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On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:00:34 -0500, Singhals wrote: > Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size of a > grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW there > should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty place is too big > to be two graves, but not quite big enough for three modern graves. So, > I was wondering ... > > Cheryl Graves sold in Calvary Cemetery in Queens, NY City, in the 1870s are described on the deeds as being 2 ft x 8 ft. Graves sold in St Peter's Cemetery in Staten Island, NY, in the late 1980s are described on the deeds as being 3 ft x 9 ft. The difference may be that many, if not, most cemeteries in recent years require the use of concrete grave liners. This was not true in 1870 in Calvary Cemetery - there are 9 burials in a single grave there from one branch of my family.

Is it possible that you're in a section that was reserved for infant burials? "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:3C9FD642.E0632442@erols.com... > Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > Cheryl

Is there anybody who knows something about my grandmothers brother called Anders Julius Ronnkvist born 30 October 1872 in Pitea landsforsamling Norrbotten in Sweden and his wife Karolina Albertina Dalstrom born 12 May 1883 in Norsjo Vasterbotten Sweden. 30 July 1909 they arrived to New York by the boat Mauretania. My searching ends with there address from the year of 1947 "A.J Ronnkvist RRI Port Kells BC Brittis Columbia" ps. The spelling of Ronnkvist my be Ronnqvist or Ronnquist Thanks in advance. Mikael Hagglund

Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... Cheryl

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Stephen C. Stierstorfer wrote: > I just made contact with a relative that told me that both of my great > grandparents died in a Flu epidemic in Cumberland or Baltimore Maryland in > about 1904 or 1905. This cousin is the grandaughter of my great grand > parents. The info she has came from her father. ( One of the 11 children > of my great grand parents ). My info shows the family living in Cumberland, > Maryland at the time the family split apart. Have you tried contacting the Baltimore Public Library and/or Historical Society? http://www.pratt.lib.md.us/ http://www.baltocohistsoc.org/ -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links

looking for family in hello i am looking for family that would no my mother or father. my mother name was mary marie dixon her date of birth 30-05-04 she was from reedsprot montana she was married in spet 1957 she married a dearl t haynes of altaina ga. he was 20 at the time ofmarriage and mom was 17 dad was in the navy and was station at N,A,S whidbey they got a divorce april 13 1961. in this time there was one more man to be around lloyd e haynes and he was from arkansas littlerock we think and we think may be brothers he was 35 at the time of my birth in 1962. any help that you can give me i would love it khaynes@webtv.net thank you and god bless you all

If you have ancestors who came from or went to County Waterford Ireland, County Cork Ireland, or Kings County (Brooklyn) New York, and have a homepage with information on your family, you might want to have your pages listed on the Homepages section of the IrelandGenWeb and/or USGenWeb pages. Listing your page may help you connect with others researching your name or family. To list your homepage, please see County Waterford page of IrelandGenWeb http://community.webtv.net/waterfordroots/waterford County Cork page of IrelandGenWeb http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/corkigw Kings County NY, of the USGenWeb http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/kingsny Happy Searching, Maura hostess for Waterford, Cork and Kings NY <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints

Sitka <snorristurlusson@excite.com> wrote in message news:<d7dk8u8d40rlj9a1qr59daded7epbkptq2@4ax.com>... > Hello, > > We can all admit that the LDS web site is full of great information > for genealogists. It seems that if I stay away for a month or two, I > come back and find out something else for my surnames. Just recently, > this was the case. I found out a slew of information on one of my > Dad's cousins plus all 3 of his wives and childern. This was a nice > find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they > are "Original Temple Records". My (expletive deleted)!! These folks were > > Danish Lutherans, not Mormons. > I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning > church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in > Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it > looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is > doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to > use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. They are not claimed as Mormons. In fact, I've heard that LDS members who die are not included in the IGI. Some may be, but it may be collateral as a result of some other research. Someone pointed out some info about 'original temple records'. Take that as a new clue--you may find some other descendants of your family who have even more data because of it! Go to your nearest FHC and look at the 'Ordinance Index', under LDS options. Get the dates and temple names. That will give you some more clues as to where some of those other descendants lived, or, if recent enough, where some of them may now live or what region they may be in now. Look at the batch number, if it's all numbers then it was an LDS member who submitted. There may be a paper submission form microfilmed and you can go to a microfilm that has the actual paperwork. Save the ordinance dates, then go to the Ancestral File at the FHC and find the same names and see if you can match the ordinance dates up with the Ordinance Index dates. Also, most FHCs now also have the Pedigree Resource File. You can also use the ordinance dates here as the LDS members may have put them in the submission along with the rest of the info. You may find other people who are currently working on the lines that way. > > Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let > them know that they're claiming some of MY people? > > Amusingly yours, > > Bill

