I am happy to do look-ups for researchers in the books and other genealogy material that I own. Most of the material I have deals with NJ, Pa, and NY. See the list of material I own at http://melake.erols.com/lookups.html Please follow the guidelines outlined on the Web site for submitting look-up requests. Thanks. Good luck with your research. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@melake.erols.com -- http://melake.erols.com LAKE (Pa/NY/NJ) KILLE (NY/Germany) THAYNE (Pa/Ireland) KUHL/COOL (NJ) KIERNAN (Pa) GARRISON (NJ) ROBINS (NJ) DECKELMAN (NY/Germany) LEINENBERG (Germany) GIERSBACH (NJ/Germany) MARTIN (Pa) SULM (NY) KISHPAUGH (NJ/Pa) LINABERRY (Pa/NJ)

I'm relatively new at genealogy, but already my database is getting rather large. I'ld like to be able to quickly differentiate "blood relatives" from those who are only related by marriage. Does anyone using Legacy know of a way to do this? I've toyed with all of the available options, but haven't made any progress.

...what if the painting of the crest was actually IN the painting of the dogs playing poker? If the existence of one can be corroborated with the other, they both might be worth millions !! Yippeeeeeeeeee On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:18:37 GMT, Charles <X@triad.rr.com> wrote: >On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 06:00:05 -0500, Rex Alexander wrote: > >> Beautiful Oil Painting of your Family Crest >> >> Here's a terrific organization that will create a magnificent oil >> painting of your Family Crest / Coat of Arms. If you don't happen to >> have a copy of your Family Crest, they will even do the research for you >> free-of-charge. Check it out at > <remainder deleted> > >Yes, yes! Just imagine the Ooohs and Ahhhs you'll get from visitors when >you have this hanging on your wall between the print of the dogs playing >poker and the painting of Elvis on black velvet.

Mary Arthur wrote: > > Linda wrote: > > > Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3CAE0CF2.156A5C4A@attbi.com>... > > > Paul Havemann wrote: > > > > > > > Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> says: > > > > : Don Nickell wrote: > > > > > > >snippped > > > Hi, > > > > For a college research paper our class of 15 or so were each assigned a different search > > engine. I was lucky enough to be assigned vivisimo.com. It was great! So easy to read > > and the Windows Explorer shows the hierarchy of the search and lists each site from the > > No.1down to the lowest, excluding any duplicates. Give it a try! > > > > Linda > > > > This has become a quite different discussion which many people will miss because no one has > changed the Subject line (until now). > > Thanks Linda, I haven't heard of vivisimo. > > -- > Mary Arthur You are, of course right, and we should at least put an (OT) (off topic) in the Subject if nothing else. But, so often we forget becasue we are concentrating on what we are going to say. I took a gander and didn't find it objectionable, just "different", and I'm sure with a little usage I could be more accustomed to its format. I found it a little slow re. Google, but that could be TOD or phase of moon. I guess I like Google Advanced because I don't have to think about the boolean aspects of the search string. In the, "For what it's worth department": I did my typical genealogy research trick and entered "Nickell" in the search field, Google comes up with 52,300 to 183 for Vivsimo; "Nickell genealogy" yields 94 to Vivisimo's 117. Guess I wouldn't be surprised if Google search became another $subscriber$ utility before too long. [Ancestry may then buy them out. ;-) ]

Linda wrote: > Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3CAE0CF2.156A5C4A@attbi.com>... > > Paul Havemann wrote: > > > > > Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> says: > > > : Don Nickell wrote: > > > > >snippped > Hi, > > For a college research paper our class of 15 or so were each assigned a different search > engine. I was lucky enough to be assigned vivisimo.com. It was great! So easy to read > and the Windows Explorer shows the hierarchy of the search and lists each site from the > No.1down to the lowest, excluding any duplicates. Give it a try! > > Linda > This has become a quite different discussion which many people will miss because no one has changed the Subject line (until now). Thanks Linda, I haven't heard of vivisimo. -- Mary Arthur

Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3CAE0CF2.156A5C4A@attbi.com>... > Paul Havemann wrote: > > > Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> says: > > : Don Nickell wrote: > > > :> Any idea what Processioned means? > > > : It's sometimes amazing what you can find in a search engine such as Google: > > : http://www.google.com/ > > > > Indeed. I use Google to find all sorts of things, from definitions > > to local phone numbers -- it's often faster than drilling down through > > the so-called yellow pages. > > After using Metacrawler, Hotbot etal, I found Google to be the one I preferred > for its capabilities and presentation. > > > Bob, have you tried Vivisimo? http://www.vivisimo.com/ -- one > > of the so-called next-gen search engines. It just might give > > Google a run for the money. > > That didn't show as a visited link, so I just took a look. I have the objection > there in the presentation which doesn't use my full browser window. That leads to > a lot of scrolling or using the mouse to resize the window. Hi, For a college research paper our class of 15 or so were each assigned a different search engine. I was lucky enough to be assigned vivisimo.com. It was great! So easy to read and the Windows Explorer shows the hierarchy of the search and lists each site from the No.1 down to the lowest, excluding any duplicates. Give it a try! Linda > > > Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com) > > Bob

On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 17:40:47 -0500, John Carey wrote: > Hi Listers, > > Where would I look for a record of who is buried in a little cemetery > that is out in the middle of nowhere? It looks to be a family cemetery > so I am not sure if a list would even exist. There is no church or town > anywhere around, it is just off the highway. And it is not even on a > "street". There is just an access road that goes nowhere else. Just to > this cemetery. Needless to say, there is no street sign or anything. > There were only 5 or 6 family names in here and a bunch of the stones > were broken and/or illegible. > > TIA, > Shannon Does it look like anyone is maintaining the cemetery, i.e., grass kept mowed or at least weeds and brush cut down? I'd try the nearest Town/County Historical or Genealogy Society. In some states (like NY), the state assumed ownership of private cemeteries and is responsible for their upkeep, although it may pass on the responsibility to the local government.

I think a first step might be to look at old maps of the area and/or property records to see 1) who historically owned the property and 2) what town or other sites might have been around the cemetery in the past / around the dates of the graves. Sue Allen (searching surnames Soens, Polakowski, Czerniak, Wodaszak, Verschaeve, Baekelandt, Vanparijs)

Hi Listers, Where would I look for a record of who is buried in a little cemetery that is out in the middle of nowhere? It looks to be a family cemetery so I am not sure if a list would even exist. There is no church or town anywhere around, it is just off the highway. And it is not even on a "street". There is just an access road that goes nowhere else. Just to this cemetery. Needless to say, there is no street sign or anything. There were only 5 or 6 family names in here and a bunch of the stones were broken and/or illegible. TIA, Shannon

It takes a real man to admit an error. I am proud of your leadership in this field too. "Roots Webmaster" <roots@bfn.org> wrote in message news:Gu2KFB.Lpp@freenet.buffalo.edu... > > Okay, it's the world's second oldest genealogy site. I stand corrected > and in the interest of intellectual honesty, here are the details, > helpfully supplied by a fellow librarian: > > > A posting was made in the Usenet newsgroup soc.roots on December > > 8, 1993, by Stephen A. Wood, announcing the availability of > > his site, > > http://wood.cebaf.gov/~saw/genealogy.html > > > Yes, it still exists, although the current address of his "Genealogy > > Home Page" is http://www.genhomepage.com > > > A 1997 New York Times article identified it as the first genealogy web > > site. Here's a link to the article: > > http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/030997genealogy.html > > If nothing else that means there are now two of us who can challenge > Rootweb's claim to being the oldest genealogy site. And I'm still proud > that Buffalo was on the cutting edge way back in 1993. > > -C. > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Roots Webmaster wrote: > > > The world's oldest genealogy site is not what you think. Read on. > > > > Forgive the sound of a self-tooting horn, but I gotta take a > > moment to proudly announce that as of today, my website "Roots: > > The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum," has officially passed the 100,000 > > visitor mark. (I know, the venerable Cyndi's List gets that many hits > > every 20 minutes or so, but still...) > > > > Roots was launched in December 1993, making it very likely that Buffalo, > > New York, has the first and oldest genealogy website in the world.* > > I inherited Roots in late 1995 from its founder, who had lost interest in > > it, but I didn't install a counter until late 1997. So I have no idea how > > much traffic it got in its first four years. > > > > ----> To have a look, see: > > ----> http://www.bfn.org/~roots > > > > Thanks go to Buffalo Freenet, a pioneering community information network, > > for hosting Roots free of charge for nine years. Buffalo Freenet, a > > largely volunteer-run outfit, continues to make free webspace available > > for nonprofit organizations in Western New York State. To learn more, > > visit http://www.bfn.org. > > > > *Note: As many of you know, Rootsweb bills itself as the world's oldest > > genealogy site, but it did not go online with a homepage until early 1994, > > according to my correspondence with one of its founders. Prior to 1994, > > it existed only as a mailing list. You be the judge. > > > > -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- > > Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org > > Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots > > With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links > > > > > > > > -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- > Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org > Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots > With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links > >

