You know his birthdate but not the birthplace? Send for his death certificate, which should list his birthplace, parents' names, etc. Get the 1900 and 1910 census for that place and find the family. That will list his siblings, parents and much more information including birthplace of his grandparents. Once you have his birthplace, write for his birth certificate. That's recent enough that it should be on file. Also find his obituary in the newspaper. Many of us would be thrilled to have an ancestor with that much specific information! Should be easy to fill in the blanks. Jan Hall

On 28 Mar 2002 01:51:42 GMT, BlanketGHS wrote: >>On the off-chance you'll drop by to pick up replies, instead of >>expecting us to play anagrams with you -- >> >>You'll get more useful help if you name the state. > > >I suspect that she means New York state > Sorry about that. Yes, it is New York. Specifically: Rochester, NY. I've already sent a request to the SSA for a copy of his SS-5, but that will only tell me this parents' names, not if he had any siblings, etc. And I'm a he. :) -- TARogue (t o m (at) t a r o g u e . n e t) "So I hated life, because what is done under the sun was grievous to me; for all is vanity and a chasing after wind." Ecclesiastes 2:17

>On the off-chance you'll drop by to pick up replies, instead of >expecting us to play anagrams with you -- > >You'll get more useful help if you name the state. I suspect that she means New York state Reg Pitts BlanketGHS@aol.com

TARogue wrote: > > Looking for info on Leslie S. Albright , born 11 Oct. 1897, died 12 > Jan. 1978 in Batavia Veteran's Hospital. He lived on Buffard Dr. in > Brighton, MONROE county in 1978. His wife was Ellen Kiernan and he had > six children: James, Richard, Roger, Gerald, Joan, and John (Jack). > > Specifically, I'm trying to find parents' names, siblings, etc. On the off-chance you'll drop by to pick up replies, instead of expecting us to play anagrams with you -- You'll get more useful help if you name the state.

Looking for info on Leslie S. Albright , born 11 Oct. 1897, died 12 Jan. 1978 in Batavia Veteran's Hospital. He lived on Buffard Dr. in Brighton, MONROE county in 1978. His wife was Ellen Kiernan and he had six children: James, Richard, Roger, Gerald, Joan, and John (Jack). Specifically, I'm trying to find parents' names, siblings, etc. Thanks! -- TARogue (t o m (at) t a r o g u e . n e t) "So I hated life, because what is done under the sun was grievous to me; for all is vanity and a chasing after wind." Ecclesiastes 2:17

Several years ago we went up to Chama, NM (pop 1200) in northern NM hoping to find the gravesite of an ancestor who died there. Finally found the cemetery, 5 miles from town, on dirt road, and found a decimated graveyard full of tumbweeds and thorny locust trees. The gravesites were well marked with little weathered wooden fences, rock piles, etc. The "headstones" were weathered wooden crosses, with unreadable engravings or little paper markers with names written on by pencil. Nothing readable, even if current year's plantings. It was a memorable visit, but fruitless. Don leslie wrote: > > I belong to our local historic society's cemetery crew. > During the spring and fall we make the rounds of the > local abandoned cemeteries to do clean-up and > restoration. > > We use "headless" golfclubs to poke for gravestones. > One member really has the touch. She finds gravestones > that have been completely buried for years. > > Leslie > > Genee wrote: > > > I've been in cemeteries where the small headstones are sunk down in > > the ground and even had grass growing over. You need to poke a little > > something in the ground to see if you hit something. Or is that rude? > > > > The Cranky Genee > > > > On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:00:34 -0500, Singhals <singhals@erols.com> > > wrote: > > > > >Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > > > > >The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > > >of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > > > > >I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > > >there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > > >place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > > >three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > > > > >Cheryl -- ~~~~~ Visit our NICKELL, GAUNCE, MOOTY genealogy Web Page http://nickell.tierranet.com ~~~~~

In alt.genealogy leslie <leslie_m250@yahoo.com> says: : I belong to our local historic society's cemetery crew. : During the spring and fall we make the rounds of the : local abandoned cemeteries to do clean-up and : restoration. : We use "headless" golfclubs to poke for gravestones. : One member really has the touch. She finds gravestones : that have been completely buried for years. Never thought of that. Does she have any other tips she might like to share, like where to poke in the first place? -- Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com) Havemann Family History: http://www.havemann.com/

