Hello, I have been trying to track down a GG grandfather who left the UK in 1895. I found his Ellis Island entry so went to the next US Census to find where he was living in 1900. This is sort of incidental... I have looked through several hundred "Charles Wallace" entries so far, not finding the right one so far. Quite a few states to do yet! What I have seen is an appreciable number of people with this name whose parents were both German(more) or both Swedish (less common). Does anyone know how widespread surname adoption was? This must confuse some people badly, looking for Scottish roots when in fact they are in Bavaria! I'd be interested to hear of other experiences on the issue. Graeme

A friend of mine found the names of three men I'm interested in researching(father and two sons) on ancestors.com in the PA Early Census Index. They appear in the 1774 Census in Philadelphia County. I know they arrived in Philadelphia in 1773 so I'm not surprised that they show up in this census. My questions: 1. What else might I learn by looking at the actual census record? In other words, what information does the PA 1774 census form contain? 2. How can I see the actual census record? I couldn't find it in the LDS Library Catalog at my local FHC. Thanks, Paul

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I am not a Mormon [member of the Church of the LDS]. The records they have preserved and made available to all of us are invaluable. The Church has in no manner misrepresented the people they have recorded information on. They have simply recorded it. The many ships' manifests they have microfilmed do not claim the entire passenger list to be Mormons. Let's be fair and appreciate the fantastic amount of record preservation they have done. Use it too, if you wish. And remember the material submitted on genealogies is from humans like the rest of us - and may be right or may be wrong. Jayne

I see a typo in my previous post. All Heinrich's with the same soundex number will be together - then the Henry's will follow - but probably on the same reel. [I had said on another reel]. I do hope someone takes this hint - it can be a real fund of information. Jayne

And of course it goes without saying that if you don't know Hat Making or his wife then you wouldn't realise that he's closely associated with Manchester, UK. "Dave Mayall" <dave@research-group.co.uk> wrote in message news:3C8F54CC.83AE09A8@research-group.co.uk... > Richard VanHouten wrote: > > > It might help if you told us where this Stockport is. There are at > > least three in the United States. > > There is only one which is closely associated with Hat Making; > > The original, near Manchester, UK --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 9/02/2002

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In article <20020318133333.15862.00001794@mb-fy.aol.com>, lpurch6636@aol.com (LPurch6636) wrote: >I have been trying to find my G-Uncle ELIJAH HAMLER (NJ) since the verbal >family story that "he went, under-age, into the Civil War." The story also >says that he was a drummer. Well, I can find no record of him after the Civil >War. Does anyone know how to find their underage soldier ancestors from the >Civil War? Is there any web site for this specialty? I have looked up all the >usual information: Census Records where all the rest of the 9 members of the >family were living- everyone accounted for except Elijah; marriage records for >New Jersey; death records for New Jersey; property records for New Jersey; >Baptism records for New York (where the Hamlers tended to go for baptisms) and >New Jersey; Pennsylvanvia Census records; books on German migration in the >1800's with names... > >What happened with "under-age" soldiers in the Civil War? Did they have an >especially high rate of mortality? Is it likely that Elijah died? His older two >brothers who fought in the Civil War (from New Jersey) served in Virginia; but >they both came home from the Civil War. Elijah was born in 1846, making him 16 >years old when the war started. The Congressional Medal of Honor came about during or shortly after the Civil War. Numerious awards were to 15 yr old privates as well as Drummer Boys as young as 13. -- Ron

On 19 Mar 2002, Mfernest wrote: > I believe that all of the Archives branches are opening at midnight on that day > -- ours is in Seattle, and the CA branches also. and Fort Worth --

I had the opposite problem - an *over-age* ancestor in the Civil War! Henry lied about his age when he signed up - he said he was 44 years old when in actuality he was 52! Now if that didn't wreak havoc with trying to find his birth records!!! His 19 year old son enlisted with him at the same time and they fought side-by-side. Did you order his pension records or military records? There are some great clues there. I never would have been able to track the 19-year old son as well as I did without the pension records! Be sure to order copies of *everything* in the file and you'll even get copies of envelopes when the mail the gov't sent out was returned! (Henry died during the war - again listed in the pension records as he had surviving children.) Sherry lpurch6636@aol.com (LPurch6636) wrote in news:20020318133333.15862.00001794@mb-fy.aol.com: > I have been trying to find my G-Uncle ELIJAH HAMLER (NJ) since the > verbal family story that "he went, under-age, into the Civil War." > The story also says that he was a drummer. Well, I can find no > record of him after the Civil War. Does anyone know how to find > their underage soldier ancestors from the Civil War? Is there any > web site for this specialty? I have looked up all the usual > information: Census Records where all the rest of the 9 members of > the family were living- everyone accounted for except Elijah; > marriage records for New Jersey; death records for New Jersey; > property records for New Jersey; Baptism records for New York (where > the Hamlers tended to go for baptisms) and New Jersey; Pennsylvanvia > Census records; books on German migration in the 1800's with > names... > > What happened with "under-age" soldiers in the Civil War? Did they > have an especially high rate of mortality? Is it likely that Elijah > died? His older two brothers who fought in the Civil War (from New > Jersey) served in Virginia; but they both came home from the Civil > War. Elijah was born in 1846, making him 16 years old when the war > started. > > Thanks for any help. > > Flanagan >