Paul Havemann wrote: > Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> says: > : Don Nickell wrote: > > :> Any idea what Processioned means? > > : It's sometimes amazing what you can find in a search engine such as Google: > : http://www.google.com/ > > Indeed. I use Google to find all sorts of things, from definitions > to local phone numbers -- it's often faster than drilling down through > the so-called yellow pages. After using Metacrawler, Hotbot etal, I found Google to be the one I preferred for its capabilities and presentation. > Bob, have you tried Vivisimo? http://www.vivisimo.com/ -- one > of the so-called next-gen search engines. It just might give > Google a run for the money. That didn't show as a visited link, so I just took a look. I have the objection there in the presentation which doesn't use my full browser window. That leads to a lot of scrolling or using the mouse to resize the window. > Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com) Bob

Robert Heiling <robheil@attbi.com> says: : Don Nickell wrote: :> Any idea what Processioned means? : It's sometimes amazing what you can find in a search engine such as Google: : http://www.google.com/ Indeed. I use Google to find all sorts of things, from definitions to local phone numbers -- it's often faster than drilling down through the so-called yellow pages. Bob, have you tried Vivisimo? http://www.vivisimo.com/ -- one of the so-called next-gen search engines. It just might give Google a run for the money. -- Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com) Havemann Family History: http://www.havemann.com/

On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 06:00:05 -0500, Rex Alexander wrote: > Beautiful Oil Painting of your Family Crest > > Here's a terrific organization that will create a magnificent oil > painting of your Family Crest / Coat of Arms. If you don't happen to > have a copy of your Family Crest, they will even do the research for you > free-of-charge. Check it out at <remainder deleted> Yes, yes! Just imagine the Ooohs and Ahhhs you'll get from visitors when you have this hanging on your wall between the print of the dogs playing poker and the painting of Elvis on black velvet.

My gg grandfather John Connolly married my gg grandmother Margaret Brennan Kiernan. Both were Irish immigrants to America around 1850, the approximate date of their marriage. Both had been married before, in America, and I believe both had children from their first marriages. It suddenly occurred to me that I don't know what happened to the children of Margaret's first marriage (if there were any)! So the question is this: does anyone know what happens to the mother's children in a case like this? Are they taken on by the family of their deceased father(I'm sure that happens in some societies, and I think I remember reading somewhere that in the case of divorce, the husband got the kids in the 1800's)? Are they raised by the mother and stepfather, and keep their original last names? Or do they automatically change their last names to that of the second husband? And is this done officially, or just as a matter of course? I just hope I don't have to reexamine and possibly rearrange my family groupings, an annoying prospect. Thanks in advance, -Pat.