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I belong to our local historic society's cemetery crew. During the spring and fall we make the rounds of the local abandoned cemeteries to do clean-up and restoration. We use "headless" golfclubs to poke for gravestones. One member really has the touch. She finds gravestones that have been completely buried for years. Leslie Genee wrote: > I've been in cemeteries where the small headstones are sunk down in > the ground and even had grass growing over. You need to poke a little > something in the ground to see if you hit something. Or is that rude? > > The Cranky Genee > > On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:00:34 -0500, Singhals <singhals@erols.com> > wrote: > > >Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > > >The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > >of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > > >I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > >there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > >place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > >three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > > >Cheryl

Funerals and such have always really been for the living, we all understand that. My husband's mother was cremated and her ashes scattered in the bay where she spent many years skiing and raising her family. When his brother died a few years later, he and his father agreed to do the same with his brother so that they would be "together". On the anniversary of their death he used to drive to the area where they scattered their ashes. But its hard to have a "moment" and a good cry when there are people having a good time with water sports wondering what your problem is. In a cemetery, everyone is there for the same thing. When we go to put flowers on my brother's grave, my husband says he wishes he had somewhere to go and think of his mother and brother. When I have the funds, I would like to place a memorial to them wherever we plan to have our marker. I agree with the idea of cremation...for me, I really don't care about a burial, but I would have a marker. That is important to me. Seeing how my parents act when they go to their parents graves...it matters. I rarely go to my brother's grave but I think about it and him often and it gives me a sense of peace. I know "he" isn't there but that is where I can think of him and nothing but him. "Heather Figueroa" <NoSpam@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:a7qn3m$njsje$1@ID-99845.news.dfncis.de... > Cheryl....... > > My sister and I decided to put our mother's name on her parent's > tombstone, along with her brother who died in 1960. We were rather > 'taken aback' to find that no one (meaning my mother and grandmother) > had even put a marker on my uncle's grave!! And there were a few > unmarked ones to the left of his. > > We had a diagram from the cemetery people and eventually found the > spot........but could this be your same situation? > > They are now both engraved on their parents' tombstone, but neither > coffin or cremation urn is there.......not important to us. Simply > having their names there to be seen for future generations was enough. > > As a side topic......where will people look in future generations, if > things go on as they are now doing. In both my family and my > husband's anyway. No one is buried anywhere......cremation and > scattering of ashes in most cases. This is why we made sure there was > a tombstone engraving for all of them.......it certainly is not like > the old days!! > > Last summer, I stood there in absolute awe, looking at my (scottish) > PEI ancestors' tombstones from 1820. We had a great time, finding > obscure old graveyards in Prince Edward Island where there would be at > least two tombstones of one line or another. > > Anyone else seeing this as the way burials are going? Is it the high > cost of funerals? In our case, it was not that.......Dad just wanted > his ashes scattered in PEI at his favourite old fishing hole. Yet my > neighbour has a 'family plot' nearby.......different outlooks? > > Be interested to hear any comments. > > Heather > > Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > news:<3C9FD642.E0632442@erols.com>... > > > Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > > > > > The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > > > of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > > > > > I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > > > there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > > > place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > > > three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > > > > > Cheryl >

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Cheryl....... My sister and I decided to put our mother's name on her parent's tombstone, along with her brother who died in 1960. We were rather 'taken aback' to find that no one (meaning my mother and grandmother) had even put a marker on my uncle's grave!! And there were a few unmarked ones to the left of his. We had a diagram from the cemetery people and eventually found the spot........but could this be your same situation? They are now both engraved on their parents' tombstone, but neither coffin or cremation urn is there.......not important to us. Simply having their names there to be seen for future generations was enough. As a side topic......where will people look in future generations, if things go on as they are now doing. In both my family and my husband's anyway. No one is buried anywhere......cremation and scattering of ashes in most cases. This is why we made sure there was a tombstone engraving for all of them.......it certainly is not like the old days!! Last summer, I stood there in absolute awe, looking at my (scottish) PEI ancestors' tombstones from 1820. We had a great time, finding obscure old graveyards in Prince Edward Island where there would be at least two tombstones of one line or another. Anyone else seeing this as the way burials are going? Is it the high cost of funerals? In our case, it was not that.......Dad just wanted his ashes scattered in PEI at his favourite old fishing hole. Yet my neighbour has a 'family plot' nearby.......different outlooks? Be interested to hear any comments. Heather > Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:<3C9FD642.E0632442@erols.com>... > > Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > > > The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > > of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > > > I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > > there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > > place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > > three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > > > Cheryl

