsweb.com/~wiilbig/>; click on the link to "Reviews of books and CD-ROMs related to British Isles Genealogy," then go to the title index. This index is alphabetically arranged; look in the I's (Index). The reviewer discussed the limitations of the viewing software and the fact that searching worked much better with later versions of the viewing software. Rollie Littlewood BIGWILL webmaster

C'est Moi wrote: > > Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in > news:3C88C8D9.5996FDD5@erols.com: > > > IMPORTANT NOTE: If your grandmother was born before about 1920 > > and never worked outside the home, she may not have ever applied > > for an SSN. Many of my grandmother's generation had no SSN -- > > their "retirement" records used their husband's SSN with a letter > > after it (such as 123-45-6789A). I believe one friend of my > > mother's has a similar ID on her Medi-care card. > > Actually, a letter "A" after the SSN on a Medicare card refers to the > fact that the SSN is that of the insured. This code is ONLY for > Medicare, not Social Security benefits. > > Example - grandma is getting her Medicare through Grandpa. > > Grandpa would be 123-45-6789A > Grandma would be 123-45-6789B > > unless Grandpa is deceased then grandma would be 123-45-6789D > > There are numerous other designators for Medicare numbers depending on > the type of Medicare the person has - Railroad Retirement benefits, etc. > To complicate the issue, some designators are in front of the number. > > I used to work in medical billing..... > > Sherry Thanks, Sherry. It's been too long, and I had a hard time remembering, in the first place, whether the card holder had a letter and the dependent was A or whether the cardholder was A and the dependent B, or the OTHER way 'round... (g) Cheryl

Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in news:3C88C8D9.5996FDD5@erols.com: > IMPORTANT NOTE: If your grandmother was born before about 1920 > and never worked outside the home, she may not have ever applied > for an SSN. Many of my grandmother's generation had no SSN -- > their "retirement" records used their husband's SSN with a letter > after it (such as 123-45-6789A). I believe one friend of my > mother's has a similar ID on her Medi-care card. Actually, a letter "A" after the SSN on a Medicare card refers to the fact that the SSN is that of the insured. This code is ONLY for Medicare, not Social Security benefits. Example - grandma is getting her Medicare through Grandpa. Grandpa would be 123-45-6789A Grandma would be 123-45-6789B unless Grandpa is deceased then grandma would be 123-45-6789D There are numerous other designators for Medicare numbers depending on the type of Medicare the person has - Railroad Retirement benefits, etc. To complicate the issue, some designators are in front of the number. I used to work in medical billing..... Sherry