Group, Records of GREAT value were made on persons who crossed the Canadian/US border in the early 1900's. These can be accessed through the FHC s of the LDS church. They are a little known resource classified as the "St Albans Records" If you are interested please refer to this page which explains the intricacies of searching them. It is hard work but can be VERY rewarding. Many European immigrants entered North America by way of Canada because the boat fare was less expensive and the Canadian Immigration Officials were more lenient on admitting people [or so it was thought]. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdye/sources.html Don't be put off by the title 'Ger-Rus' as the information is available for all nationalities and the method of search is the same. You need to learn the concept of Soundex and then the concept that ALL soundex names are in one group in alphabetical order by FIRST NAME. Also first names may have been anglicized. Heinrich (s)----- of any soundex equivalent last name are together and in another reel will be Henry(s) of any soundex equivalent last name. Don't be discouraged - the information available is well worth the search! and the system works once you have it in your head. Please contact me if you have any questions. I will answer. Jayne W. Dye, Lancaster OH

Hello Group, I desire to track all descendants of any surname who trace their roots back to Galka Parish (Galka, Dobrinka, Dreispitz, Schwab villages) on the Bergsite of the Volga River in Russia. These would be persons descended from (or born) in this area, of German origins, in the period ranging from 1766 to 1915 primarily. There are various spellings and other names: example - Galka is often called Golga and its current name is Ust-Kulalinka with various spellings also. Would anyone who thinks they may be of German Russian origin from this area please contact me? Jayne Wunsch Dye, Lancaster OH jdye@alumni.rice.edu Also check out this web site: http://www.webbitt.com/volga/lower/villages.html

Dennis M. Keesee wrote a book in 2001 entitled "Too Young to Die" about the Boy Soldiers of the Union Army. Your ancestor is NOT listed in the index but it is possible that Mr. Keesee has material found in his searches that he did not use in his book. He might suggest avenues to search. His address is : Dennis M. Keesee 8095 Bevelhymer Rd. Westerville, Ohio 43081 He is very personable. A quote from his book - a letter written home - might be of interest to you. "Well, a little past 10 years old, I, with my father and friends, on the 9th of August [1862] entered Camp Dennison; and how proud I felt with my little drum on my back a-going in the army as a drummer boy, and be with the rave soldiers who had started out to defend our country.. I have been in the army almost one year now, and have spent the time and enjoyed myself bravely." Jayne

I believe that all of the Archives branches are opening at midnight on that day -- ours is in Seattle, and the CA branches also.

Ancestor research in the Eifel / Germany It gives an interesting Mailing list under Rootsweb.com. The URL moreover is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-EIFEL.html In this Mailing list are more than 150 "ancestor's researchers" with active interest in genealogy in the area the Eifel. (The Eifel: Area in the western part of Germany. This area is between the cities Koblenz, Trier, Aachen and Cologne) Possibly the half of these ancestor's researchers are descendants of earlier emigrants and today they live in the U.S.A. dl3ke