Beautiful Oil Painting of your Family Crest Here's a terrific organization that will create a magnificent oil painting of your Family Crest / Coat of Arms. If you don't happen to have a copy of your Family Crest, they will even do the research for you free-of-charge. Check it out at http://www.family-crests.net/ e-mail : crests@family-crests.net bvnc

My experience with this situation is that there is no set way to handle it and it depends on who in the family is willing and able to care for the children and sometimes the age of the children. I have one family in my tree where there were 2 children by a previous marriage, both under 4 years of age, and when the mother remarried, they took the stepfathers name and appear to have been raised as if they were his own. In two other families, the children lived with the mother's parents for several years until the new couple got settled. Then they moved back in with their mother and stepfather and kept their father's last name. Of course, in one of these cases, that was no problem because the mother had divorced one brother and married another so all the kids had the same last name and were raised as siblings and didn't even know they had a half-brother until they were in their twenties. :-) I don't know if the era would have any relevance on the handling of the situation, but just for the record, the 3 instances above were, in order, in the 1860's, 1900's and 1920's. If you are determined to find out what happened to Margaret's children, there is probably no sure way to do it other than to track all family members who were in a position to take them and see if the children were there during the applicable years. I don't mean to be morbid, but I just recalled what a cousin had told me about a branch of her family (a distant branch only related by marriage to my family). She had a death certificate on a spouse and a re-marriage and couldn't find the children of the first marriage. After several years, she was finally able to find the deaths of all 3 children. Apparently there was some sort of plague that went through the community and she lost everybody in the space of several months. So, I guess I'm saying keep an open mind and check out all the possibilities if you want to find the children. Perhaps someone here will have some advice that is more specific and helpful for you. --Tara "Pat. Wary" <amusic@epix.net> wrote in message news:3CADB673.BF141AEB@epix.net... > My gg grandfather John Connolly married my gg grandmother Margaret > Brennan Kiernan. Both were Irish immigrants to America around 1850, the > approximate date of their marriage. Both had been married before, in > America, and I believe both had children from their first marriages. It > suddenly occurred to me that I don't know what happened to the children > of Margaret's first marriage (if there were any)! > So the question is this: does anyone know what happens to the mother's > children in a case like this? Are they taken on by the family of their > deceased father(I'm sure that happens in some societies, and I think I > remember reading somewhere that in the case of divorce, the husband got > the kids in the 1800's)? Are they raised by the mother and stepfather, > and keep their original last names? Or do they automatically change > their last names to that of the second husband? And is this done > officially, or just as a matter of course? > I just hope I don't have to reexamine and possibly rearrange my family > groupings, an annoying prospect. > Thanks in advance, > -Pat.

Okay, it's the world's second oldest genealogy site. I stand corrected and in the interest of intellectual honesty, here are the details, helpfully supplied by a fellow librarian: > A posting was made in the Usenet newsgroup soc.roots on December > 8, 1993, by Stephen A. Wood, announcing the availability of > his site, > http://wood.cebaf.gov/~saw/genealogy.html > Yes, it still exists, although the current address of his "Genealogy > Home Page" is http://www.genhomepage.com > A 1997 New York Times article identified it as the first genealogy web > site. Here's a link to the article: > http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/030997genealogy.html If nothing else that means there are now two of us who can challenge Rootweb's claim to being the oldest genealogy site. And I'm still proud that Buffalo was on the cutting edge way back in 1993. -C. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Roots Webmaster wrote: > The world's oldest genealogy site is not what you think. Read on. > > Forgive the sound of a self-tooting horn, but I gotta take a > moment to proudly announce that as of today, my website "Roots: > The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum," has officially passed the 100,000 > visitor mark. (I know, the venerable Cyndi's List gets that many hits > every 20 minutes or so, but still...) > > Roots was launched in December 1993, making it very likely that Buffalo, > New York, has the first and oldest genealogy website in the world.* > I inherited Roots in late 1995 from its founder, who had lost interest in > it, but I didn't install a counter until late 1997. So I have no idea how > much traffic it got in its first four years. > > ----> To have a look, see: > ----> http://www.bfn.org/~roots > > Thanks go to Buffalo Freenet, a pioneering community information network, > for hosting Roots free of charge for nine years. Buffalo Freenet, a > largely volunteer-run outfit, continues to make free webspace available > for nonprofit organizations in Western New York State. To learn more, > visit http://www.bfn.org. > > *Note: As many of you know, Rootsweb bills itself as the world's oldest > genealogy site, but it did not go online with a homepage until early 1994, > according to my correspondence with one of its founders. Prior to 1994, > it existed only as a mailing list. You be the judge. > > -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- > Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org > Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots > With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links > > > -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links

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