23 Mar 2002, Saturday, 10:45am Hello All, I just made contact with a relative that told me that both of my great grandparents died in a Flu epidemic in Cumberland or Baltimore Maryland in about 1904 or 1905. This cousin is the grandaughter of my great grand parents. The info she has came from her father. ( One of the 11 children of my great grand parents ). My info shows the family living in Cumberland, Maryland at the time the family split apart. This would explain why I have been unable to find any info on either one of them after 1904. This "Flu Epidemic" story is completely different from what I have been told. The story I have is the father deserted the mother and family of 11 children. The mother was unable to make it alone and she deserted the children shortly after the father left. The 3 oldest girls were placed in a boarding house as cooks, maids and housekeepers. The 5 youngest were placed in an orphanage. And the 3 middle boys were basically left to fend for themselves. I have records from the orphanage, but they do not have any info as to why the children were placed in the orphange. Would there be any court records of something like this? . If so, what court would could this go thru? I think the orphanage is/was called St. Vincents. The orphange was Catholic. I know that the "Flu Epidemic" story may just be made up to hide the embarrassment of the both parents deserting the chidren. Was there a Flu Epidemic in Cumberland or Baltimore in 1904 - 1905? Any thoughts, suggestions, questions or hints would be greatly appreciated. I will even consider hiring a genealogist in the area if anyone know one. Feel free to respond via email. Thanks in advance. Stephen C. Stierstorfer acje@flash.net

Stephen C. Stierstorfer wrote: > > 23 Mar 2002, Saturday, 10:45am > > Hello All, > > I just made contact with a relative that told me that both of my great > grandparents died in a Flu epidemic in Cumberland or Baltimore Maryland in > about 1904 or 1905. This cousin is the grandaughter of my great grand > parents. The info she has came from her father. ( One of the 11 children > of my great grand parents ). My info shows the family living in Cumberland, > Maryland at the time the family split apart. > > This would explain why I have been unable to find any info on either one of > them after 1904. > > This "Flu Epidemic" story is completely different from what I have been > told. The story I have is the father deserted the mother and family of 11 > children. The mother was unable to make it alone and she deserted the > children shortly after the father left. The 3 oldest girls were placed in a > boarding house as cooks, maids and housekeepers. The 5 youngest were placed > in an orphanage. And the 3 middle boys were basically left to fend for > themselves. > > I have records from the orphanage, but they do not have any info as to why > the children were placed in the orphange. Would there be any court records > of something like this? . If so, what court would could this go thru? I > think the orphanage is/was called St. Vincents. The orphange was Catholic. > > I know that the "Flu Epidemic" story may just be made up to hide the > embarrassment of the both parents deserting the chidren. > > Was there a Flu Epidemic in Cumberland or Baltimore in 1904 - 1905? > > Any thoughts, suggestions, questions or hints would be greatly appreciated. > > I will even consider hiring a genealogist in the area if anyone know one. > > Feel free to respond via email. > > Thanks in advance. > Stephen C. Stierstorfer > acje@flash.net Drop by the Allegany county MD GenWeb site and post a message. Or contact the Cumberland Times-News newspaper (they're on-line). Meanwhile, I'll check my extracts from a near-by town's newspaper to see if there are an unusual number of deaths. You DO know how far apart Cumberland and Baltimore are (abt 120-130 miles, probably 3 hours or more by train)? And that there are/were several orphanages in Cumberland itself? Cheryl