"Rob Stieglitz" <rstieglitz@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:<Q0%n8.6041$S_5.1171608677@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>... > My Finnegan ancestors lived in the Spuyten Duyvil area of NYC in the late > 1800s. They then moved to Van Corlear Place in the early 1900s. Looking for > any Catholic Churches in these areas where they may have been married. Can > anyone give me a lead? > > Rob Rob, Spuyten Duyvil refers to a area where the Harlem River meets with the Hudson River in the west section of the Bronx. At one time the was a communuty in that area at the end of WWII. It was just west of what was then the NY Central RR yards. The Catholic Churches in that area would be St John's on Kingsbridge Ave. and Church of the Visitation at 240th street. In the early 1900's I would say that St. John's RC Church would be the dominent parish. I grew up and went to school in the area and knew many Irish families. Being Irish / American (1st Generation) all of my family was from the "OtherSide" as it was known. Hope this was of some help, Good Luck!

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The Santa Fe, NM National Cemetery has changed specifications in the past "n" years. They are running out of room and changed over from vertical headstones to flat because it saved space. They didn't explain but I heard it had to do with the underground footing. They were also considering VERTICAL burials to saved considerable space. The New Mexico National Guard was one of the first called up after Pearl Harbor, and, of course they were some of the first into the Philippines, etc. They suffered many casualties resulting in a very large National Cemetery for a town of 10,000 in 194x. The SF National is sandwiched in between large Texas ranchetts and downtown so there's not much room to grow, that's why the space saving considerations. Don Singhals wrote: > > Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > Cheryl -- ~~~~~ Visit our NICKELL, GAUNCE, MOOTY genealogy Web Page http://nickell.tierranet.com ~~~~~

My Finnegan ancestors lived in the Spuyten Duyvil area of NYC in the late 1800s. They then moved to Van Corlear Place in the early 1900s. Looking for any Catholic Churches in these areas where they may have been married. Can anyone give me a lead? Rob

I've been in cemeteries where the small headstones are sunk down in the ground and even had grass growing over. You need to poke a little something in the ground to see if you hit something. Or is that rude? The Cranky Genee On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:00:34 -0500, Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: >Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > >The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size >of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > >I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW >there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty >place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for >three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > >Cheryl

Cheryl, I ran across the same problem in my search in the past. It turned out that the gravesite was used but no marker was placed for various reasons. You have few choices if you have this condition. One: probe the grave to sound for a coffin or box, two: you can exhume but is extremely difficult and expensive. One superintendent actually tried dowsing with metal rods to determine if any remains were present. His observation was that it works if enough metal was present to respond to a magnetic field. I know this doesnt directly respond to your question but I offer it as an aid if your basic problem is the same as mine was. EB "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:3C9FD642.E0632442@erols.com... > Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > Cheryl

If the cemetery is still in use, it is possible that some of the graves have been moved. As an example, my father had his parents' graves relocated to another, new part of the cemetery where they were buried, so that there would be space for additional family members to be buried next to them. This created a new "family plot", but left 2 unused grave spaces back in the old part of the cemetery. Bob Singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:<3C9FD642.E0632442@erols.com>... > Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > Cheryl

Thanks for the thought, but no; this is a country cemetery, and the infants are interspersed. Cheryl Max Schneider wrote: > > Is it possible that you're in a section that was reserved for infant > burials? > > "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > news:3C9FD642.E0632442@erols.com... > > Well, it *is* Easter, after all! (g) > > > > The actual question is -- does anyone know if the physical size > > of a grave has changed much over the past 150 years? > > > > I'm walking a cemetery, and there are places in it where I KNOW > > there should be graves, but there are no markers. The empty > > place is too big to be two graves, but not quite big enough for > > three modern graves. So, I was wondering ... > > > > Cheryl