Drake Website update as 31st March 2002 Happy Easter Hi there soc.genealogy.misc and Drake folk, Drake website stats; Databases = 213 Drake Websites = 103 History Items = 63 Enquiries = 409 Gallery = 59 images Drake related Surnames = 56 BDMs = 43 Biographys = 111 Wills = 35 + plenty more where these stats come from. Collecting anything Drake that is genealogy or history related in text or pictorial form - Modern or Medieval, Mrs Drakes favorite recipes, anything. Drake List members photographs: ( 25 to date ) http://www.xroyvision.com.au/drake/members/index.html Material added to the Drake website each month is available in an indexed form at : http://www.xroyvision.com.au/drake/statistics.html A Discussion Forum / message board has been added to the site at http://www.xroyvision.com.au/discus/index.html so you can add your own Drake topics etc to the discussion list. > Best wishes, > Roy Andrews > > genealogy infoseeker: http://www.xroyvision.com.au/genealogy.html > drake website: http://www.xroyvision.com.au/drake/drakepage.htm

I can't remember right off if the All-In-One Tree can be used in the "Book" feature or not ( I think there are some that can't). Any trees you do for a "Book" are done with references from page to page to show where they connect. All you would have to do is print the pages with the tree. Barry Norton "Duncan" <duncantuna@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:U5ap8.32226$b3.9984886@twister.kc.rr.com... > Hadn't thought of that. I played with that idea for a bit, but it would > take forever to chop up all the pieces of the tree and put them into exact > pages (slides) within PowerPoint. We are talking 50 pages of tree here. > Plus the idea that it'd be incredibly hard to match up a line from one slide > to the next. > > I'd really prefer software that would do it automagically. > > "Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message > news:3CA4F434.1D924A58@scs.uiuc.edu... > > > > > > Duncan wrote: > > > > > > I own Family Tree Maker 8, which has a unique chart option called "All > In > > > One" which basically charts every person in your tree. Its content is > > > exactly what I want. > > > Is there any other software that has the report I want, with some > ability to > > > customize the output a bit? > > >

What's NEW in Genealogy... )) Preparing for the 1930 U.S. Census http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/ruby/020306.html This spring will also bring the long-awaited 1930 U.S. Census which will be released on April 1st. )) The Spacing of Generations http://www.genealogytoday.com/columns/everyday/020305.html Beginning genealogists often ask how many generations are likely to occur in a given span of years... )) Researching Ancestors' Occupations http://www.genealogytoday.com/articles/ancestors.html Were there historical events that affected their occupational choices? )) National Records at the PRO http://www.genealogytoday.com/uk/columns/westwood/020310.html Is likely that your Ancestors will feature here somewhere. Enjoy! - illya d'addezio

If you wish to complain about the lack of availability of the 1901 UK census online - an e-petition has been set up on: www.activeservice.co.uk/petition Although an e-petition requires a full address, the website has been arranged so that addresses should not viewable on the site. Once enough signatures have been obtained the e-petition will be sent to the UK Government and the addresses will be viewable to them. Please let others know about the petition and website address in order to gain as much support as possible. In addition, I understand e-mails can be sent to: Editor@ukonline.gov.uk which should be passed to the relevant department. Many thanks in advance for your support - lets hope we can provoke some positive and meaningful response..........and action! Regards Linda Jones PS - If you can arrange to pass this message around, to help publicise in anyway whatsoever, it would be greatly appreciated

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:50:40 GMT, "Rob Stieglitz" <rstieglitz@prodigy.net> wrote: >My Finnegan ancestors lived in the Spuyten Duyvil area of NYC in the late >1800s. They then moved to Van Corlear Place in the early 1900s. Looking for >any Catholic Churches in these areas where they may have been married. Can >anyone give me a lead? > >Rob > > Van Corlear Place is in Marble Hill (same thing as Spuyten Duyvil). After June 1895 Marble Hill was separated from Manhattan by the Harlem Shipping Channel. At that point it became an island and was later joined to the Bronx when Spuyten Duyvil Creek was filled in. All this goes to the point that they would have been in a Manhattan parish, not a Bronx one. The nearest I can find is Good Sheperd on Broadway at 207 Street. The NYC Municipal Archives have the marriage records for that era. http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doris/html/index.html#VitalRecords There is a microfiche of the NYC Marriage index available at some libraries. The NY Public Library at 42 Street has a copy. Good luck, Brian Wickham