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There is a story on http://www.lds.org/ this weekend about how the FBI has called on the LDS Church, mainly due to its expertise in working with massive data files involving names, especially variants and other things involving names, and large amounts of data, to help it cope with major problems with an old, outdated information system. The story will be linked off the main page all weekend, and on the news page for about a week after that. The story will also be found on USA Today's site as well. Also, on the news page at lds.org where you find this story, you might want to check it daily, as news stories about genealogy and family history posted there rather frequently, if not daily, Monday through Friday. =========== LDS Family History website: http://www.familysearch.org/ LDS Official information (basic): http://www.mormon.org/ LDS General website (news, articles, etc.): http://www.lds.org/

He COULD just photocopy from the microfilm. It's not cheap, but it's DO-able. (Been there, done that, on an 1881 book). Cheryl Roots Webmaster wrote: > > I know genealogists are a generous bunch when it comes to look-ups, but > asking someone to photocopy an entire 300 page book, and possibly violate > copyright law in the process? Not a good idea. > > Have you tried asking your local librarian to request a copy via > interlibrary loan, therefore putting the responsibility for any copyright > violations squarely on your own shoulders? > > And then there are the many used book sites. See: > > http://www.bibliofind.com > http://www.bookfinder.com > http://www.alibris.com > http://www.abe.com > > Good luck! > > On 21 Mar 2002, Brian Rankin wrote: > > > I'm trying to reconstruct my family's research which was lost about 20 > > years ago, and a particular book will form the basis of much my > > research so it's very important to me. > > > > The book is "Stroup, Peter (Straub) Stroup of Freiburg, Baden, Germany > > and Pennsylvania, and his descendants" by Mrs. Floyd Stroup. It's at > > the Salt Lake City Genealogical Library, Call Number: 929.273 St89e; > > about 300 pages. > > > > I've seen the microfilm, but would like to get a complete copy of the > > book. Can anybody in Salt Lake City help me? I will gladly reimburse > > your copy and shipping costs, and some extra for your time. > > > > Most Sincerely, Brian Rankin > > > > > > -

I know genealogists are a generous bunch when it comes to look-ups, but asking someone to photocopy an entire 300 page book, and possibly violate copyright law in the process? Not a good idea. Have you tried asking your local librarian to request a copy via interlibrary loan, therefore putting the responsibility for any copyright violations squarely on your own shoulders? And then there are the many used book sites. See: http://www.bibliofind.com http://www.bookfinder.com http://www.alibris.com http://www.abe.com Good luck! On 21 Mar 2002, Brian Rankin wrote: > I'm trying to reconstruct my family's research which was lost about 20 > years ago, and a particular book will form the basis of much my > research so it's very important to me. > > The book is "Stroup, Peter (Straub) Stroup of Freiburg, Baden, Germany > and Pennsylvania, and his descendants" by Mrs. Floyd Stroup. It's at > the Salt Lake City Genealogical Library, Call Number: 929.273 St89e; > about 300 pages. > > I've seen the microfilm, but would like to get a complete copy of the > book. Can anybody in Salt Lake City help me? I will gladly reimburse > your copy and shipping costs, and some extra for your time. > > Most Sincerely, Brian Rankin > > -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links

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Hello, I'm trying to reconstruct my family's research which was lost about 20 years ago, and a particular book will form the basis of much my research so it's very important to me. The book is "Stroup, Peter (Straub) Stroup of Freiburg, Baden, Germany and Pennsylvania, and his descendants" by Mrs. Floyd Stroup. It's at the Salt Lake City Genealogical Library, Call Number: 929.273 St89e; about 300 pages. I've seen the microfilm, but would like to get a complete copy of the book. Can anybody in Salt Lake City help me? I will gladly reimburse your copy and shipping costs, and some extra for your time. Most Sincerely, Brian Rankin

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Paul Rands wrote: > > A friend of mine found the names of three men I'm interested in > researching(father and two sons) on ancestors.com in the PA Early > Census Index. They appear in the 1774 Census in Philadelphia County. > 1. What else might I learn by looking at the actual census record? > In other words, what information does the PA 1774 census form contain? What you have is most likely a Tax List, not a census. There will be little additional information, other than a name, perhaps age, and maybe if you are lucky, some designation of acreage or livestock. There are probably transcriptions of the tax list available on the net; a look at "Brenda's Pennsylvania Genealogy" may produce a link.