lpurch6636@aol.com (LPurch6636) wrote: >I have been trying to find my G-Uncle ELIJAH HAMLER (NJ) since the verbal >family story that "he went, under-age, into the Civil War." The story also >says that he was a drummer. Well, I can find no record of him after the Civil >War. Does anyone know how to find their underage soldier ancestors from the >Civil War? They are just as likely to be on the rolls as those who were 'of age'. Though I don't find your ancestor b.1846 terribly unusual. The drummers of the civil war were quite often men under 18, over 50 or disabled. The Longs'; "The Civil War, Day by Day" has an abbreviated summary of Union soldier's ages on p707. They cite the US Sanitary Commission's 1866 booklet [43pp] "Ages of US Volunteer Soldiery" pp5-6. [That's worth ordering through ILL-- 43 interesting pages of statistics about the male population of various states, countries & the military in the 1860s.] Note that these numbers only represent about 1/2 of the enlistments. [I don't think the Longs mention that, but it is noted in the actual report.] The 1866 compiler believes that the sample of the 'first million volunteers' is random enough to be representative. My gut says it might skew the numbers a bit, though I could argue whether towards older or younger. The average age was 25.8, but there were at least several thousand under 18. These are enlistment ages [which is curious because the enlistment age was 18-45, so obviously the recruiters had some leeway.]. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the reported 18 yr olds, and maybe even some of the 19 yr olds are under 18. age number of soldiers 13 127 14 330 15 773 16 2,758 17 6,425 18 133,475 19 90,215 20 71,058 21 97,136 22 73,391 23 62,717 24 52,095 25 46,626 26-30 162,714 31-35 92,620 36-40 62,914 41-45 51,786 46 & over 5,213 So briefly-- in the '1st Million Volunteers'; =<18 143,888 19-35 748,572 =>36 119,913 So while 19-35 might be considered 'normal age', one in 4 were either under 19 or over 35 > Is there any web site for this specialty? I have looked up all the >usual information: Census Records where all the rest of the 9 members of the >family were living- everyone accounted for except Elijah; Is that 1850, 1860 and 1870 census? If he isn't on any of those, why do you think he exists-- or is he just missing in 1870? [also the 1865 census for NJ & NY -- did PA have an 1865?] I'd also be on the look-out for a 'new Hamler' appearing in '65 or '70. 'Elijah' might have become Eli, or 'Jake' or 'Slim' or 'Hammy'. > marriage records for New Jersey; death records for New Jersey; property records for New Jersey; >Baptism records for New York (where the Hamlers tended to go for baptisms) and >New Jersey; Pennsylvanvia Census records; books on German migration in the >1800's with names... > >What happened with "under-age" soldiers in the Civil War? Did they have an >especially high rate of mortality? I would guess that their mortality was lower than average. They were less likely to be subjected to hostile fire, and were probably as healthy or healthier than their older peers. OTOH-- rates don't mean much when studying an individual. [My wife's 35 yr old father of 3 enlisted in Sept 64--- survived a battle where more than 1/2 of his company was killed-- then died the next month of measles.] > Is it likely that Elijah died? I would lean more toward the younger one being the adventurer & either staying in the service, moving to a remote area, falling in love, or going to sea. > His older two >brothers who fought in the Civil War (from New Jersey) served in Virginia; but >they both came home from the Civil War. Elijah was born in 1846, making him 16 >years old when the war started. And 18 or 19 by war's end. Not draftable [in the north], but certainly 'of age'. [and the Indian wars might be attractive to a young man who 'missed the action' of the civil war] This might be one of those cases where you might want to hire a researcher who specializes in military records of that era to spend an hour or two in DC looking. Jim

Singhals wrote: > > LPurch6636 wrote: > > > > I have been trying to find my G-Uncle ELIJAH HAMLER (NJ) since the verbal > > family story that "he went, under-age, into the Civil War." The story also > > says that he was a drummer. Well, I can find no record of him after the Civil > > War. Does anyone know how to find their underage soldier ancestors from the > > Civil War? Is there any web site for this specialty? I have looked up all the > > usual information: Census Records where all the rest of the 9 members of the > > family were living- everyone accounted for except Elijah; marriage records for > > New Jersey; death records for New Jersey; property records for New Jersey; > > Baptism records for New York (where the Hamlers tended to go for baptisms) and > > New Jersey; Pennsylvanvia Census records; books on German migration in the > > 1800's with names... > > > > What happened with "under-age" soldiers in the Civil War? Did they have an > > especially high rate of mortality? Is it likely that Elijah died? His older two > > brothers who fought in the Civil War (from New Jersey) served in Virginia; but > > they both came home from the Civil War. Elijah was born in 1846, making him 16 > > years old when the war started. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > 1. 16 wasn't "underage" in that war. There seem to be proven > soldiers, on both sides, who were as young as 12. Well, strictly it was, unless with parental permission. My gggf Edward Howard joined the 40th NY Infantry aged 16at the outset of the Civil War, and was shortly afterwards discharged on a writ of habeas corpus from his mother. He promptly scarpered to PA, changed his name to Edwin Howard and the 20th PA Cavalry. His pension file mentions his earlier period of service, and the muster records from the 40th NY record his enrollment and discharge.

> Can I buy an adapter for my scanner or where can I buy a cheap reader > please. > Mike > mike@farmme.globalnet.co.uk Hi Mike. I got one from my local library's main branch. £15 Kind regards Ron O'Neill. roneil@spamtrapblueyonder.co.uk Remove spamtrap to reply

You might consider a "USB microscope". I don't know if it would work, but such an item is available at cyberguys.com. I agree with the other posters about finding a reader at your local version of resale/goodwill/salvation army stores. "Mike" <mike@farmme.globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:u9a0tmeb3bpoc1@corp.supernews.com... > Please can anybody help me? > > I am new to genealogy and have obtained some micro fiches which I can not > read. > > Can I buy an adapter for my scanner or where can I buy a cheap reader > please. > > Regards > > Mike > > mike@farmme.globalnet.co.uk > > > >

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