Someone who looks an awful lot like TARogue <look@my.sig> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:17:56 GMT, Charles Sullivan wrote: >>> >>Release of death records on file less than 50 years in NY State (outside >>NY City) is restricted to those persons in direct line of descent from the >>deceased. I don't believe the OP mentioned his relationship. > I'm his Grandson. I'd call that pretty direct ;) Looks like you've got a bunch of good suggestions, but if these pan out maybe we can come up with more. I'm coming in late, so the points I was thinking of have already been made. Good luck, Dave Hinz

Yes. The basic $15 fee covers a 2 year search, then $3/year after that. See: http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doh/html/vr/vrdeath.html I'm surprised the SSA released anything whatsoever, much less a SSN, for an individual they didn't have entered as deceased. On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:52:37 -0500, Rob Stieglitz wrote: > Does anyone know if the NYC Health Department will do a search for a > death certificate (about 7-10 year) if the person died in the 1990s and > the exact date is unknown? I have his birthdate and his SSN! He is not > listed in the SSDI because they have no proof of his death. I was told > if no payment was required at his death then there was no need to report > his death to the SSA. The SSA reported his SSN to me but will not give > out his original application because of no proof of death. > > Thanks, > Rob

Does anyone know if the NYC Health Department will do a search for a death certificate (about 7-10 year) if the person died in the 1990s and the exact date is unknown? I have his birthdate and his SSN! He is not listed in the SSDI because they have no proof of his death. I was told if no payment was required at his death then there was no need to report his death to the SSA. The SSA reported his SSN to me but will not give out his original application because of no proof of death. Thanks, Rob

Hadn't thought of that. I played with that idea for a bit, but it would take forever to chop up all the pieces of the tree and put them into exact pages (slides) within PowerPoint. We are talking 50 pages of tree here. Plus the idea that it'd be incredibly hard to match up a line from one slide to the next. I'd really prefer software that would do it automagically. "Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:3CA4F434.1D924A58@scs.uiuc.edu... > > > Duncan wrote: > > > > I've always wanted a nice chart that prints out ALL my research on my family > > tree. > > I own Family Tree Maker 8, which has a unique chart option called "All In > > One" which basically charts every person in your tree. Its content is > > exactly what I want. However, the output can be stretched out on 40-70 > > pages, of which, over half of the pages will be blank, but often printing > > many boxes over "page lines" (i.e. putting a box split between one piece of > > paper and another.) .. Yes, I know, there will have to be SOME of that. > > But FTM really makes no effort to minimize it, nor does it allow you to do a > > little drag/drop to make it look better. > > > > Is there any other software that has the report I want, with some ability to > > customize the output a bit? > > > You CAN do it with a combination of FTM and Powerpoint. > > You get your tree displayed in FTM. Now open up Powerpoint and > set up a blank presentation with the page size you want (custom). Go > back to > FTM and from the Edit menu do a "copy tree" command. Then go to > Powerpoint and > do a Paste. At this point you then have to resize the resultant pasted > object that that it is the correct aspect ratio and fits on the page. > For > some reason the aspect ratio often is horribly wrong. > > NOW FOR THE TRICK!! From teh Powerpoint Edit menu do a Selct All. > At the bottom left of my Powerpoint menu system (perhaps yours is > in a different place) is a Draw word with a down arrow > pointing to a pop-up menu. From that menu select "ungroup" and answer > "yes" > to the question to proceed. This should result in an object for each > box. > If it does not ... and sometimes this happens ... some objects remain > grouped. You have to select each remaining group in turn and ungroup it. > > Now you can use Powerpoint to move the boxes and lines around, and > replace lines with different ones if necessary (for example, add dotted > lines to connect two instances of the same person, if they have a two > descendents who married and had a child.) > > As you do this, you may want to create new "groups" to make things > easier. > > Doug McDonald

Duncan wrote: > > I've always wanted a nice chart that prints out ALL my research on my family > tree. > I own Family Tree Maker 8, which has a unique chart option called "All In > One" which basically charts every person in your tree. Its content is > exactly what I want. However, the output can be stretched out on 40-70 > pages, of which, over half of the pages will be blank, but often printing > many boxes over "page lines" (i.e. putting a box split between one piece of > paper and another.) .. Yes, I know, there will have to be SOME of that. > But FTM really makes no effort to minimize it, nor does it allow you to do a > little drag/drop to make it look better. > > Is there any other software that has the report I want, with some ability to > customize the output a bit? You CAN do it with a combination of FTM and Powerpoint. You get your tree displayed in FTM. Now open up Powerpoint and set up a blank presentation with the page size you want (custom). Go back to FTM and from the Edit menu do a "copy tree" command. Then go to Powerpoint and do a Paste. At this point you then have to resize the resultant pasted object that that it is the correct aspect ratio and fits on the page. For some reason the aspect ratio often is horribly wrong. NOW FOR THE TRICK!! From teh Powerpoint Edit menu do a Selct All. At the bottom left of my Powerpoint menu system (perhaps yours is in a different place) is a Draw word with a down arrow pointing to a pop-up menu. From that menu select "ungroup" and answer "yes" to the question to proceed. This should result in an object for each box. If it does not ... and sometimes this happens ... some objects remain grouped. You have to select each remaining group in turn and ungroup it. Now you can use Powerpoint to move the boxes and lines around, and replace lines with different ones if necessary (for example, add dotted lines to connect two instances of the same person, if they have a two descendents who married and had a child.) As you do this, you may want to create new "groups" to make things easier. Doug McDonald

I've always wanted a nice chart that prints out ALL my research on my family tree. Decendant charts don't do it, since they start at the top of only one part of your tree .. ancestor charts don't do it, since they leave out things like uncles, aunts, and cousins. Hourglass charts are just a combo of those two, but still leave out tons of info. I want to chart everyone. I own Family Tree Maker 8, which has a unique chart option called "All In One" which basically charts every person in your tree. Its content is exactly what I want. However, the output can be stretched out on 40-70 pages, of which, over half of the pages will be blank, but often printing many boxes over "page lines" (i.e. putting a box split between one piece of paper and another.) .. Yes, I know, there will have to be SOME of that. But FTM really makes no effort to minimize it, nor does it allow you to do a little drag/drop to make it look better. Is there any other software that has the report I want, with some ability to customize the output a bit?

Looking for parents of David Levi or Levi David MORTON, b 10 June 1837 in Montgomery Co., later Stanly Co., NC. Married Elmirah BOYSWORTH (sometimes BOSWORTH in various records) about 1857/59. Would also like marriage date and location as they are not listed in the Stanly County marriage records of that era. David/Levi married Elmirah BOYSWORTH, (b 8 Dec 1838 in what would become Stanly Co., NC in 1841). Her ancestors said to have come to this area about 1780 from New Castle, Delaware. Elmirah was daughter of Wm. BOYSWORTH and Theodocia (Docie) BILES. Children: Alexander; Wm. David; Randall F.; Clement K.; John Benj.; Sam'l. A.; George W., and Nancy. Clifford Sayre, Silver Spring, MD E-mail: cliffsayr@aol.com 

Use of given name Clifford about 1895-1905 The surname CLIFFORD and use of Clifford as a given name predate the above period. However, I found a number of Cliffords (given name) listed in the SAYRE family in the 1895-1905 period from various parts of the country in branches of the SAYRE family that are not likely to have been in contact with each other. There seems to have been only one use of the given name before the above dates in a different branch of the SAYRE family. I also do not find the surname listed in a rather complete SAYRE family history prior to 1900. I have also run across some other Cliffords in other families born in the above timeframe. Was there a preacher, evangelist, politician, actor, author, etc. of that era who might have been the source of the recognition ? Clifford Sayre, Jr. in Silver Spring, MD E-mail: cliffsayr@aol.com 

On 27 Mar 2002, TARogue wrote: > Looking for info on Leslie S. Albright , born 11 Oct. 1897, died 12 > Jan. 1978 in Batavia Veteran's Hospital. He lived on Buffard Dr. in > Brighton, MONROE county in 1978. His wife was Ellen Kiernan and he had > six children: James, Richard, Roger, Gerald, Joan, and John (Jack). > > Specifically, I'm trying to find parents' names, siblings, etc. Some possibilities that you may have already tried: http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/central/ Rochester Public Library (has an excellent local history/genealogy department) http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrgs/ Rochester Genealogical Society -C., who grew up in Rochester -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links

I'am searching for the parents of John Frances KELLEY, b 1848 in PA, married Eliza DIXON may 1876 Jessenland Twp, Children: John,Margaret,Mathew,George,Alousius (My Grandfather) and James. Resided in Stillwater till 1894 then moved to St Paul after the death of Eliza. Married Susan DIXON. John Died Nov 1904 and is buried at St Thomas Catholic Church in Jessenland Twp Thank You: Michael J. Kelley, mjk9234@aol.com

"TARogue" <look@my.sig> wrote in message news:slrnaa6djn.v1v.look@gore.tarogue.net... > > > Any idea how I get a copy of the census? Here's where a prblem I'm > having comes in: would the Federal census tell me that, or do I need a > state or even local one? > I think that you'll find this web page useful http://www.cyndislist.com/beginner.htm There's a whole section on the (US) census. Lesley Robertson

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:17:56 GMT, Charles Sullivan wrote: >On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:13:10 -0500, Halltall wrote: > >> You know his birthdate but not the birthplace? Send for his death >> certificate, which should list his birthplace, parents' names, etc. >> >> >Release of death records on file less than 50 years in NY State (outside >NY City) is restricted to those persons in direct line of descent from the >deceased. I don't believe the OP mentioned his relationship. I'm his Grandson. -- TARogue (t o m (at) t a r o g u e . n e t) "So I hated life, because what is done under the sun was grievous to me; for all is vanity and a chasing after wind." Ecclesiastes 2:17

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:13:10 -0500, Halltall wrote: > You know his birthdate but not the birthplace? Send for his death > certificate, which should list his birthplace, parents' names, etc. > > Release of death records on file less than 50 years in NY State (outside NY City) is restricted to those persons in direct line of descent from the deceased. I don't believe the OP mentioned his relationship.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:12:56 -0500, TARogue wrote: > On 28 Mar 2002 01:51:42 GMT, BlanketGHS wrote: >>>On the off-chance you'll drop by to pick up replies, instead of >>>expecting us to play anagrams with you -- >>> >>>You'll get more useful help if you name the state. >> >> >>I suspect that she means New York state >> > Sorry about that. Yes, it is New York. Specifically: Rochester, NY. > > I've already sent a request to the SSA for a copy of his SS-5, but that > will only tell me this parents' names, not if he had any siblings, etc. > > And I'm a he. :) Since you know the exact date of death, check Rochester newspapers for an obituary or death notice. You can usually get these on microfilm via Inter-Library Loan at a public library. If an undertaker is named and is still in business, his records (if kept) will probably list family. You can also check for a Will and Probate/Administration files at the Monroe County Surrogates Court, however this tends to be very expensive by mail in most of NY State - better to hire a local researcher.

On 28 Mar 2002 07:13:10 -0700, Halltall@aol.com wrote: >You know his birthdate but not the birthplace? I think he was born in Rochester, (actually, Brighton,) NY. But I'm not sure. >Send for his death certificate, which should list his birthplace, parents' >names, etc. > That's what I'm hoping the SS-5 will tell me. >Get the 1900 and 1910 census for that place and find the family. That will >list his siblings, parents and much more information including birthplace of >his grandparents. > Any idea how I get a copy of the census? Here's where a prblem I'm having comes in: would the Federal census tell me that, or do I need a state or even local one? >Once you have his birthplace, write for his birth certificate. That's recent >enough that it should be on file. >Also find his obituary in the newspaper. > >Many of us would be thrilled to have an ancestor with that much specific >information! Should be easy to fill in the blanks. > Thanks for all the help! -- TARogue (t o m (at) t a r o g u e . n e t) "So I hated life, because what is done under the sun was grievous to me; for all is vanity and a chasing after wind." Ecclesiastes 2:17